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Old 11-10-2013, 06:47 AM
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Well, your diagnosis was spot on!
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Old 07-01-2014, 05:37 PM
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It was the yoke. Replacement came in from Moyer, and I installed it right away. I'll have to dial in the rest of the picture adjustments tomorrow when I can get a flat bladed screwdriver that's thin and about 8 feet long to reach the linearity and height controls on the chassis

But tonight, gentlmen, I get to watch TELEVISION!
Boy your not kidding! I gess the high voltage here is whats causing it to be so tall now, being so close to the substation our outlet reads 137v.

But the height it too tall now and the picture has a hourglass shape to it now.
Other then that I watched a 2 hour movie on it when I first got it home and its very watchable. and steady.

I noted the million foot long screwdriver was needed to get at the height.

Any idea how set the picture? I don't want to mess up your good work.


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Old 07-02-2014, 05:56 AM
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Honestly I don't remember where the height control of the set even is. I set it up on an indian head test pattern after I got the yoke done, and it looked pretty good.

If the height control needs a super long screwdriver, you may need to pick one up or borrow one, I'm assuming that the control can't be reached safely otherwise. But I'm guessing that you need to dial the vertical linearity back in slightly, as the stretching appears to be at the top. I'd go with that first. Linearity, then height. A couple screwdriver turns will bring that in.

With screwdriver pots, you're not going to really mess anything up. Just turn the pot slowly and note the change on the screen. I've found the most effective way of doing it is with a mirror in front of the set, so you can see what you're actually doing.

Post a picture of an actual image on the screen, as in a screen shot. From your crosshatch shot, it really doesn't look bad. Most of what you're seeing probably won't even appear on normal programming. Crosshatch is mostly used for color TV convergence. The question is, how does the picture look?
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Old 07-02-2014, 02:53 PM
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For extra long screwdriver make it out of a knitting needle.
Xlite used to make a foot long that worked great on Zeniths.
Also made 2 foot 1/4 inch & the next size ( yellow handle)
with magnets & a 2 foot phillips for the Jap sets. Watch for them
on TV shop clean outs.
I still have them but you will have to pull them out of my cold dead
hands..........

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Old 07-02-2014, 03:26 PM
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One thing I have done in a pinch, is to slip some nylon tubing similar to aquarium hose over the shafts of the controls, leaving it long enough to reach the back of the set and twist that. Then it can be as long as it needs to be and you don't need to constantly line up screwdrivers. Make sure you wait for the TV to be really warm (on for greater than half an hour) before attempting this adjustment or you will be doing it over and over again. Also, if your line voltage is really 137V, there is a problem with your wiring (probably a loose neutral), and you should get that fixed right away. 137V is way too high. If you actually meant 127V, then I guess it's within tolerance but still not so good.
Some TV sets have multiple taps on the power transformer for high and low line voltage - if yours is so equipped make sure it's set to the 125V tap.
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:06 PM
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If your voltage really is 137! A complaint to your power company is in order. The pole transformers have multiple taps to adjust the viltage, usually.
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Old 07-02-2014, 07:25 PM
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All the controls are on the front so its very easy to look at the screen,
Also the voltage checked again, It is now 131 But at night its 137. And around 2pm it hits 124.

I gust got a new screwdriver i'm gonna watch some honeymooners before i adjust the leanarty.
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:02 PM
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137 volts is totally unacceptable - try a second meter to make sure it's true and it isn't just your meter reading high. That's enough voltage to shorten the life of everything electrical in your house not to mention jack up the power bill. The relationship between voltage and expected life of things like tubes is not linear, you will get a much shorter life with such an out of spec voltage.
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:28 PM
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Ok my old meter only goes to 130vAC
And it is pegged.

And the cheepy multimeter with the leads stuck right into the outlet says 133
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:32 PM
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137 volts is totally unacceptable - try a second meter to make sure it's true and it isn't just your meter reading high. That's enough voltage to shorten the life of everything electrical in your house not to mention jack up the power bill. The relationship between voltage and expected life of things like tubes is not linear, you will get a much shorter life with such an out of spec voltage.
Absolutely true! While amperage goes up on a linear scale with voltage, Wattage and heat dissipation go up by the square of volts times amps.
I sure would not run that vintage set any more until the line voltage is within spec.
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:42 PM
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I was thinking about that, And went BACK to lowes and bought some things and made this thing,

Is this a good idea? it seams to not want to roll as much now.
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:53 PM
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That's not a good idea. Dimmer switches aren't mAde for AC loads. Let me draw you a circuit of what to make.
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:08 PM
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Use a bucking transformer, see attached images for the circuit. If you don't get the results you expect, swap the two secondary lead connections and it will work.
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:09 PM
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:11 PM
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Formula to calculate voltage. If you have a transformer with other than 12.6v secondary just substitute this in the equation.
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