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Chris K 05-23-2024 08:27 PM

10BP4 with a G1 Short
 
Filament is fine...a bit of cutoff and good emissions. No HK shorts but G1 reads shorted on my Sencore CR31A Super Mack. I tried the clear G1 shorts function with no change. Comments or suggestions???

Alex KL-1 05-24-2024 07:04 AM

If CRT is doomed, well, some risky tricks are ok then, since is "already lost"...

Try to charge small caps with ~ 100V (from 47nF up) to see if clean shorts. Or perhaps more µF with less voltage (some electros)?

Probably people here, having far more/longer field expertise than me, can suggest some less dangerous approach

Chris K 05-24-2024 08:03 AM

The Sencore has a welding function on the rejuvenate/restore side of the tester. I forget how many milliamps it hits it with but there's a bright, blue flash. What I didn't do was tap the CRT neck with the back of the screwdriver while hitting it with the blast. This is the first 10BP4 I've encountered with a serious issue. They have always served my restorations well. I wouldn't call them bulletproof but they are pretty rugged.

Electronic M 05-24-2024 11:24 AM

I would try the tube in a working TV set before trying something as risky as remove shorts. I had a 10BP4 like that and it worked fine in an actual TV with the short to the point I'd have never guessed if I had restored the TV without testing it.

When you have good emissions don't risk it until you have seen picture on screen to know you have an actual problem.

Chris K 05-24-2024 12:27 PM

Got it. Thanks Tom. I thought it was a bit weird everything else was fine on the tester. I think I'll reflow the pins first then try the Sencore again.

jr_tech 05-24-2024 12:58 PM

What do you measure with an ohmmeter between the G1 pin and the other pins? :scratch2:

jr

Yamamaya42 05-24-2024 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr_tech (Post 3257369)
What do you measure with an ohmmeter between the G1 pin and the other pins? :scratch2:

jr

That may be tricky, cause it may or may not change as it warms up / cools off, if it is indeed shorted, the measurement may change as the heater warms it up and things move ever so slightly.

Chris K 05-24-2024 03:16 PM

A quick stupid question, this tube is in an RCA 630T and has an electromagnetic ion trap. It’ll work like any other 10BP4 if I try it in another set and put a passive dual magnet trap on it correct?

jr_tech 05-24-2024 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamamaya42 (Post 3257371)
That may be tricky, cause it may or may not change as it warms up / cools off, if it is indeed shorted, the measurement may change as the heater warms it up and things move ever so slightly.

Indeed true... but a quick ohmmeter measurement may provide useful information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris K (Post 3257372)
A quick stupid question, this tube is in an RCA 630T and has an electromagnetic ion trap. It’ll work like any other 10BP4 if I try it in another set and put a passive dual magnet trap on it correct?

the type of trap shouldn’t matter.

jr

Chris K 05-24-2024 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr_tech (Post 3257369)
What do you measure with an ohmmeter between the G1 pin and the other pins? :scratch2:

jr


No continuity with any other pin

Chris K 05-24-2024 04:28 PM

Filament looks really, really strange.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/NHhzZz.jpg

Yamamaya42 05-24-2024 04:41 PM

Well. I'd do as EM suggested, try it in something known good, and it it acts weird, THEN PANIC! :D:yes:

jr_tech 05-24-2024 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris K (Post 3257376)
Filament looks really, really strange.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/NHhzZz.jpg

Possibly contacting the grid cup when warm? :scratch2:
Could you repeat the ohmmeter test with the heater warm?

jr

Chris K 05-24-2024 08:44 PM

Checked just after turning it off. No continuity from G1 to any of the other pins. I'll try it in a TV


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