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timmy 11-23-2017 06:25 AM

14rp4 substitute
 
Does anyone have an substitute book for crt tubes. I have a 14rp4a for an admiral and I would like the reading to be higher so I may be looking for a sub. Would a 14atp4 work or what would the differences be.

tom.j.fla 11-23-2017 07:36 AM

These are the CRTs that will sub with no mods needing to be done,14RP4,14NP4,14NP4A and 14SP4. All the best,Tom.J

kvflyer 11-23-2017 07:38 AM

The 16" version of the set, 26R12 I think, used the same series of tubes, 16RP4, 16TP4 if memory serves me. Try "Googling" those numbers and compare the tubes.

kvflyer 11-23-2017 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kvflyer (Post 3192454)
The 16" version of the set, 26R12 I think, used the same series of tubes, 16RP4, 16TP4 if memory serves me. Try "Googling" those numbers and compare the tubes.

Check the info above, it arrived whilst I was typing.

timmy 11-23-2017 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tom.j.fla (Post 3192453)
These are the CRTs that will sub with no mods needing to be done,14RP4,14NP4,14NP4A and 14SP4. All the best,Tom.J

Any chance a 14atp4 would work ?

tom.j.fla 11-23-2017 09:39 AM

Short answer NO, the 14ATP4 has no sub. Sorry, Tom.J

timmy 11-23-2017 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tom.j.fla (Post 3192458)
Short answer NO, the 14ATP4 has no sub. Sorry, Tom.J

Hmm, I wonder what is so different , it looks the same along with the gun.

dieseljeep 11-23-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by timmy (Post 3192459)
Hmm, I wonder what is so different , it looks the same along with the gun.

The difference is the the heater current and voltage. 8.4 volts@ 450ma.
These tubes were used in RCA's and Westinghouses with 450 heater string, 17DQ6, 17AX4 etc.
A 50 ohm 2 watt resistor in parallel with the 14at heater would work OK.

timmy 11-23-2017 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dieseljeep (Post 3192462)
The difference is the the heater current and voltage. 8.4 volts@ 450ma.
These tubes were used in RCA's and Westinghouses with 450 heater string, 17DQ6, 17AX4 etc.
A 50 ohm 2 watt resistor in parallel with the 14at heater would work OK.

The 14atp4 I wanted to use in place of the 14rp4 and I'm not sure what your saying with the resistor. Are you saying to put in the 17ax4 and 17dq6 in place of the 12dq6 and 12ax4 and then this raises the heater voltage and use a 50 ohm 2 watt resistor between the heater. I'm probably way off here thinking the 17, volt tubes would take more .im missing something on how to get more voltage for the crt . If the physical size is the same as the 14rp4 I could just use a separate heater transformer for the 14atp4 , that should work.

tom.j.fla 11-23-2017 01:22 PM

Timmy, dieseljeep is saying that the heater current of the 14ATP4 is different than the crt you have in your set. If you do what dj says you put the 50 ohm 2 to 3 watt resistor across the 14ATP4 heater only, that combo makes the current draw of the crt resistor pair 600 ma. to match the current draw of the rest of the tubes in the set. If I did the math right a 24 ohm 3 watt resistor will be just right for the crt shunt resistor. Tom.J

timmy 11-23-2017 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tom.j.fla (Post 3192472)
Timmy, dieseljeep is saying that the heater current of the 14ATP4 is different than the crt you have in your set. If you do what dj says you put the 50 ohm 2 to 3 watt resistor across the 14ATP4 heater only, that combo makes the current draw of the crt resistor pair 600 ma. to match the current draw of the rest of the tubes in the set. If I did the math right a 24 ohm 3 watt resistor will be just right for the crt shunt resistor. Tom.J

So what is being said is I would be able to use the 14atp4 provided I put the resistor across the heater. I looked at the size of both tubes and if I didn't miss anything it looks the same maybe a 1/6 inch different which I should be able to make that up if that's the case. The heater voltage would be enough 6.3 v aside from the 8 volts the 14atp4 requires.

jr_tech 11-23-2017 04:07 PM

What is the model number of the set? Does it have series string heaters or is there a power transformer supplying 6.3 volts to the tube heaters?

jr

timmy 11-23-2017 04:24 PM

The chassis number is 14yp3c . I would just like to know if that tube will fit and I can use it.

jr_tech 11-23-2017 04:40 PM

Ahhh! series string, so the 14ATP4 with heater bypassed with the correct resistor will get the proper 8.4 volts.

jr

tom.j.fla 11-23-2017 05:55 PM

If the crt you have will fit yes you can use it as long as you use the before mentioned shunt resistor. Make sure you make note of the change and note the added resistor for the crt heater in your notes for future use. FYI you have to take in account not only the heater voltage but also the heater current as well, a mismatch in current is not so good for the tube(s). Tom.J


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