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11-19-2009, 12:04 AM
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California enforcing TV-set efficiency laws
story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
I've heard those plasmas can be quite wasteful. 
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11-19-2009, 04:58 AM
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I wonder how a 60's color set woudl be treated, I don't know what a modern big TV pulls wattage but a mid 60's color has to be in the 350-450 watt range.
I know it only on new tv's but sooner or later... I can hear the govenator now "No plasma tv's in the 300 watt range" as he walks into a TV store and is talking to the guy behnd the counter (in my best terminator voice).
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11-19-2009, 06:39 AM
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This is more pointless legislation. Around by me you hardly see any tv that is a plasma for sale. they are all lcd. As soon as prices come down everyone is going to go with LED anyways.
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11-19-2009, 07:03 AM
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FYI: I see CT-100 caretaler Dave Arnold is quoted in the article:
"It could drive up costs," said Dave Arland, who represents the plasma television industry. "The ones that are super energy efficient are the ones that are more pricey." Dave attended the 2008 ETF convention. Pete
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11-19-2009, 08:16 AM
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11-19-2009, 09:32 AM
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Just a friendly reminder to keep Politics out of this or it will get locked.
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11-19-2009, 10:50 AM
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As Eric says..... I'll keep this factual and leave my opinion out of it.
I sure hope that if they pass a buyback, or something to take high-wattage TVs out of homes, that they will put a year model limit on it, or specify plasma only. As far as I know, it's aimed at plasma sets which act as electric furnaces in cold weather. In the cash for clunkers, they put a limit of 15 or 20 years, so thank Goodness, no rare collector cars, and no Diesel cars got crushed. I'd cry if they put out a $500 bounty to smash CTC-5s, or 350-watt RCA B&W projection sets from the 40s. Right now, I'm told it's only a ban on new sales. Nothing said about a buyback or any laws about possession or usage of currently in-service sets. Charles
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11-19-2009, 11:39 AM
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I'm sure it only applies to new sales. It probably won't be much of an issue since efficient sets are becoming the norm.
With Laser and OLED just around the corner Plasma will probably be obsolete soon anyway. Glad I got mine when I did though, even if it uses 600 watts (at most) it's only on a few hours in the evening anyway, a drop in the bucket compared to using the A/C when it's 105 outside.
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11-19-2009, 01:03 PM
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And this is over what a standard 23" tube tv uses..
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11-19-2009, 01:39 PM
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Some interesting reading on the subject.
http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-power-efficiency/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10...in;contentBody http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/t...?tag=mncol;txt http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/t...tBody;nextPage One other thing, maybe I'm the exception but when I have the TV on every light in the house is off, the A/C is off when possible and the house fan is on for cooling, offsetting at least some of the energy use. I almost never go the the Movie Theater anymore so I'm also saving Gas. 
Last edited by Eric H; 11-19-2009 at 01:43 PM.
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11-19-2009, 02:30 PM
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Well, it can indeed be scary when the man steps in but this could be a good thing. I never cared for plasmas anyways, and others have noted, LED will likely be the next wave once the prices come down. As far as new tv's around here, well yeah they've mostly all been LCD sets.
My main set is over 25 years old and uses roughly 150w for a 19inch color crt screen. Compare that to my hifi which uses almost 900w as a whole at maximum output.
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11-19-2009, 03:19 PM
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Think of it this way -- the larger sets are an inadvertant fire hazard. If the TV alone pulls 600 watts, the home theater receiver as much as 200, plus the other assorted components (DVD player, satellite/cable box) for another 200. You're looking at 10 amps or more.
How are they plugged in? 9 times out of 10, the "average" consumer uses a well-populated power strip which could easily overload if it's one of those Chinese Walmart specials that sell for less that $5. In my experience, the usage of circuit breakers on power strips appears to be waning significantly, and all but absent on the lower end of the price scale. Thus the safety issue. California is burdoned with the gargantuan regulatory environment regarding the building of new power plants. That and the NIMBY's who won't let one be build lest it offend them as they drive down the freeway in a traffic jam and see it. The easiest thing for them to do as a state is to encourage conservation, aiming at the biggest power hogs in the house one at a time. They've already got efficiency requirements for ACs and furnaces. What's left?
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11-20-2009, 10:40 AM
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Electricity in our area, if in tier 2, is 41c/KwH. So to run your set for 10 hours costs $2.46 (10 hours @ 600w @ .41c/KwH x 6). So if it were a typical family, and the set is on 10 hours/day all month: $76.26 per month (30-day month). Now figuring in Tier 3 penalties, if you run into them, double or triple that! (nobody uses tier 1, since that's only about enough power to run a desk lamp and a dorm-size fridge). We're always a few KwH into tier 3, no matter how careful. Charles
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11-20-2009, 11:28 AM
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While I am not a fan of any entity dictating to anyone what kind of tv you may purchase....I am not that upset about kicking the industry in gear to tone down the power consumption of these new tvs...including LCD's.
Yes, the legislation includes LCD sets. According to what I read, it is mainly going after LCD and Plasma sets as crt sets are pretty much dead to the world...popularly. I purchased two Sharp LCD sets, one a 32" and one a 46" and I was absolutely amazed to find out they draw 280 and 350 watts respectively. HOLY COW!!!!! My 42 year old RCA Combo with the CTC-21 chassie only uses 325 watts (350 w/remote). I felt "Are you kidding me!" It is ridiculous in this day and age that a tv should pull so much. My 36" JVC CRT set only pulls 180 watts by comparison. And for Plasma sets to pull 600 + watts....there is really no excuse for that.....I mean really...6 amps? Most washing machines and vacuum cleaners don't pull more than that. sheesh  LCD sets can run off of AA batteries, why should the tv's be so power hungry? IMHO Just laziness in the design department. There is really no reason for that kind of power consumption....and no wonder the caps crap out....that is a lot of juice for those little, cheap caps to deal with. Tone down power consumption and reliability will probably be boosted. Roy
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