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Pete Deksnis · #1 05-20-2006, 11:21 PM

Thanks to Dave Sica who picked up the Admiral and handed it to me today at the Sarnoff Library in Princeton. Sure enough, it has that magic 1951 'color' connector on the rear.

Questions: Did they use a dual CBS-color/NTSC flyback? Was the connector there to add a color wheel? Was it there to convert an NTSC b&w set to display CBS color in b&w?

Here's what I found in this page just added to my site.

http://home.att.net/~pldexnis/potpou...e_Admiral.html

Steve K · #2 05-20-2006, 11:43 PM

Pete:

I can not answer your questions about the color adaptor to your set but I attached a scan from an Admiral brochure explaining the addition of color to their line of 1951 (I believe) sets. I have a 51 motorola with a color socket but at least that one is hooked up on the inside! I think it has a connection to the video, vertical sync pulse and b+.

Steve

Charlie · #3 05-21-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Deksnis

Here's what I found in this page just added to my site.

Interesting reading... I bet your findings were a MAJOR disappointment!

Cory · #4 05-04-2006, 10:53 PM

I've heard first-hand stories about all the sales gimmicks used back in the day, and these "features" were well hyped. "Oh sure Mr. So and So, step up to this set here, in a year or two when color is popular you'll be glad you bought a color-ready set."

I've also heard stories that some folks thought their picture would suddenly be in living color with the addition of an external adapter plugged right in the back. Some sets didn't even have any connections to that rear jack. Others have a plug with a jumper that completes the B+ to the set.

Reminds me of the Phonevision jack on the back of one of my Zeniths:
http://www.chicagotelevision.com/pay.htm

old_tv_nut · #5 05-07-2006, 09:39 PM

see
http://www.earlytelevision.org/cbs_color_converter.html

and
http://www.earlytelevision.org/crosley_converter.html
plus much more on CBS color on the ETF site

Charlie · #6 05-08-2006, 02:32 PM

A few years ago, there was a small thread talking about seeing color on black and white screens... just for a moment. I had remembered seeing a color star on a set from when I was a kid.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5388

cbenham · #7 05-23-2006, 11:45 PM

The perceived color over B&W TV was an invention of James Butterfield. There is an article about it in the October, 1968, issue of Popular Electronics. I remember seeing
a B&W commercial with the 7 UP logo flashing in color at the end for several seconds.

I was working as a cameraman at a local TV station at the time and Engineering would warn the receptionist every time the spot was going to play because the phones would ring off the hook for 10 minutes from people calling to find out why they were seeing color on their B&W sets!
Cliff

Keefla · #8 05-24-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cbenham

The perceived color over B&W TV was an invention of James Butterfield. There is an article about it in the October, 1968, issue of Popular Electronics. I remember seeing
a B&W commercial with the 7 UP logo flashing in color at the end for several seconds.

I was working as a cameraman at a local TV station at the time and Engineering would warn the receptionist every time the spot was going to play because the phones would ring off the hook for 10 minutes from people calling to find out why they were seeing color on their B&W sets!
Cliff

How would that work? Im very intrigued right now.

Steve K · #9 05-24-2006, 11:17 PM

Keefla:

It is called subjective color. It is psychological phenomenon that is typically demonstrated by spinning a white disk with black concentric circles printed on it. When viewing the spinning disk one typically perceives various colors. It is not really understood how it works. One theory is that by triggering the cones in the retina at a certain rate it fools the brain into perceiving color.

Steve

andy · #10 05-21-2006, 06:43 PM

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***Eric H*** · #11 05-21-2006, 07:00 PM

Pete look at it this way, you have something even more rare than a color compatible set, you've got an Admiral with the plastic control door still intact!

polaraman · #12 05-21-2006, 07:34 PM

Pete,

What is the model/chassis number for the Admiral? The SAMS might have some clues as to how to hook up the color adapter. The SAMS for my 1951 Stromburg-Carlson (chassis 119M5A) has the connections drawn up for a color wheel/adapter.

polaraman

wa2ise · #13 05-21-2006, 07:55 PM

Today that set could be converted to color very easily. You know the drill: Remove old chassis. Throw it out. Go to WalMart and buy some POS made in China with the same sized screen. Hack install it in the old cabinet. Hot melt glue the old knobs crudely to fake it. .... ...

Of course if you wanted this set to last, you'd restore the old chassis. It would last about ten times longer than the Chinese color TV chassis....

Pete Deksnis · #14 05-21-2006, 08:04 PM

The model is 17K12 and there's an 'N' stamped near the model. Am not home so don't now know the chassis number.

Pete Deksnis · #15 05-21-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wa2ise

Of course if you wanted this set to last, you'd restore the old chassis. It would last about ten times longer than the Chinese color TV chassis....

55 years old and all it needed were a few adjustments and contact cleaner to get a decent picture. Beautiful copper chassis.

Anyone hear of this? The internal speaker was disconnected. A 'SPKR' outlet on the rear chassis was clearly used as it was still shiny. Maybe a table model TV that slips into a console?