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Jon A. 12-14-2015 08:46 PM

Current CRT use in businesses
 
A nearby pharmacy has a Panasonic Pro Line CT-1386Y monitor for a security camera display. It looks like an ordinary 13" TV until you look closely. Seems the CRT is pretty tired, the image is heavy on the green. Tonight I noticed a CRT monitor that is part of a point of sale terminal in a dry cleaning shop, it looked fairly new. Makes me wonder if CRT monitors are still made for professional use. Oh yeah, I recall a building supplies store had a few older CRT-based terminals as of a few months ago anyway.

So, anyone else care to share such sightings?

Electronic M 12-14-2015 09:12 PM

Seems every "Arby's" I've been to, even recently opened ones all use green screen CRTs on their registers and displays...

A few local shops have them at the entrance to greet the customers with their face on TV....Many are industrial types with CRTs that are VERY tired. One thrift that used to be a big retail store of some kind had a Sony consumer set in that role (and a few others hanging from the ceiling for similar duty), none were powered on....I guess they rather not waste the energy sniffing for theft.

jsowers 12-14-2015 09:28 PM

My dentist's office still uses an iMac G3 to schedule appointments. It's a 2002 model, with the slot-load CD-ROM. They're very well built. I had a G4 Tower that I used at work from 2002 until 2013 when I retired. Built like a tank.

But I don't want to be at my dentist's office when that hard drive dies. :tears:

Findm-Keepm 12-14-2015 09:55 PM

Do video arcades count? :D

Last security CRT monitor I saw was at the Little League fields, in the concession booth - 'twas a monochrome Hitachi.

About three years ago, you could get green 9" monochrome monitors new in the box on the surplus market for 9.50 each if you bought 10. Full frame mount, just supply it with 12V 2A and a composite with sync signal. I noticed it had Samsung chips, not sure of the CRT. Apparently they were ATM monitors, never used, so Diebold or NCR got rid of them - by the thousands. I bought one at 15 dollars, and was disappointed when it was damaged in shipping by FedEx ground folks. Bent frame and CRT busted around the yoke clamp, despite careful, adequate packing. Called the surplus place in TX and thought I had another one inbound, but they emailed they were crediting my card and sending me a return label, so off it went.

I'd imagine that the speed at which they sold, there was probably someone making something with them. I noticed Jameco sold the matching power supplies - 25W 12V switchers - for just 3.89 each. Cute little 100V-250V TDK units, all boxed as well.

Most HUD displays used by military aircraft are projected by a CRT and optics, so CRT technology is still with us, just not easily obtainable. China is still producing CRT oscilloscopes, and some medical machines still require CRT displays, although I'm not sure of the use.

bgadow 12-14-2015 09:57 PM

Our nearest bowling alley, in business since the late 50's, closed last month. We stopped by just once more and, yep, all the scoring displays were crt. Some of them had some pretty serious vertical issues.

Earlier this year we were in a Jo-Ann fabrics store with a Panasonic security monitor hanging from the ceiling. It was 99.99% used up. At work our server uses a crt monitor.

I don't think having a crt retires as much equipment as the fact that the equipment is otherwise obsolete/worn-out.

maxhifi 12-14-2015 11:37 PM

Fast food places, that monitor that tells them which orders are next, etc... I am sure I've see. Them recently in that application

Electronic M 12-15-2015 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bgadow (Post 3151347)
Our nearest bowling alley, in business since the late 50's, closed last month. We stopped by just once more and, yep, all the scoring displays were crt. Some of them had some pretty serious vertical issues.

Same was sort of the case here. The place was in Hartland (and asside from the scoring system was just as when built in the 70's)....Bank bought the property and leveled it a few months back. All CRT monitors in there....Most still good some not so much....I used to go there with a friend and fellow EE alum and tell him what each monitor needed, sometimes he'd ask me what was wrong with one.

There was an AMC with CRT monitors too, but when I went back to it after Hartland closed I found it too had been leveled.....It's getting hard to Bowl out here!

On the subject, I once as a kid in the 90's went to an Bowling alley in the Chicago suburbs that had all monochrome monitors (big screen top, and little on the console) and the 70's-80's computers that drove them....I never knew they were built like that then, and have not remembered that in years...Thanks for knocking something interesting loose from the depths of my memories.

andy 12-15-2015 02:28 AM

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CoogarXR 12-15-2015 07:22 AM

There is a local bar in my tiny town that I will sometimes order carryout from. They have 90's Zenith 32" CRT TVs hanging above the bar (right above the stools!) for displaying sports to the rest of the bar. I hope those mounts hold... They have smaller (like 20") CRTs above the liquor racks for the people at the bar to watch. All of those TVs look like crap from years of non-stop play and thick nicotine glaze.

We have a newer Discount Drug Mart in a nearby town, it has mono B/W cash register monitors (IBM I think).

