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Retro gaming and CRT TVs becoming a thing
I know this is not widely discussed but. within the last couple years that retro gaming is making a comeback and people like millennials, and older gen x people are noticing the gadgets of yesteryear such as the CRT television. A lot of my friends and a lot of people around here are starting to look for CRT tvs If you play that vintage nintendo games on it like Duck Hunt, which of course will not workwith flatscreens. People want that interlaced look with their 240P video game consoles. Its just natural.
Everything from the Atari, to the game cube, xbox etc.. Anyone else notice this lately? A quick craigslist search comes up with CRT television set are now being sold For a small premium where people were giving them away before.. Wonder where this is all going? Even I prefer to play vintage video games on a CRT. High definition even know it has its glory looks like crap when it comes to 240 and 480p game consoles. |
This has definitely been a growing niche over the last few years. Sony PVMs especially, and consumer Trinitrons are the holy grail for these people but they buy other stuff as well. There's still plenty to be had for free or cheap but as the supply begins to dry up, prices will rise. Basic supply and demand. When you think about it, there aren't many living room CRT TVs left in service. Even people who were holding out up until the last few years have probably caved now that a new 32-inch flatscreen can be had for $99 all day. Decades from now, most surviving CRTs from c. 1985-2005 will probably be in the hands of retro gamers rather than TV collectors.
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I saw it starting int he late 2000's. You started seeing people demand to game on a CRT due to the enhanced RGB modes as opposed to composite, then there's the competitive arcade community who in my opinion were the first to start paying hundreds for commercial refurbished PVM's and later on as the remaining units began phaseout everyone started going for them but the pricepoint was already set in the high hundreds. Before that everyone was using the then still really common and cheap Commodore 1701/1702.
I still keep a hoard of typically generic or unimpressive CRT sets but not specifically for reselling. You see a small color set now, don't expect to see them in another decade. I say find a nook you can't easily access but kept dry and cram it as full as you can. |
A friend actually provides equipment for video game tournaments. His favorite sets are the Funai based sets from the late 90s / early 2000s. Reliable, good picture, and you can use the service menu to disable inputs or the tuner. Plus they're square shaped, and have handles.
IIRC he fits about 26 of them into his minivan. -J |
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Minecraft,fortnight,etc...... I DONT WANNA PLAY THAT TRASH!!!!!!!! -- To me they are crappy compared to GOOD games of the early 80s. He says "You should try it and see if you like it" I dont want to!!!!!!!! I like games I consider to be good!! (Early 80s arcade,atari 2600,coleco,etc) |
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Try driving around in Grand theft auto for a while and you'll feel just as sucked in to the game as you would getting on a roll in a game of asteroids on an Atari 2600... this statement comes from experience playing both. |
MAYBE, just MAYBE, if 1 out of every 100 or so of these Millennial Nitwits who squall/screech "AWE-SUM !" every 3rd word like they all seem to HAVE to do, picks up an interest in old radios & TVs, it might just be worth it... I was a teen in the 70s, this current crop has to be the most about the most Dain Bramaged bunch I've seen.. They have no use for anything that ain't tied in some fashion or another to a video game, Kompooder or some other piece of useless fluff that NOBODY but them know how to work....IF they can be coaxed to operate at all anyhow. Guess I'm showin' my 62 years here, but I really didn't think the OTHER kids since I was a kid were this anywhere as FRUSTRATING,-and, ultimately, DISAPPOINTING- as this infuriating bunch is.
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Quite a good reply Sandy!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you......... |
Hehehehehe... Now, if I could just demonstrate/show off the Fine Art of Target shooting....... Start off easy & simple, just a bolt action/lever action .22LR a Browning Lever Action 22, simple scope, poke full of empty coke cans, a few fence posts, & they're all set. Guarantee I'd have 'em callin' their shots in no time.. Would HOPE I'd get a few Grrrls, too... Been MY experience, over 30 yrs of this, girls/ladies often have BETTER hand to eye coordination than boys/men, PROPORTIONALLY better upper body strength-that doesn't matter too much w/22s, tho-And Females DON'T have 50 centuries of Macho Bullshit eggin' them on. They also seem to "Take" to target shooting, once they try it a bit, quite readily. Once, a long time back my sister left me to the clutches of this 10, 12 yr old gal, who was one of those LOVELY kinda kids that you REALLY wanted to Pinch Her Head Off... I had no ideer wtf to do w/this Harpy-in-training, but I had a Chipmunk single shot bolt action .22, which was sized for a kid, a box or 2 of shells, requisite empty cans, & we set to. Kid started w/the whiny-ass voice, I kept pushing, she started plinkin' the cans off, her daddy & my sister came over, started praising Jackie, the kid,, we ALL ended up havin' a very nice afternoon. Too bad my sister & the kid's Dad had a big fallin' out-My sister is a full bore Horse Nut, trust me, They're WAY worse than any of us are, by at least a couple of "Forces of Magnitude" than we are about old radios 'n' TVs..
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Crash Bandicoot on my KV27XBR with my 7-year-old. That's where it's at for me... 20+ years ago. Still have the set, the game, and the kid. All that's missing is time...
