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Old 03-27-2012, 09:16 AM
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1951, 53, Admiral,Table Top, Wood

Hello, I'm looking for my family's first set. It was and Admiral with the pencil box door and the big knobs with the two brass inserts per knob as seen on most Admiral sets of that period. It was a table top set with a wood, not bakelite, cabinet. Don't know the CRT size.

tvhistory.tv shows that the first Admiral table top set was made in 53 but no picture available and I think in 53 the face of the set changed. I know there are some early Admiral devotees out there that can help me find my lost childhood set I'm pretty sure it was a 50, 51, of 52. 1950 is probably too early, 1953 I think is too late.

I found the swivel TV stand that it sat on at a second hand store in LA. A couple of before pictures attached, The two round plates hold a wood,ball bearing race, that was missing all but one bearing. I rebuilt that whole area and got some new ball bearing off of ebay, refinisned the wood. Now I just need the set.


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Old 03-27-2012, 10:23 AM
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Hello, I'm looking for my family's first set. It was and Admiral with the pencil box door and the big knobs with the two brass inserts per knob as seen on most Admiral sets of that period. It was a table top set with a wood, not bakelite, cabinet. Don't know the CRT size.

tvhistory.tv shows that the first Admiral table top set was made in 53 but no picture available and I think in 53 the face of the set changed. I know there are some early Admiral devotees out there that can help me find my lost childhood set I'm pretty sure it was a 50, 51, of 52. 1950 is probably too early, 1953 I think is too late.

I found the swivel TV stand that it sat on at a second hand store in LA. A couple of before pictures attached, The two round plates hold a wood,ball bearing race, that was missing all but one bearing. I rebuilt that whole area and got some new ball bearing off of ebay, refinisned the wood. Now I just need the set.


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The set you are refering to was probably a 1952 table model using a 20" CRT. I know Admiral made a 17" wood table model around that time. They're rather rare, because they were more expensive. Admiral made a lot of bakelite sets, as they were more affordable.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:40 PM
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I've been looking for two years and haven't seen one yet. My brother remembers it as being a new set in 54 but the knobs and other front items on the 54s don't match my memory of the set. It would be funny if someone came up with a date for the swivel table and that isolated the date of the set.

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Old 03-27-2012, 11:08 PM
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You can view many vintage Admiral advertisements here: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/sear...ral+television

They sure didn't make many wooden tabletops in the 50s.

This is the only one I found (upper left). I also found a better version here.
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:53 AM
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I've been looking for two years and haven't seen one yet. My brother remembers it as being a new set in 54 but the knobs and other front items on the 54s don't match my memory of the set. It would be funny if someone came up with a date for the swivel table and that isolated the date of the set.

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One of my uncles gave me a table simular to that one. Mine didn't have wheels on it. AFAIK, it was made during the 1951-53 time frame. It was a universal product, not made for any particular make of set.
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:48 AM
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Dieajeep, I believe you've got the date right on the table, It's held up pretty well over the years. I guess the styling was attractive enought that it survived.

Bod, Thanks for the link. I went through all the sets. For the table tops it seems that Admiral made bakelite sets almost exclusively. The one wood set that you posted doesn't fit my memory. Ours didn't have a radio in it. I'll pass the link over to my brother and see if he recognizes anything. Sometime my memory is fuzzy.

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Old 03-28-2012, 12:01 PM
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I looked over the ads again and I think this set comes closest to what I remember. The difference being that this set looks like a bakelite set and I'm almost positive ours was wood. I'm sure it wasn't a Double D or a curved top screen. The little table is 24X24 and I remember a bit of space between the edge of the table and the TV. I see in the ad a console set that looks like wood. Perhaps there was a wood version of that set in table top. I think we're getting close. I blew up the ad picture to read the text. I couldn't see any overall sizes there but I would guess it's under 24X24 and maybe even 23X23.

Bob you've got some good reseasch sites maybe you can find a little more on the 20" set.

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Old 03-28-2012, 01:05 PM
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I picked up this 21" set about 2 years ago. It's obviously a cousole but it looks alot like the table top I remember with the exception of the grill work. The seller shiped it from Buffalo NY. It was quite an ordeal but it got to CA in one piece. It's restored and it works great.

I noted the dimension of the cabinet for shipping they were; 36"X 22 1/4"X 25 3/4" deep. If that were a table top model that would fit on that little table too. I think the 25 3/4" deep dimension didn't inclued the CRT neck cover, just the cabinet. The Model # is 221DX15N.

The second picture is of a set I can't identify but the front looks exactly as I remember the grill work on my first set.. the medalion stuck up above the PBD, that should really help nail down the date.
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Old 03-28-2012, 04:29 PM
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Admiral 1952 19"

Here is mine FWIW. This is close to the one in your ad.
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This was found at a parking lot flea market for $2 in 1978.
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:25 PM
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Here is mine FWIW. This is close to the one in your ad.
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This was found at a parking lot flea market for $2 in 1978.
Dav I'd give you at least 4 dollars for that set. but it is a bakelite and I'm looking for a wood cabinet..

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Old 04-04-2012, 02:19 AM
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Thanks to the earlytelivision website I was able to narrow down my search. Admiral made very few wood cabinet tale top sets between 1948 and 1953 so that narrowed down the list.

Admiral only made a few wood table top sets without radios narrowing down the list even further. Some of the wood sets were 17" sets. I know my set was bigger than that.

That left a model from 1951, model 121K15,16,17, chassis 21M1, with a 20CP4A CRT and a model made in 1953, model 121DX16, 17, A,L. Chassis 19C1,F1,K1. Model 19C1 used a 20DP4A CRT and the F1,K1 used a 21WP4A and 21WZP4A CRT respectively. Both were listed as wood table top sets without radios. The front plastic trim on the 1951 and 1953 sets are pretty consistant with what I remember it looked like. The wood was mahogany.

If anyone has a picture of either of those two models or by chance has one of those models let me know.

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Old 04-04-2012, 06:02 PM
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Thanks Phil,

I just won a service manual for the Admiral 1952-1956 on ebay so I'll see if it can add anything to the search. Attached it the earlytelevision TV model and Chassis cross reference list from 1948 to 1953.

http://www.earlytelevision.org/image...Vs-1948-53.pdf
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Hey, it's the Twonkey set I should have thought of it sooner!

VK member jonboy55 picked one up back in 2009, but unfortunately all the pictures are gone http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=232058

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Old 04-04-2012, 09:51 PM
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That's funny! the legs look like real legs like one of those Chineese dragons with the two people inside..

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