Where I used to work at the electronics recycler, we had a picture-taking booth for ebay, and it had built-in monitors for picture previews and uploading. They were 21 Sun Micro monitors.

I was on a road-trip a couple weeks ago, I stopped at a Quaker Steak restaurant (can't remember the town, hell I can't even remember if it was Ohio or Pennsylvania!). But they had a working Donkey Kong cocktail machine in the lobby. I thought that was cool. There was a father and son playing it when I walked by.

Dude111 12-16-2015 12:39 AM

Excellent,I love this thread!!!!

This fish place I goto has 2 CRTs in the dining room where you site down to eat but lately they have been turned off.......... (I get mac and cheese there -- mmmmmmmmmm)

ChrisW6ATV 12-16-2015 01:54 AM

There are still quite a few CRT monitors used in airports for flight information, mostly in employee areas at this point, but LAX was still full of them in the United Airlines public concourses as of a half year ago or so.

ZackN920 12-17-2015 12:21 AM

Our Menards still has a bunch. There all either warn out or set dimly. They've looked like that since they were put in though. (The store was built only 3-5 years ago)
Several other businesses around here use them as well, computer monitor's, TV's, AV monitor's, blablabla

Arcanine 12-17-2015 12:41 AM

The older Meijer stores here still use consumer CRT televisions at their entrances for Customers to see their on camera. Panasonic sets, to be exact. The store I to go was put up in 2002, and the television sets have never changed since. They're pretty dim and one is really badly out of focus.

Arby's here still has CRT's in use for the order displays and cash registers both. Also Panasonic made.

I still see a lot of gas stations with CRT security monitors as well.

UPS still uses CRT monitors on their package sorting machines.

My post office has a CRT monitor in the back still in use.

They're still fairly common in the wild. Certainly more robust and longer lasting then any of the flat things they make now.

Jeffhs 12-17-2015 12:27 PM

The bowling alley (which has only eight lanes) in my tiny town still has CRT scoring displays, and I think they are left on all the time, even when the place is closed. The laundromat up the road from my apartment has a Toshiba CRT TV/DVD/VCR sitting atop one of the vending machines in a corner of the building; however, the set still makes a great picture. Before that, they had a Zenith 19" CRT TV with possibly the worst picture I have ever seen; the CRT must have been very weak, as the picture had a green tint, the colors were way off, and so on.

BTW: You may complain about the short life of most flat-screen televisions, but please remember this type of TV is the only kind of television made anymore. Moreover, flat screens are all today's "millenials" know these days. Try to tell them there once were such things as televisions with picture tubes in big cabinets, and most of them will be amazed; they may even laugh.

Third, flat screens are what are available these days, as I mentioned above. Like it or not, believe it or not, old CRT sets are on the way out; the only people who care about these oldies are antique/vintage TV collectors, such as some folks here on VK--Doug, drh4683 in Chicago, for example. However, there is an elderly lady in my apartment building who still watches a Zenith CRT television similar to my own Sentry 2 table set, but I understand, from what the maintenance man tells me (I don't know the lady personally), her set may be on its last legs. Since she is in her mid- or late eighties, she is probably used to the picture, such as it is, and may well leave it as it is until she dies. The maintenance man told me the picture on that set looks almost black and white because the screen is coated in nicotine from heavy cigarette smoke (the lady is a heavy smoker).

I mention the foregoing to make a point: that there are still people who swear by their CRT sets and will not give them up unless they are forced to. Businesses such as the small bowling establishment in my town still use CRT scoring displays, but as I mentioned, this town operates on a limited budget, so it likely cannot afford high-tech stuff like automatic scoring and flat-screen displays (or to expand the bowling alley itself--the place has only had eight lanes for more years than I've been here). I've never been in the place even though I've lived here 16 years, but I am guessing they still use paper score sheets and perhaps old AMF or Brunswick pinspotters, such as were used in bowling alleys since at least the '50s. The bowling lanes in my hometown had CRT scoring displays and electronic scoring computers from 1976 on, and may still be using them today, the fact that they are well out of date notwithstanding.

CoogarXR 12-17-2015 01:44 PM

Since you mentioned the laundromat-

My wife worked in a 24-hour laundromat briefly, helping out her friend who owned the place. They had a CRT TV in there. She said it was so people could watch TV, but she didn't have to worry about it getting stolen, lol. It's true, somebody did rob the place, and the TV remained untouched.

Dude111 05-19-2016 05:49 PM

A friend of mine recently re-designed his store.... He took out the beautiful CRT he had there and replaced with one of those ugly flat screen things!!!!!! (Its hung on a wall) -- I asked him what happend to his TV he had all these years and he said "I gave it away" -- Totally disgusts me....... I wont be visiting his store again...... (Nothing I want there anymore anyway (He used to have VHS,records and all kinds of stuff -- Now he just has CDs and DVDs there along with the other stuff he has (baseball cards,etc)))

MRX37 05-19-2016 06:41 PM

He kept a CRT until 2016 give him a break.

