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Arkay · #46 12-18-2008, 10:10 AM

Years ago, the phrase "con artist" was coined, as a variant form of "confidence man". This was someone who would cheat you out of your money, by first gaining your confidence.

These days, "con artist" has a second meaning: a "contemporary artist", someone who produces modern/contemporary stuff that passes for "art".

The nice thing is that you don't have to worry about which meaning is intended: contemporary artists --the people who produce "modern art"-- ARE con artists, most of the time!

If this "work" had a prestigious name attached to it and were in a famous gallery, you could add another zero on to that price, and someone would be delighted to pay it, and brag about it.

The challenge for these guys --aside from being devoid of conscience-- is to become famous and/or well-connected enough to get the high prices. It has little at all to do with the quality of what they produce for sale, 90 percent of the time. This guy might get the price, and become the next "discovery" of some dealer. ALL it would take is for some wealthy collector or famous dealer to decide to make it so. I admire the seller for trying to make it happen, for having the chutzpah to ask for that kind of price. It is no more nor less ridiculous than what is in a lot of galleries.

This corruption of the world of art has been true for nearly a half-century. Today's sellers like to portray the development of "art" as a continuous process of progress, but that is pure B.S.

Prior to the modern era of the "art industry" and "modern" art, one had to actually have some talent and produce something that was at least passable art, to become rich and famous from it. No longer.

sampson159 · #47 12-18-2008, 10:19 AM

at least this artist got us all talking about it!i dont think there is any "bashing" going on.just that some of these personality types try to enrich your life with their "art"?
interesting piece and it got alot of attention.i think its rubbish,but what do i know?
much rather see that set restored and tuned to the history channel or pbs,etc.

similost · #48 12-18-2008, 10:27 AM

Nice Post Arkay.. And I agree with you a whole lot about what you said. In my eyes, I really see Andy Warhol as one of those con artists.. I never did think he had true talent, so much as he had a way of getting people to look at things different, then calling it art while getting the rich to follow him. He had a talent of working people. I am glad he backed The Velvet Underground though. It really brought them to the front.

As far as what I was saying about bashing the guy... OK, we don't have to like his art, or even understand him, or we can think he is out there for what he wants for this piece.. but to call the guy a moron, a fruit, and to send him nasty e-mails is attacking his character and isn't right. It is also against what this forum is about, and the rules against saying derogatory things about outsiders... Just saying... ya know... ?

Mister Tawny · #49 12-18-2008, 11:42 AM

Okay maybe it's just me, but I can see the "art" of the piece. Art whether it's a "TV transformed" or a pop art piece like a soup can by Warhol or a blown up Steve Canyon by Lichtenstien is in the eyes of the beholder. It is clever if you think about it. But $7900? IDK, ITHN!

But I didn't buy some Warhol stuff when I was in my 20's for $500 that's worth $500K today.

bgadow · #50 12-18-2008, 12:11 PM

Sure, I can see the art in it...but unless I am missing something, what he has done is so simple that any single one of us-even me!-could duplicate it. The price tag seems to be part of the "art". If there was regular common sense involved he would start it at 99 cents. Well, if I had a working CT-100 I'd start it at 99 cents! (well, a reserve would be involved!)

If this somehow works for him look for a thousand clones to flood the market, ASAP!

JohnVF · #51 12-18-2008, 12:16 PM

I consider myself "artsy fartsy" and even I think this (and much of what passes for art in the many galleries around my neighborhood) to be crap. And I think the person who made it knows this, too. In fact, even this ebay listing is probably part of what he/she considers to be the 'art'. "The selling of the emptiness on ebay is yet another, further, example of the emptiness of everything..that I never even met, in person, the buyer of the emptiness is perhaps the emptiest thing of all the emptiness".

*zenithfan1* · #52 12-18-2008, 01:33 PM

I agree Bryan. This could have been done by anyone with some tools and some house paint. It did NOT take any talent to do this. But, it has inspired quite a conversation. The stuff I did in high school art was at least art, i.e. etched glass and copper, oil painting, sculpture ect. You know, the stuff that takes talent to make look good. I told this guy I wouldn't pay 75 cents for his garbage and he wasted money and time to list it. He told me to piss off. I said at least my listings are selling and to take his piss off and "F" himself with it.

radiotvnut · #53 12-18-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zenithfan1

I agree Bryan. This could have been done by anyone with some tools and some house paint. It did NOT take any talent to do this. But, it has inspired quite a conversation. The stuff I did in high school art was at least art, i.e. etched glass and copper, oil painting, sculpture ect. You know, the stuff that takes talent to make look good. I told this guy I wouldn't pay 75 cents for his garbage and he wasted money and time to list it. He told me to piss off. I said at least my listings are selling and to take his piss off and "F" himself with it.