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Human beings are interesting to study. I saw vinyl come, then go, and is now making somewhat of a comeback. I see new 180 gram records for sale now in Target stores. I suspect film will at some point make a niche return too. I still play cassettes from time to time. You can still find blank ones. I love anything tactile. I want to get my fathers Sony Superscope TC 250 reel to reel restored and use that on the old tube stereo. I don't see reel to reel making a comeback, but it is interesting how millenials like something they think is new and groovy and us old farts that saw it around the first time around never thought it was a bad technology to begin with. There is nothin new under the sun as wise Soloman once told us thousands of years ago lol. :boring:
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I heard that for the first time in my lifetime Vinyl is outselling CDs...Granted the looming death of physical-digital media is probably as much the cause as is the resurgence of vinyl.
New RTR music does have a niche audiophile market (tech moan on youtube discussed it)...It is expensive as hell so most folks that don't want to play tapes of old music and don't roll their own cigarettes out of $100 bills while driving a Ferrari avoid it. I have plenty of good RTR decks and good old tape of music I like that I got cheap so I'm not inclined to spend more than I probably paid for my whole RTR collection on one new tape. |
What these Millennials will NEVER understand is ploppin' in front of yr mighty R-390A, SP-600, SX-28, whatever, AFTER its been on at least an hour, of course, & then trying to decipher some Deet-deet-dott-Deet from the 25 OTHER signals right there, the static crashes, all the other extraneous noise & BS, just to hear maybe some spy in Gawd-Knows-where-Istan trying to find out who & where he has to meet next. Or was it what clothes he has to pick up tomorrow ?!?
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There is apparently new open-reel audio tape being manufactured, and a new (somewhat high-end) machine rumored as well. I'm full up on each, so I haven't dug into either at this point.
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Some of us on this forum are Millennials :dunno:
I have computers older than me :thmbsp: |
Maybe some of us are Pissin' & Moanin' about youse Nitwit Millennials 'cause we're, uhh, Jealous, perhaps ?!? You lot have your whole LIVES before you, you will undoubtedly see/do/experience things we can't even begin to fathom... All a lot of us have to look forward to is how to make sure our progeny are Taken Care Of..
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Yep I've a Trinitron BVM here for use with my Commodore 64, and A LaCie 22" aperture grille monitor to use with my Ivy Bridge and 386DX2 desktop computers.
On the film note, Kodak is producing Ektachrome and P3200 again, very nice films, looking forward to Ekatchrome in 120 soon. Fuji is bringing back Acros Neopan 100 and still makes Velvia 50/100, and Provia 100F. If they brought back Provia 400x, we'd be in business :thmbsp: |
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A beautiful site. And the picture doesn't do it justice. it looks way better than this.
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Wish I still had my Trinitron. No I don't actually. I'm at opposite ends: Either give me the latest in multi-media entertainment, or give me Predictas (well, I know it goes a lot further back than that, but it's black & white...)
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What better way to play some Japanese import Super Nintendo games than on a Sony Trinitron console tv!
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I guess I should keep my Atari 2600 and my 4 crt tv
I still have a crt Sony upstairs late 90's must weigh 500 pounds, don't miss moving that sucker around. |
Apparently I'm a millennial, even though that's a term that didn't even exist until I was already an adult.
I think tastes vary a lot. Personally, I'm into a little bit of everything, but mostly 70s and later. What I would call "vintage" and not "antique". I like the high-end professional 90s-00s stuff and I also really like small, attractive knob/woodgrain consumer models. I'd just love to have a shelf full of beautiful 13" color 70s/80s sets. A lot of younger people are just going to want one CRT, usually a production monitor or a late consumer TV. Some may be more into computer monitors. Some want to have every type of high-end production monitor with extras for back-up. I think the general takeaway is that with everybody's interests averaged out, you will see growth in demand for all CRTs across the board with a heavy curve for the high-end. The people with the most money will want the best stuff and will compete for it. The spillover into antique televisions is small, but does exist. The good news is that CRTs being junked is going to become less and less of an issue. There are smart people in the CRT gaming scene, figuring out how to do things like perform RGB mods. If I had a nickel for every time I heard somebody say, "They need to start making CRTs again!" I might have close to a dollar. I don't see that happening. What I think could be great though is if we saw a return of the CRT TV repair shop. |
I too am Millennial and the want to use a CRT TV is at least a decade or more old now. Shoot, the last time I was here I was trying to fix my 1984 Mitsubishi CS-1984R "Gaming TV" because replacing it was going to cost me over $100 and require months and months of digging to find something even remotely comparable.
