Just saw Valkyrie. My Review.
 

...it is what it is...

:thmbsp::thumbsdn:

Kinda knew how it came out already. If they were faithful to the historical account the LUCKY ones got shot, quickly, cleanly, & mercifully.

And Hitler escaped all 42 attempts on his life. Like you said, if they were faithful to the historical account.

I see no real reason to watch this flick. YMMV.

Not gonna ruin the end, but I knew the story before hand, and from what I know, it seemed to be pretty on target..

I have not saw the movie but....


If only he'd put the second pound of plastic explosives he had in the brief case.

It's a fecking Tom Cruise movie- you wanted substance????

You wanted acting???

LOL.. Too funny.. Yeah.. you're both right..

Hey! Tom's just trying to right himself in his world:D
An egotistical hollywood buffoon in my estimate, but what do I know?
Regards,
Jim

"Rainman" was his least-objectionable movie, IMHO.

My favorite Tom Cruise movie is Austin Powers- Goldmember.

:D

I think part of what took away too was there wasn't even any German accent.. I mean at least Hogan's Heros seemed more authenic as far as that..

This is a film that should have been made by German filmmakers.
Films like "Das Boot" and "Downfall" not only are supreme pieces of history on film, but really work because they are in fact, done in German, by Germans.

I'll take a look at "Valkyrie", but I don't expect much beyond great production design.

C.

I enjoyed the movie.... I've always been a Tom Cruise fan though....

If you get a chance check out Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder....

Agree. Downfall is an absolutely riveting movie. Overlooked by many.

Snade

Cruise did just fine in Minority Report, Vanilla Sky, & Last Samurai, and then there is everything else.

Now let's be fair about old Tom- Born on the Fourth of July was close to an Oscar caliber performance. When he sets his mind to it, he can get it done. Risky Business was not so bad either.

As for Germans making this film, they have already. There are at least 2 versions that were made in Germany. But the German film industry is not Hollywood. I would like to see those versions, but I would be skeptical as von Stauffenberg is revered as a hero there, for obvious reasons, but his motives might not have been completely benign. Why did he wait so long? I mean, didn't a good read of Mein Kampf tip everyone off? If not, invading Poland surely was a warning sign. I digress...


Easy for me to say, but one of those guys should have walked right up to Hitler and emptied a clip into his head.

I guess I should see this film.....:scratch2:

Und Similost mein Freund, Hogans' Heroes had decent German accents because those actors were actually Germans for the most part.:yes:

Hey Charles, Grille is going tomorrow too.. :thmbsp:

Have not seen the first & forgot about the second.

Thinking about "Taps" I did like the scene with the M60 -

"This is beautiful man, just beautiful!"

I just want to know if they glorified the guy or not...even though he wanted Hitler gone, he was douche bag nazi.

"Vanilla Sky" is a remake of the spanish film "Abre los ojos" (open your eyes) from the spanish (born in Chile) director Alejandro Amenabar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abre_los_ojos

In my opinion, the original film is much better.

By the way, the first film of Amenabar, "Tesis" (Thesis) is a great thriller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesis

All the best

You are misinformed. He never joined the Nazi Party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_S...n_Stauffenberg

So he was not a Nazi at all.

Met Tom Cruise when they were filming "Topgun". My squadron (VF-21) shared hangar space with the real Topgun squadron in Hangar 1 at NAS Miramar, San Diego in the early '80s.

You're right, 'Toze. He's a conceited superficial jackass, IMHO.

However, the subject matter intrigues me, being a WWII buff.
So I think I may go check it out. If I can stand 2 1/2 hours of
Cruises prettyboy primadonna bull**it, that is.

T.C. fans; It's just my opinion, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

Dave

German accent not neccessary. Check James Mason as Rommel in an old black and white; I believe "Desert Rats".
I have not seen the Valkyrie movie, but it appears that Tom's PR issues has worked against him.

Ja, das stimmt! :yes: ...although sometimes the accent was laid on a little thick, for dramatic effect. Great show, as were Das Boot und auch Downfall. German cinema may not have all the special effects of Hollyweird, but they sure can tell a riveting story when they want to! :yes:

I suppose I will see Valkyrie... probably after it comes out on DVD. :D

[QUOTE=Jack Lord;2352217]Now let's be fair about old Tom- Born on the Fourth of July was close to an Oscar caliber performance. When he sets his mind to it, he can get it done.


was it tom cruise or oliver stone? i think the movie itself was oscar grade, i think anyone could have played that role well given that it was an oliver stone flick. his stuff seems actorproof, just my opinion.

[QUOTE=getrigt99;2358497]Even Keanu Reeves????

[QUOTE=WhiteSE;2358529]i meant actual actors, sorry should have specified.

Nothing says "Christmas" like a nazi film.

dew.

I reckon it was both. One of the director's many tasks is to coax the best performance possible out of the actor. But the actor still must deliver.

Playing the role of Ron Kovic required a lot of transitions: From walking to wheelchair. From gung ho Marine to radical anti-war activist. It also required an unusually large array of emotions- patriotism, puppy love, courage, recklessness, anger, extreme despair and hopelessness and finally a redemption of sorts.

A bad actor could not have done the job. Cruise really reached in to himself and pulled it off. Nobody can watch that performance and tell me it was not exceptional. What's a shame is that it may well have been his apex, although as he ages, he may have to find more roles with depth as action roles diminish.

i`m wondering what star these days wouldn`t fit that description, and besides i`m not going out drinking with the guy i`m giving him my 50 bucks to be entertained for a couple of hours. if he can do that sucessfully, i don`t give a rats ass what he does on his days off.

When you jump on a couch and talk inanity:then your work and ability are not taken seriously. Tom's 4 of July acting was first class.

Maybe I don't know this tale of history, but initial thought was that I have no desire to see it. I'm way more interested in that Viggo Mortensen WWII film...

There were a lot of attempts on Hitler, unfortunately none of them successful.

An officer named Oster actually attempted to put together a coup as early as 1938, with the help of police and different military divisions. Didn't work out either. He could very likely have stopped WW2 from happening.

I don't think there's been a film version of that story.

C.

I will digress for a moment, since I have not yet seen Valkyrie.

However, I have seen and own Das Boot - absolutely love that story! If you like that one, check out Stalingrad - same director as Das Boot. Have the heater turned up in the house, though! The winter scenes are so realistic, they will leave you shivering. Also, be forewarnd - the movie is depressing.

As far as Tom Cruise goes, check him out in Magnolia. It is a very funny, bizarre, non-mainstream movie and he is cast perfectly in his role. His final scene is heartbreaking and trust me, I have suffered through many of Tom's poor performances.

Yeah, I may be in a WWII kind of mood - maybe I'll watch The Pianist, or Schindler's List, or Band o' Bros, or A Bridge Too Far, or...........

Are you talking about this film ? I saw it many years ago and thought of it as one of the best war movies ever. I´d be pleased to watch it again.

All the best

Yep, that's the one. I used to know more about Wolfgang Peterson, the director, but have forgotten why he has such a handle on his material as told from the German point of view.

Watch it again and enjoy! I would rank Peterson's WWII classics with Lawrence of Arabia.

I will be taking my grandfather to go see this movie . I'll want to see how it compares to his account of what was going on at the time and the propaganda spin put on it by the SS . That and Gran Torino , he really wants to see the Eastwood movie , I am kind of dragging him to go see Valkyrie .

By the way, Rommel was implicated in the Valkyrie affair and was given a choice:take poison or harm would come to his family. He took the poison.

Quite true. And his son grew up to become the very popular Lord Mayor of Stuttgart.