You told him the truth and the fact is that some people just don't want to hear the truth! I can't recall the times that I've tried to explain the facts of life to sellers and all I did was send them into a rage!
Speaking of rage, did you ever make that video of you destroying an LCD TV?

old_tv_nut · #54 12-18-2008, 01:49 PM

I think, as it is presented as art, it is open to the full range of either positive or negative criticism. Negative criticism should be read and considered, but it is not proper to tell the critic that he is "bashing" the artist when he is talking about his opinion of the art. Artists need to be strong, and take the pie in the face for their art if they really think it is worthy - or take the lesson that it isn't worthy and try to do something better.

That said, I think this is, as art, just very lame. In my opinion, the artist should scrap this project and try for something better. Your opinion may differ!

*zenithfan1* · #55 12-18-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by radiotvnut

You told him the truth and the fact is that some people just don't want to hear the truth! I can't recall the times that I've tried to explain the facts of life to sellers and all I did was send them into a rage!
Speaking of rage, did you ever make that video of you destroying an LCD TV?

No not yet, I do have the LCD though. I enjoy seeing it sit out in the snow. I promise to make it soon. I'll post a thread just for fun. And yes, the guy did not want to hear the truth. But it is just that, I made 200 bucks selling some junk from my basement in two three day listings! One thing was a 1984 JVC PC-70 "ghetto blaster" I sold it for more than I paid three years ago and it has a broken belt now!

Bstable · #56 12-18-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by similost

I'm sorry, but it really bothers me to see people bash an artist.. We may not agree with what they do, or what they charge for their "art", but at least they are trying to get people to open their eyes and minds to think.. Just like the music we listen to, which we do pay a lot for some times...

AK - All Audio, No Attitude - Because Music Matters

Personally, unless he was a super well known and famous artist, I wound't pay his price, but I do find his idea true art..

I am with you similost. I am in no way an "ARTSY FARTSY" kind of guy. He paid $5 to make a point. I have to agree with him. Yes not ALL of what is on TV is trash, but IMHO about 90%+ is

Reality shows? Give me a break. If you are entertained by that kind of program (and it is indeed your right) then all I can say is that you are very EASILY entertained. Even football pregame is so hyped up. "Well Jimmy...who do you think should be the starting quarterback for the......who cares what Jimmy thinks! He is not the coach so it really does not matter. It is totally mindless. How can we bend this insignificant matter into an hour, or day, or week of drama.

Now where is my PLAYSTATION 5...I just have to get to level 73 of "DEATHMARCH" if I am ever going to get some sleep.

Bstable · #57 12-18-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by zenithfan1

I agree Bryan. This could have been done by anyone with some tools and some house paint. It did NOT take any talent to do this. But, it has inspired quite a conversation. The stuff I did in high school art was at least art, i.e. etched glass and copper, oil painting, sculpture ect. You know, the stuff that takes talent to make look good. I told this guy I wouldn't pay 75 cents for his garbage and he wasted money and time to list it. He told me to piss off. I said at least my listings are selling and to take his piss off and "F" himself with it.

..and he deserved to be attacked because...........?

newhallone · #58 12-18-2008, 04:18 PM

I think if the artist can't stand getting ripped on they should pack it in. Did the Velvet Underground pack it in when the stuffed shirts called them freaks? Pffftt give me a break. A true artist would take it. As for this persons art.....it's a rip off. Been done before, maybe a little different but still a RE-RUN. As far as I'm concerned the artists fruitiness has nothing to do with their character. It was all in jest. No hate involved. People are overly sensitive in all the wrong ways these days. The people who scream for tolerance are the most intolerant of them all. It's my right under the constitution to make fun of whoever I want. As long as I am not crossing the bounds of slander, libel and hate. It's all good!

And apparently the according to the Artist his "ART" will not work after Feb. And judging by the comments by the majority here, since it's conception it never has.

*zenithfan1* · #59 12-18-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bstable

..and he deserved to be attacked because...........?

Wasn't attacking. I told him my personal belief and he got pissed. What, we can't have an opinion anymore? Screw this "politically correct" BS. If I feel a certain way, I will say it. I don't care who likes it or not.

Bstable · #60 12-18-2008, 06:14 PM

newhallone....No hate involved. People are overly sensitive in all the wrong ways these days. The people who scream for tolerance are the most intolerant of them all. It's my right under the constitution to make fun of whoever I want. As long as I am not crossing the bounds of slander, libel and hate. It's all good!

And YOU decide who, and what, and to what extent people should be sensitive. GIVE ME A BREAK. That part about the constitution is pure BS. (not knocking the constitution..just your perceived rights of it)

People like you mistake rudeness for strength, but all long as I say "It's all good" it is...... right?

As far as tolerance is concerned...you wrote that book also...I guess.
Grow up please.