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charliemcd · #1 02-08-2007, 11:49 PM

A little more about the remotes: The VTX-1000R came with the cool remote you saw in the picture in Charles's first post. The VTX-1100R had a totally different remote control, the RM-723 Remote Commander, but the controls were pretty much the same as the RM-705. The 723 does have an Enter key though. The RM-723 has the more typical shape for a remote, although it's a little skinnier than most. It's about 1 3/4" by 6 3/4" and has an all plastic case.

I'm an original owner of a KX-2501 monitor and VTX-1000R and my RM-705 is in good shape. I bought the VTX-1100R recently and the RM-723 that came with it is pretty worn on the case, so it's not a great example but here you go.

charliemcd · #2 02-08-2007, 11:50 PM

And may I add I just made my 100th post!

dr.ido · #3 02-09-2007, 11:27 AM

Okay... My RM-611 remote looks nothing like either of these remotes. I may have the wrong remote after all. I do have a several Sony TV remotes that look similar to the RM-723 so I'll try those.

The VTX-100EC is stereo. It has a built in A2 stereo decoder. I suspect it's a German model and it is marked Zweiton on the front panel. We used the same system in Australia, but I've never heard of it refered to a Zweiton until I looked it up.

I'll take some pics as soon as I get a chance.

axel · #4 02-14-2007, 12:48 PM

mirror from France:
I have a VTX-100F which looks almost like the "EC" mentioned by dr.ido (click one of the pop ups at the bottom of this page to see it: http://www.thevintageknob.org/VIDEO/...1/KX20PS1.html) but with some buttons missing behind the flap (the back is identical, though) - anybody knows how many versions were made ?

More important:
All my sources are Y/C but I managed to dig a serious Y/C to RGB converter - but how does one use the RGB input at the back of the KX-20PS1 (or any of the other... versions) ? Is that strange plug the only way to get RGB into these monitors?

dr.ido · #5 02-14-2007, 11:50 PM

The KX-20PS1 (at least all the ones that I have seen here in Australia, the French model may be different) has a 34 pin "multi" connector and a SCART connector. I think there is an RGB input on the "multi" connector, but I don't have the pinout. There is an RGB input on the SCART connector, but the pinout differs from the SCART "standard". From memory, the KX-20PS1 expects sync on pin 16, but most SCART TVs and cables have sync on pin 20. I haven't seen one of these monitors in ages so I could have it wrong.

axel · #6 02-15-2007, 03:40 AM

Thanks dr.ido - I'll try to have my tech mod the scart plug of my converter.

It seemed silly indeed to have RGB only on the proprietary plug (although I have seen much sillier from Sony ;-)

ChrisW6ATV · #7 02-16-2007, 09:37 PM

My first post here on AK...

It is interesting to see the Profeel equipment as "collectors' items". I owned the KX-1901, KX-2501, VTX-1000, VTX-1100, and the stereo adapter (MLV-1100) at various times in the 80's and early 90's. In addition to the color processor, Sony also made an analog satellite-TV receiver that looked like the VTX-1000/1100.

At their time, those displays and tuners were the best on the consumer market.

ChrisW6ATV · #8 02-19-2007, 02:58 AM

The satellite receiver was the FSR-2000. There was one on Ebay recently; it does not match the Profeel tuners as much as I thought it did.

dr.ido · #9 02-25-2007, 09:36 PM

Here's the KX-20PS1 I picked up off the to be dumped pile on the weekend. My VTX-100EC tuner is on top. As usual it did not come with speakers.

It appears to be the French model. It has a auto/SECAM switch where all the others I've seen here have an auto/NTSC443 switch.

The labels on the back are in both English and French.

Unfortunately this one is sick. I can only get a grey raster with some noise in regardless of what source is connected to the composite input. I can get a color picture when I connect an RGB source to the SCART input, but it won't lock onto horizontal or vertical sync.

axel · #10 02-26-2007, 01:48 AM

dr.ido,

we have the same set ;-) mine has s/n 500250.

my tech told me some sets had RGB available only with the "multi-input" while later versions had it as well with the PERI-TV but that it is easy to rewire the latter for RGB...
composite works fine here, peritel as well (in composite) - how is the image of yours ?

dr.ido · #11 02-26-2007, 04:01 AM

I can't get an image with composite video with either the BNC input or the peritel input, just a grey raster with some noise in it.

I can get something approaching an image (well some color at least) with an RGB source connected to the peritel input, but it won't sync up. I tried swapping pin 16 and 20 on the connector, but that didn't help so I must have remembered it wrong. I may be able to get the schematic, so I'll go from there.

From what I've been able to get so far I think my CRT is a bit tired, but it should still be watchable if I can fix the composite/sync problems.

axel · #12 02-26-2007, 11:16 AM

dr.ido,

do you know if there is a way to use the "multi input" plug... without the dedicated plug?

dr.ido · #13 02-27-2007, 02:00 AM

It is obviously possible to connect an RGB source to the multi input. I should be able to work something out if I can get the schematic.

There appears to be some relevant information on these monitors in the EURAS database, but without subscribing I can't tell if they have the information we need.

Another site claims to have the schematic available for download, but most of the page is not in english (polish) and they want credit card payment through a service that I have never heard of (allpay?). Without more information I just don't trust them. I have sent them an email, but so far I haven't recevied a reply.

HwB have a pinout for the Sony multi input, but it is from a different model (KV25XBR) so I don't know if it is the same. If it is the same you will need to build a sync seperator as the multi input cannot accept composite video as sync (most SCART devices use composite video as sync). Also, pin 33 on this connector is marked as RGB/NORMAL select, but it doesn't say how to select.

ChrisW6ATV · #14 02-27-2007, 02:57 PM

The RGB/normal is selected by either applying 5VDC or nothing to that pin. Another pin on the connector will supply the 5 volts. This selection would replace the front-panel selection. It was used to allow external computer equipment to remotely switch from composite video to computer-generated graphics. Another option on some of these monitors allows graphics overlaid on the video, but it only works if both signals are from the same device/computer.

andy · #15 02-27-2007, 04:09 PM

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