Also note he runs a business. keeping up with the times is essential for a business owner.

And if that means flat screens, so be it.

rca2000 05-19-2016 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffhs (Post 3151600)

BTW: You may complain about the short life of most flat-screen televisions, but please remember this type of TV is the only kind of television made anymore. Moreover, flat screens are all today's "millenials" know these days. Try to tell them there once were such things as televisions with picture tubes in big cabinets, and most of them will be amazed; they may even laugh.

Third, flat screens are what are available these days, as I mentioned above. Like it or not, believe it or not, old CRT sets are on the way out; the only people who care about these oldies are antique/vintage TV collectors, such as some folks here on VK--Doug, drh4683 in Chicago, for example. However, there is an elderly lady in my apartment building who still watches a Zenith CRT television similar to my own Sentry 2 table set, but I understand, from what the maintenance man tells me (I don't know the lady personally), her set may be on its last legs. Since she is in her mid- or late eighties, she is probably used to the picture, such as it is, and may well leave it as it is until she dies. The maintenance man told me the picture on that set looks almost black and white because the screen is coated in nicotine from heavy cigarette smoke (the lady is a heavy smoker).


An lCD panel of ANY type will NOT hold up long in a smoking house. In a year, maybe 2==there WILl be heavy "smoke trails" deposited all over the diffuser, polarizer and such..and it will be visible under certain picture conditions.. A CRT will N OT have this problem--they are sealed and any smoke deposits can just be cleaned off.. On an LCD it has to be torn down, panel removed from BL assy and ALL cleaned...to remove it !!

andy 05-19-2016 07:42 PM

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WISCOJIM 05-19-2016 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 3162957)
A friend of mine recently re-designed his store.... He took out the beautiful CRT he had there and replaced with one of those ugly flat screen things!!!!!! (Its hung on a wall) -- I asked him what happend to his TV he had all these years and he said "I gave it away" -- Totally disgusts me....... I wont be visiting his store again...... (Nothing I want there anymore anyway (He used to have VHS,records and all kinds of stuff -- Now he just has CDs and DVDs there along with the other stuff he has (baseball cards,etc)))

But if he had given it to you, everything would be wonderful now. Maybe he has more than one friend? Maybe his other friends are more loyal than you appear to be?

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Eric H 05-19-2016 08:00 PM

We have a smallish industrial CRT monitor in our office at work, it was installed in 2007 when the place was built.

It's on 24/7 but it quit a while back and was off for a while, I fixed it a couple months ago, just a blown fuse from all the power surges and failures in the neighborhood.

What's more surprising is all the cameras (5 or 6 I think) are all still working, they're all mounted outside the building in the California heat.

MIPS 05-19-2016 10:19 PM

Sony's PVM stuff is still really, really sought after for commercial uses, not just by the creepy game/MAME collectors alone. There's a fair number of galleries that still keep a stock of them for video displays and exhibits because they are quite minimalist and stack really well. There's a private gallery in Vancouver along Main Street who has half a dozen of them and no matter how much a friend of mine offered them they didn't want to sell them.

The Home Depot here has one at the entrance for the CCTV. It's been on since they opened in 2003. That poor, poor tube is so weak you can barely see a picture on it now.

Dude111 05-20-2016 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WISCOJIM
Maybe his other friends are more loyal than you appear to be?

No no...I like Scotty alot......... I am his friend :)

Electronic M 05-20-2016 11:28 AM

The local Home Depot had one too till a few months back. My guess is it got too dark to watch (it was pretty much there when I last saw it) or it just died. There is a generic flatscreen there now.

maxhifi 05-20-2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by andy (Post 3162968)
True, although at least an LCD can be torn down and cleaned unlike lungs...

I remember back when smoking was common in bars, projection TVs always had an awful, cloudy picture due to smoke on the lenses and mirror. Even those easy to clean direct view CRTs were rarely cleaned.

My predicta was from a smoking house... Disgusting inside, cleaning it,
It seemed like someone took a paint brush and slathered the insides with rancid bacon fat. I have similar aged stuff from non smoking houses which is like new inside.. Needless to say mine will always be a non smoking house!

CoogarXR 05-20-2016 12:39 PM

I remember I got in a load of LCD TVs that had hung directly over a bar... Needless to say, I totally get the bacon-fat analogy. Open the back, throw in a bucket of bacon fat, then empty your sweeper bag on top of it. Let it harden, and there you have it. Tasty!

I ended up scrapping them even though they worked. The screens were totally orange-tinted, and the boards were so gross I couldn't imagine selling them.


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