Best 25" tube chassis color rectangular set of all time?

[freakaftr8]

Originally Posted by consoleguy67

You say that Magnavox sets had muddy pictures? I had a 1964 roundie set that was outstanding. My parents had a 19" table model that had one of the clearest, and accurate color pictures. The biggest problem with Magnavox was that after Phillips bought them, the reliability wasn't there anymore.

Right.. The age before the square 90deg CRT was an exception.. But somewhere areound the time that Magnavox introduced the first rectangular CRT with that dredded 23EGP22 CRT, (which I have one good in a box) the quality seemed to suffer a bit. But they did get better, there was just a few years it seemed between 1966 to 1970, and I have even seen some through 1974-5 that didnt ever look that great. This is just based on the 25v chassis. The tabletops seemed much better.

However you're right, the roundies did seem to produce a good picture thou.

Of course this is all based on what I have owned. 2 Magnavox with the 25v, one roundie (looked great), and one with the 23EGP22, (horrible, lack of focus and contrast).. But that could have just been the Motorola CRT. Never got a good reputation.

[Electronic M]

Pretty sure Motorola developed the 23EGP22...

[trinescope]

Motorola and a CRT builder by the name of National Video in Chicago. My TS-918 has a Motorola-built CRT (21GVP22, EIA code 185), maybe from the former National Video plant? Who used the 23EGP22 besides Motorola? I know Admiral did, but haven't seen any other brand with that one.

I had one late 60s Magnavox (25XP22) and it seemed just short of an RCA for picture quality; it was decent. Zenith was good, but had its own "house signature" to the picture that was different from the RCAs of the same time.The Magnavox was more like an RCA.

[freakaftr8]

Magnavox produced a TV with the Motorola 23EGP22 for a very short time period. I had one.. It was a U9109BB build date 8/1966.

That one was a doozy to get figured out..

[dieseljeep]

Originally Posted by Electronic M

Pretty sure Motorola developed the 23EGP22...

They did, way back in 1963. They also developed the pin cushion correction circuit. That was one of the biggest problems when trying to develop the rectangular color CRT.
Every ones citing who made the worst CRT. Admiral is up there with some of the worst. That's the reason that they were the first to offer a three year warrantee. The lucky owners were the ones that the CRT failed before the end of the three year period.
Another runner-up was the Zenith 22UP22. They were poor as well.

[trinescope]

Originally Posted by dieseljeep

They did, way back in 1963. They also developed the pin cushion correction circuit. That was one of the biggest problems when trying to develop the rectangular color CRT.
Every ones citing who made the worst CRT. Admiral is up there with some of the worst. That's the reason that they were the first to offer a three year warrantee. The lucky owners were the ones that the CRT failed before the end of the three year period.
Another runner-up was the Zenith 22UP22. They were poor as well.

What was It about these that made them so bad? Was it short life, quality problems, or just poor picture quality? The only 23EGP22 I had was dim and already had a booster installed, and that was in a Motorola TS-918. I have another TS-918 now and it runs just as bright as anything else from that time so I know it's not the electronics. 22UP22? Zenith made something bad given their normal reputation for quality? Sounds like a CRT type used in a low end tabletop set like one I have now, except it has a Zenith/Rauland 21GNP22 (that appears original and the tube placement label calls for 22QP22).

[damen]

Have seen the 23EGP22 used in Admiral, Magnavox, Motorola, Muntz, Olympic, and Westinghouse, not sure about Philco, Sears or GE.

[17thielc]

I'd have to say the best all around set I've found
from that era considering picture quality/ chassis and components has to be the Wells Garnder sets. The picture is always razer sharp, with proper colors using a 25AP22 Hi lite picture tube (some used zenith picture tubes 69-73) and a superior build quality chassis to that of most anything I've seen (so far). They even used a silicon flyback, my daily's fly looks new and the set is medium hour. I've had Penncrest, AMC, and before the cabinet crumbled a Bradford branded Wells Gardner, all powered up with little to no problem.
I'd put my Setchell Carlson rectangular (U807 chassis) as either a tie or a close 2nd, same picture quality and a remarkable chassis. They were first in modular chassis construction, and only modular hand wired. Tuner is solid state, in 1966!
Other than that I've liked my Packard bells of that era, all are fairly similar... not rca knockoffs btw, circuit might be similar but aren't they all to an extent...