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Old 10-26-2010, 12:08 PM
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Most are push-push for off-on. Some TVs that used the same configuration are rotate off-on. Depends on the year. Either will work fine. Getting the correct knobs to fit the shafts is most critical.

Your TV is a '59 model. It uses the reworked '58 "Seventeener II" portable chassis.

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Old 10-26-2010, 01:57 PM
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It's a push on-off switch. Whatever broke the knob may also have damaged the switch. You may be able to fix it if you get inside and look at the control itself.

(Oops, I didn't see the above post on the next page when I replied...)
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:31 PM
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I might pull the chassis in the next week or so to do a parts inventory. If I do, I'll investigate the on-off switch further. Then start looking for a new button.
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:58 PM
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watch out for frozen speaker wire bullet connectors at the audio transformer, dont try to hard to pull them out.
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Old 10-26-2010, 06:00 PM
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Most are push-push for off-on. Some TVs that used the same configuration are rotate off-on. Depends on the year. Either will work fine. Getting the correct knobs to fit the shafts is most critical.

Your TV is a '59 model. It uses the reworked '58 "Seventeener II" portable chassis.
Blech, you're right. Neither of the Sams folders I downloaded has the right tube list. Do you know if there was a Sams folder issued for this version of the Holiday? Is it better or worse than the 58 version?
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Old 10-27-2010, 11:14 AM
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Your TV is a '59 model. It uses the reworked '58 "Seventeener II" portable chassis.
Still haven't found any references to this second edition of the Holiday.
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:30 PM
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Unless I trip over an early RCA color model cheap, it ends here, too.
Ummmm, don't be too sure about that; it can become addictive!
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:34 PM
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Sam:

Better or worse is a judgement call. The ’58 Seventeener II portable version was prone to fire risk from routing the yoke wires around the filament dropping resistor, an underrated B+ shunt resistor, IRC sync diode and sound buzz.

The ’59 version fixed most of the bugs. A tube, 2EN5 or 9BR7, replaced the phase diode, improved IF can for sound, higher wattage resistors, etc.. It was then jammed into a tighter space so it runs hotter. The long CRT leads make for touchy sync if not dressed properly. The chassis was also used for the low end, conventional 21” models.

The ’60 version was a much better, all new design using a power transformer and improved tube line up. The ’58 series string chassis was dropped all together. (It may have been used for a few 1/2 year carry overs or motel specials, but certainly gone by Jan, 1960.)

I do not have Sams literature. I use Philco or Beitman’s, which is a copy of the Philco. I find Sams makes some errors when redrawing the schematics. Can you see a chassis and run number? It should be something like 9H35/9H38 and run number 121, 122 etc...

The tube line up should be the same for all ’59 versions. The only variables I remember are some tube numbers (locations and functions remained the same) and a optional UHF tube and CRT number. Any schematic for that chassis number should be OK. Late engineering modifications and service bulletins may show up in the TV since they were incorporated after the manuals were printed. Documentation may be in the batch of Service Bulletins that followed the product release.

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Old 10-27-2010, 01:54 PM
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Thanks for that info. Do you know where the Philco or Beitman's service information might be located?

From your description, I take it that this model used the reworked and less fire-prone version of the chassis?

Here's the tube list from the position chart inside the cabinet:
1G3
2AF4A
3BN6
3BZ6
4BL8
5AM8
5X8
6AW8A
6CG7
10DE7
12CA5
12DQ6A
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Old 10-27-2010, 05:05 PM
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Ummmm, don't be too sure about that; it can become addictive!
Boy hidee, ain't THAT th' truth ! (grin) One day, you'll be stumblin' around a Antique Emporium, an' one o' them Tres Cute l'il 8" PT-Somethin'-or-Others from '56 will look atcha & wanna go home w/you REAL bad...Or one of the Oriental marvel 1.5" Panasonics from the '80s...Or a Sony Watchman...Or a big ole fusty Zenith Roundie...Worser than me 'n' Guns...(grin)
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:49 PM
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Something is missing from the tube line up. The pictured TV does not have UHF so there will be no 2AF4. The list does not show a damper tube; 12AX4, 12DE4 or something. There are two 3BZ6s. There should be a sound IF, like a 3AU6 or 4BY8 and a sync tube like a 9BR7; about 14 in all without the 2AF4. A chassis number, recheck tube list or top down view would be helpful.

I believe Beitman's is on line somewhere. I have some Philco, but not all. You may find it in Riders TV.

Don

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Old 10-28-2010, 12:53 PM
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I'll double-check it. I was jotting notes off of the tube chart with a flashlight, I could well have missed something.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:43 AM
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This is worth a look, It has a speaker... the same seller also has a back listed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-PHILCO-P...item3f04628c85

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