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Old 01-25-2015, 01:44 PM
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Then I need a HV probe!

I spotted a similar set in this abandonned house. There must be some service litterature for these somewhere!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbex-...-33723086@N02/
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Old 01-25-2015, 03:36 PM
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Then I need a HV probe!

I spotted a similar set in this abandonned house. There must be some service litterature for these somewhere!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbex-...-33723086@N02/
HV probe is a nice to have especially if you get more sets. We
always just shorted the HV out but it does come back, much
less each time. Wont kill you, I got nailed once a week for near
40 yrs.
Being a hybrid is a matter of opinion. To me a hybrid is solid
state except the audio out, hoz out, hoz osc, damper, vert out, &
HV rect. All the low level tubes like 6GH8's are gone. The classic
hybrid is the 4 tube Zenith. Hoz osc, hoz out, vert out & damper.
The abandoned house set looks like the CRT got necked, just
a parts set. I would guess the residents have seen the seedier
side of life, what a dump !

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Old 01-25-2015, 05:17 PM
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I didn't see the abandoned set myself, I just saw a picture on Flickr...
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Old 01-26-2015, 11:44 AM
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One thing you may want to try, is switching 6GH8's between different (6GH8) positions within the TV. First mark which one goes where, then try swapping them. This got my CTC38 which refused to synch going, until I could get my hands on some new tubes. Some functions ask more of the tubes than others do, so a weak one may be able to perform one function, while being unable to perform another.

The CTC-38 (and I presume 39) is indeed a hybrid, it contains lots of transistors (the whole IF section, half the VHF tuner, the UHF tuner, etc), as well as one IC.

I think one thing which would be prudent to do, is get your hands on a CRT tester, and check the condition of the CRT, if it checks out well, you have a green light to put some effort into this TV. I have a CTC-38 as my "daily driver", and although it isn't perfect (well, what in life is), it's a whole lot of fun to watch and has given me many hours of entertainment.

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Old 01-27-2015, 05:27 AM
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I found an ad from December 7th of 1972 featuring the model number of my TV CCC991.

It's strange, there was a 26" solid state model that was less expensive. I guess it depended of the style of cabinet. I would have expected a greater price difference between the tube and solid state models.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...5833%2C2474873

CCC991 by PhilR2, on Flickr

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Old 01-27-2015, 08:38 AM
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Price should be lower BUT yours has varactor tuning,
one of the first to have it. IIRC the price difference
between a Zenith 4 tube hybrid & a solid state with
the same features was $75-$100 USD back then.

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Old 01-28-2015, 07:47 AM
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Zeno, what's the best?... Hybrid or Solid state ?
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:56 AM
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Zeno, what's the best?... Hybrid or Solid state ?
I like the solid state better. Its more reliable & for me easier
to repair. A matter of what you like.
Your solid state Zenith is much the same as the 4 tube hybrid.
Zenith kept much of the electronics the same til a major chassis
change in 1979. If you could fix yours you can fix any of them.

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Old 01-28-2015, 08:43 AM
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I suppose Zeno. but i was talking about the difference and now i know i have a quality tv and that's why i will keep my Zenith...I suppose also that i'm going to make some adjustments after racapping my Zenith ....The transistors are easy to change because they are just plug'n'play.. thanks for the information about the difference.
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:18 PM
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I finally got the 5 6GH8 tubes and replaced them.

A bit better but it will need more work!

http://youtu.be/b9FPPa5_UFY
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Old 03-23-2015, 02:05 AM
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The TV is still at the repair shop but today I got a spare Flyback transformer for it. I hope it's the correct one for this model!

it looks like this replacement model wasn't coated with wax like the original. RCA copied the improved design from aftermarket manufacturers or they just sourced them? The box says "made in Mexico", see the pictures below.


Here's another ad I found:

The larger version can be viewed in this link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/337230...n/photostream/


1972-CCC991 by PhilR2, on Flickr

https://news.google.com/newspapers?i...g=4614,1799201
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Old 03-24-2015, 07:11 AM
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That looks like a great set. I have a CTC-40 that needs a flyback, where were you able to find the replacement for your set?
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Old 03-25-2015, 08:34 AM
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The TV is still at the repair shop but today I got a spare Flyback transformer for it. I hope it's the correct one for this model!

it looks like this replacement model wasn't coated with wax like the original. RCA copied the improved design from aftermarket manufacturers or they just sourced them? The box says "made in Mexico", see the pictures below.

The wax is inside the red silicone outer cover, and coats the outside of the "tire."

Looks like you got one of the last batch - RCA stopped production on the 113382, 113392, and 119834 in 1983 - your date code is 82244, late 1982 production. I worked at Cain Electronics in 83/84 and we offered both the RCA 119834 and the FLY312 for the 38/39 chassis. When RCA dropped the 119834 ( it still appears in my 1985 price guide at 71 dollars dealer net), Thordarson was close behind. Great find - they are rarer these days!

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you need some better video content, get some old show like robin hood or wizard of oz if you don't have a test pattern to use.

At the end of the video looks like agc issue.
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:32 AM
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I got the flyback on eBay for $18, which I think is a decent price for a part with a high failure rate like these!

Dave, you are right about the video content. I don't have many DVDs and I didn't have an antenna connection where the TV was located. My rabbit ears with a decoder didn't get a single channel!

The image wasn't stable for more than 1-2 minutes after playing with the AGC screw and the colors never got right. There were some noises I didn't like coming from the back of the TV near the HV cage.

Having no test equipment or experience with TV sets and very limited knowledge about electronics. I brought the set to a local TV repairman who still wants to touch these sets!
I don't think he did much to it since he got it but he seemed confident about fixing it with minimal parts and labor...
Back in the 1980s, my parents did buy a few things to him including their first sound system with a CD player (and I remember very well the day he delivered, installed and demonstrated it 28 years ago!). I remember I was amazed to see a flat panel TV on the wall of his store back in 1987. If I remember well, that wasn't sold here but was for the Japanese market. Now, he operates his business at home and I think he still does antenna installations.
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