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Dude is gonna be hot stay side, 105 today with the heat index...
anyhow I putzed with it started tapping wiggling wires etc.. and was able to get a prolonged futz, which is great since now I have something wrong that is not intermittant.
99% sure it was the osc tube, tapping it would send it off crazy. I pulled it and reseated, did not do an extened test but I think that was it.
I must have distrubed it just enough pulling the tuner (its in a console installed in a hard to get location.
I will pull again and do a proper cleaning of the pins and socked (the tuner is out now).
I guess this is a testiment to not doing a complete resto unless the set is a basket case. By just doing one thing at a time and seeing the results makes trouble shooting (at least for the novice) a lot easier.
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