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Electronic M · #46 11-11-2011, 08:04 PM

Yeah, if a gal ever tries to get my attention in that "creative" of a manner she will have and retain my attention indefinitly....That fellow is both dense, and lucky to have his girl that despret for attention and not have gotten dumped.

bandersen · #47 11-14-2011, 10:03 PM

The cabinet is pretty scratched up - especially on top. Bad enough that I decided to do some wet sanding.

I used some 400 on the worst areas, then worked through 600, 1000, 1500 and 2000 grits. That got all but the deepest scratches out.

Then I buffed it with some Novus #2. I still need to clean out grooves, but otherwise it's looking good I think.

I hope I can get the scratches out of the faceplate too.

kvflyer · #48 11-15-2011, 01:52 PM

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I hope I can get the scratches out of the faceplate too.

Bob,

I have two faceplates for my Admiral 26R12. Both have a few scratches. But when I look at them with bright light shining through, it appears that the clear plastic is not completely clear. Both have a little bit of a cloudy swirl in them. Mind you, not much but if you look carefully, it is there. It is not bad mind you and the plastic cleaned up nicely.

Would you mind scrutinizing yours as well and see if the clear plastic is what we may call, "Crystal Clear" please?

bandersen · #49 11-15-2011, 03:36 PM

It seems pretty clear to me. Also, here's the plastic in the 16R12 I've started working on. It's clear as well. Mind you I haven't cleaned it yet and it's quite dirty.

Here's the cabinet after some more buffing and Meguirs tech wax. Seems to me it made it more cloudy than shiny.
Other guys swear by Magnolia Glayzit so I'll give that a try although I've had bad results in the past.

kvflyer · #50 11-15-2011, 04:04 PM

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It seems pretty clear to me. Also, here's the plastic in the 16R12 I've started working on. It's clear as well. Mind you I haven't cleaned it yet and it's quite dirty.

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Bob,

Look through it in a bright light please. I think that yours looks similar to mine. Yes, both of our faceplates are the same. Mine kinda looks like it was cleaned but not very good. Something like it is smeared.

Ever clean the windshield on your car when it was sitting in the sun? No matter how hard you try, it comes out smeary. Maybe I am being over critical but just a question. Quite frankly, it is probably the way it is supposed to be! In the late 40s early 50s, plastic was still relatively new. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I really appreciate it.

Kevin Kuehn · #51 11-15-2011, 10:00 PM

I think the cabinet looks great. Of course once you sand it, it seems you never get the original depth of finish back. Then again it's better than looking at deep scratches.

Now I'm curious how you're going to clean out those grooves. I would not be looking forward to that step.

Phil Nelson · #52 11-15-2011, 10:15 PM

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Ever clean the windshield on your car when it was sitting in the sun? No matter how hard you try, it comes out smeary.

I have used Novus Plastic Polish #2 on all sorts of plastic screen covers and radio dial covers. Makes 'em nice and clear.

Phil Nelson

bandersen · #53 11-15-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Kuehn

I think the cabinet looks great. Of course once you sand it, it seems you never get the original depth of finish back. Then again it's better than looking at deep scratches.

Now I'm curious how you're going to clean out those grooves. I would not be looking forward to that step.

I've had pretty good luck with sanding brown bakelite, but this black stuff seems less forgiving.

Cleaning out those grooves isn't as bad as the honeycomb on a 19A11 cabinet. I can get most of it out by running a thumbnail wrapped in a thin rag. I get any remaining crud out with toothpicks.

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I have used Novus Plastic Polish #2 on all sorts of plastic screen covers and radio dial covers. Makes 'em nice and clear.

Phil Nelson

I've had good luck with Novus #2 on these old plastic screens too.

kvflyer · #54 11-16-2011, 09:37 AM

Bob,

It sure looks good. I am with you, have to cringe when you start working on Bakelite wondering if it will ultimately shine up. There was a "shiny" surface on the stuff when it was new. You hate to break the shine. But you hate scratches as well. I have a 26R12 with a very nice cabinet. But it has a large scratch on the top. I have been reluctant to work on the scratch. You have inspired me, Thanks!

Kevin Kuehn · #55 11-16-2011, 12:07 PM

Have not tried this, but I'm wondering if a few deep scratches could be filled in with several coats of clear or toned lacquer using a small brush. Then level with 600 and finer papers. At least the lacquer can be wiped off with lacquer thinner if it looks bad. I suppose an alkyd varnish would also work and require less build up.

bandersen · #56 11-16-2011, 12:56 PM

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Bob,

It sure looks good. I am with you, have to cringe when you start working on Bakelite wondering if it will ultimately shine up. There was a "shiny" surface on the stuff when it was new. You hate to break the shine. But you hate scratches as well. I have a 26R12 with a very nice cabinet. But it has a large scratch on the top. I have been reluctant to work on the scratch. You have inspired me, Thanks!

If it's just one or two scratches, I wouldn't advise sanding. I've only sanded sun blasted, scuffed, and very scratched cabinets.

My before photos on this cabinet really don't show the full extend of the scratches. There were dozens.

I was very hesitant to ever try it too, but I read numerous other restoration threads where others swore it works great.

Here are some example of others cabinets I've sanded. The first one I ever tried was this damaged and faded Motorola 9T1. I figured I didn't have anything to lose.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Kuehn

Have not tried this, but I'm wondering if a few deep scratches could be filled in with several coats of clear or toned lacquer using a small brush. Then level with 600 and finer papers. At least the lacquer can be wiped off with lacquer thinner if it looks bad. I suppose an alkyd varnish would also work and require less build up.

I've been wondering about that too. I've seen plenty of examples where cracks and voids were filled in with epoxy or super glue and sanded, but then primed and painted. Never read about attempts to retain the original bakelite look.

I guess I'll give it a go on this cabinet

Phil Nelson · #57 11-16-2011, 02:24 PM

Some people have tried mixing ground-up Bakelite with adhesive. Here's one discussion at ARF:

http://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/...p?f=7&t=168408

Regarding Glayzit, I bought some and tried it a couple of times. Not impressed.

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

bandersen · #58 11-16-2011, 03:55 PM

Interesting. Beyond me why he went to 2,000 grit and buffed out with Mothers Mag Wheel polish, just to spray primer on. I would think primer would stick to rough bakelite a lot better.

I agree about Glayzit. When I mentioned my poor results with it on ARF, several members rushed to defend it so I though I'd give it another try.

Here are the listed ingredients. Seems to me it's just mineral oil, wax and some propellants.

Heptane
Hydrotreated Light Petroleum
Water
Mineral Oil
Propane
N-butane

Nuke · #59 11-16-2011, 11:09 PM

I have both the brown and black cabinet for this tv. The brown one is scratched on top but is original to the chassis. I'm wondering which color would be more desired? I'm thinking the black knobs went on both colors?

bandersen · #60 11-16-2011, 11:47 PM

Cool! Do you have the chassis for both of them too ? I'd never seen the black model until I got mine a couple months ago. Yours is the 4th I've seen since then so now I'm not sure which is rarer.

Brown knobs go with the brown cabinet. They're much more common than the black knobs if you need some.