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Radiotronman
02-13-2016, 08:09 PM
I decided to start work on my 1951 16" Philco round CRT set. It needs a new second anode wire about 18" long. Does anyone know where I can get a new one about 18" long. I have an old one but it's not long enough.

walterbeers
02-13-2016, 10:18 PM
As far as HV wire goes, there are several listings on e-bay, if you have the anode cap, you probably could solder the connector onto the wire. Here is a link to one that I bought for a TV that I was restoring.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-feet-HV-Tesla-Coil-Wire-40KV-Rated-High-Voltage-Cable-10KV-15KV-20KV-30KV-/141873832748?hash=item210856e32c:g:S~IAAOSwDlBTwuj W

Electronic M
02-13-2016, 11:38 PM
As far as HV wire goes, there are several listings on e-bay, if you have the anode cap, you probably could solder the connector onto the wire. Here is a link to one that I bought for a TV that I was restoring.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-feet-HV-Tesla-Coil-Wire-40KV-Rated-High-Voltage-Cable-10KV-15KV-20KV-30KV-/141873832748?hash=item210856e32c:g:S~IAAOSwDlBTwuj W

Why pay for HV wire when you can get good HV wire free from curb BPC CRT sets?

Eric H
02-14-2016, 12:33 AM
That set looks to be in amazing condition!

Radiotronman
02-14-2016, 07:37 AM
Thanks! Yeah Tom you're right, that's what I'll do!!

Olorin67
02-14-2016, 10:05 AM
Another source for high voltage wire are shops that make neon signs. Most cities have one at least.

bandersen
02-14-2016, 10:11 AM
I have a spare chassis from that exact model. If you need anything, please let me know.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/25023780365_6fd5e4dcc4_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/E8gq64)

Radiotronman
02-14-2016, 12:32 PM
Thanks Bandersen!

dave1138
02-15-2016, 11:43 AM
I found bulk spark plug wire with metal core works well and is rated for high voltage. I used it on a 51 Philco.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BWD0/MW11.oap?ck=Search_mw11_-1_1574&keyword=mw11

Phil Nelson
02-15-2016, 12:36 PM
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dave1138
02-15-2016, 05:48 PM
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BWD0/MW11.oap?ck=Search_mw11_-1_1574&keyword=mw11

David Roper
02-17-2016, 02:09 AM
Of some interest perhaps: I believe that is the the set that can best lay claim to the title of Happy Days TV set, the model that graced the Cunningham living room set during the show's peak years, occasionally having an image pasted in in closeup.

Radiotronman
02-17-2016, 07:51 AM
Very cool, that would be awesome to see a picture of that set on the show!

Crist Rigott
02-17-2016, 10:27 AM
What's the model number and chassis number is the TV?

Thanks.

bandersen
02-17-2016, 11:20 AM
I'm pretty sure is a Philco 51T-1607

jr_tech
02-17-2016, 01:10 PM
Link to brochure here:

http://www.tvhistory.tv/1951-Philco-Brochure.jpg

Sams Photofact #138, folder 7 lists 51T1601, 1602, 1607 and 1634....the 1601 is shown on the cover of the Sams and has a lighter colored front than shown in the brochure, so I am confused about the diferences between the 1601 and 1607.

The first "roundie" that I collected many years ago was a mahogany 1634, obtained when a college classmate had to move and give it up. Still works fine, with just a few tube replacements and a few new caps and resistors replaced on an "as needed" basis.

http://www.videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166623&d=1269455624
http://www.videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=165955&d=1262638552

Interesting that your '51 has the same " + " center knobs as my wife's early '53 childhood set, rather than the "plain" centers on my 1634m:
http://www.videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=168804&d=1291836085

jr

Radiotronman
02-17-2016, 05:21 PM
Yes, Bandersen is right about the model.

Radiotronman
02-17-2016, 05:24 PM
Well it's possible it doesn't have the right knobs on it. I'll look close at the pictures on the sams and see what it has on it.

bandersen
02-17-2016, 06:26 PM
Here's a photo of the knobs on mine before I parted the set out. They all have a center "+" but I think the colors are mismatched. I still have them. Let me know if you need any.

https://flic.kr/p/ehXi7L

Radiotronman
02-17-2016, 10:02 PM
Looking at your photo, it looks like I need your on/off volume knob. Mine doesn't have the crosses, just smooth.

Radiotronman
02-17-2016, 11:57 PM
Well I fired it up slowly on a variac to see if everything was functioning and absolutely no tubes lit up. So that's discouraging. At least my 16" crt tests pretty good! I'll place a cap order soon and get to work on it.

Radiotronman
02-18-2016, 10:20 AM
After spraying the on/off volume I finally got the set to turn on and all tubes lit up. Didn't get a raster but could hear the vertical running. Time to order caps. There is a little wax under the flyback, so I hope it's still intact.

kramden66
02-21-2016, 01:12 AM
I've seen this model with the plus in the center of the knobs and without and with clear knobs.... also the philco logo not raised but painted on..... there were variations durring production as well as the green around the screen instead of the brown wood look.

Radiotronman
02-21-2016, 07:56 AM
If I remember correctly, the logo was a blank coverup for a UHF tuner option. They must have made this set with many production runs. The face of mine has a faux red leather look. I've also seen it in a faux green leather too. The SAMs shows the earlier copper basket weave knobs, completely different.

Radiotronman
02-28-2016, 09:06 AM
After recapping this set I have faint video and a full raster. Sound is barely present also. Now to figure out my video issues,

Radiotronman
02-28-2016, 12:56 PM
Now I've lost audio all together, but all of my tubes are gone. Not sure what's happening but just a plain raster.

Radiotronman
02-28-2016, 01:07 PM
Even though the 6AQ5 video output tube tested good, it was not. I swapped it out and now I have video. The horizontal is not stable, so onto that.

ronl
02-29-2016, 07:02 AM
Yup-seen many times a tube tests good and did not work in operation. even new ones. back in the day, i used to stock a "tested in operation"" used tube set for troubleshooting(after they passed a tube tester.). saved me a LOt of time.
once in a while,i would retest them in a known working set on my bench and tube tester just to be sure.

its a good tip forum-everybody should do this with common tubes. horz output and damper was still a little ify if you where troubleshooting width problems though-not perfect but helped a lot.
RonL

Radiotronman
03-16-2016, 04:09 PM
After swapping many 12au7 sync tubes, I finally got the horizontal and vertical sync to lock and produce a great picture. I'm gonna put the knobs on and call this one finished!

Radiotronman
03-16-2016, 04:39 PM
Restoration complete! Very stable now.

John Marinello
03-16-2016, 07:40 PM
What's keeping that thing from sliding off the shelf?

dtvmcdonald
03-16-2016, 07:45 PM
I think he lives in Oregon, near that place where gravity is horizontal.

Radiotronman
03-16-2016, 07:47 PM
Yeah, my iphone loads them funny sometimes. I think I got picked on about this in another thread....