Tastes vary a lot because people want what they had as a kid and that varied a lot. That was why that Mitsubishi was so important to me because that was the exact same TV we had when I was growing up. I tend to find that's the first rung then they discover certain picture tubes (ie Trinitrons, Diamondscans, etc), or other CRT Devices (PVMs) They want. Some (like me) are also electronics tinkers before so part of it for me is the joy of bringing a piece of ancient tech back to life and putting it to good use currently. Like vintage.digi said it's good, it's saving the CRTs. And it's not just TV's, it's computer monitors too. I have a vintage NEC MultiSync II CRT for my computers that I'm not giving up - and that thing I've seen on E-bay listed for $200+ because it works with anything from a Tandy CoCo to a Windows 10 desktop. I got it for free from Computer Surplus in Redmond in 2017. It's also good for the environment too. Shoot, I'm stalking a Zenith 1490 VGA for my 286 - which was like a Trinitron of 640x480 CRT PC monitors from the late 1980's. On the subject of them making CRTs again, I see the same thing regarding AT Cases in the vintage computer community - and nobody has really put in an effort to reproduce or create a new variant of a PC Desktop chassis for old format motherboards (closest thing we have is the Checkmate 1500 but that's really for Amiga and has no AT/XT option), CRTs would be less likely due to the hazards and difficulties in creating a vacuum sealed glass bottle homebrew that would not be a legal and safety hazard. I think people more like Shango66 on Youtube are going to become more and more valuable as time goes on. I have learned so much from watching that guy's channel, and I feel like CRT's, like anything else vintage, will become that weekend tuner/tweaker thing, except instead of a hood open in the driveway, your crazy neighbor will be setting convergence and purity on an old CRT while tubs of creame rinse and water are "Retrobrighting" the case. |
I'm stalking a Zenith 1490 VGA for my 286 - which was like a Trinitron of 640x480 CRT PC monitors from the late 1980's.
The Zenith was the first FTM or Flat Tension Mask CRT. At first only used on monitors & military apps. IIRC the F15 used them. At the time our Zenith rep said if they built a TV with it is would sell for abt $800, more than twice the price of a TOTL 13". So we had to wait years for them in TV's. I had a ham friend that was a manager at NYNEX, the phone co. at the time. After the Zeniths were depreciated they changed them all out & he grabbed abt a dozen. I got one & it gave an absolutely killer pix. Considered untouchable by anything else. The only bad thing thing was they tended to get cold joints & weighed a TON. It was packed solid with CRT, PCB's & tons of steel shielding. 73 Zeno:smoke: LFOD ! |
Retired boomer. Retirement has it's downsides. My ticker is only running at 60%. Sometimes it's all I can do to walk across the room. Fortunately, I'm doing much better. Lot's of things to do.
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Been into retro gaming since the mid '90s, and in the beginning, it was (by necessity) CRTs. Mostly 19" sets with RF input only, usually with a nice chain of RF switches dangling behind it. As time has passed, I've stuck to using CRT sets when possible, up to and including a 14" PVM, though I do have a couple of cheap LCD panels for convenience. I did help a friend find a 27" Sony Trinitron set for his classic gaming room, and myself have a 27" JVC which will hopefully go in my own gaming room once I have a chance to put one together. For now, I recently picked up this classic Sony KV-1710 Trinitron set to use for my gaming purposes:
http://www.electronixandmore.com/ada...0/kv1710_1.jpg http://www.electronixandmore.com/ada...0/kv1710_2.jpg http://www.electronixandmore.com/ada...0/kv1710_4.jpg |
Retro gaming and CRT TVs becoming a thing
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I got a few crt for this purpose all we’re 20” and my parents tosssed them on curb ... so I had a friend take them and probably letting them keep them .. Rip they hate old technology and subwoofers/ big speaker’s . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Retro gaming and CRT TVs becoming a thing
I got a few crt for this purpose all we’re 20” and my parents tosssed them on curb ... so I had a friend take them and probably letting them keep them ..
Rip they hate old technology and subwoofers/ big speaker’s . What’s wrong with the thread it’s not saying what I’m typing? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Back when I was a kid (for perspective I graduated high school in 2010) I collected and restored vacuum tube era electronics (and still do). As long as my collection stayed in my room and or the garage (later the basement once we had a house with one) I could have anything I had room for as long as I did my school work and stayed away from drugs and alcohol (easy peasy)...If they messed with my stuff I would pitch a fit until they promised not to mess with me again. Your as much entitled to a hobby and interests as they are. Ask them how they'd like it if you put all their hobby stuff in the trash, and tell them that's what they just did to you. The best way to protect your collection is to be a good kid under all circumstances except when it's being messed with. I did have to make concessions in the 2 long distance house moves I went through I had to pair my collection down partially (I picked the good stuff to keep and let go of the so so stuff). It's your room you should be able to keep anything you can legally own in it without complaint as long as you don't wreck the walls and floor. Sometimes collecting can even work for your parents and you...my parents had a habit of buying nice houses with beat up dated interiors and fixing them up, and Dad liked renovation the way most people like root canals....They figured out that they could instruct me on painting, wall paper removal, popcorn ceiling removal, and get contractor quality or better work while paying me less than a contractor, but enough to motivate me and make it worth my effort...I redid the majority of the interior of 2.2 of their 3 houses and that funded my collection. There are far worse socially acceptable hobbies you could have(or threaten to take up)...like Taxidermy... Imagine what your parents would have to go through if you were regularly bringing home dead animals to skin in the house. |
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I love that stuff and think the stuff they make now is absolute garbage!! Those SOUNDBARS are aweful sounding.... |
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