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heathkit tv 10-15-2005, 11:58 PM Can someone please explain to me why there seems to be such strangeness assoiciated with these sets? Here's an eBay auction for an AD for this set and it's up to $36!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR AN AD!!!! :headscrat :saywhat: :screwy:
Makey clicky here (http://cgi.ebay.com/rca-the-two-thousand-color-tv-ad-rare_W0QQitemZ6216014370QQcategoryZ3638QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Pardon moi, but :wtf: Find the magazine that the ad was in and buy it for about a buck. Sheesh. :butt1:
NowhereMan 1966 10-26-2005, 08:44 PM Well, the RCA2000 TV was sold as the "set of the future" in 1969 and only 2000 were made and each sold for $2000. It was made with all computer chips, automatic tuning, and so on, many of the features that eventually appeared in TV's from the late 1970's to today. There is a member here that goes by the name RCA2000 that has a working model. This was made at the time when most TV's were made with tubes or descrete transistors and black and white (although color was starting to catch on). Myself, I have a 1970 Zenith Chromacolor, 23 inch set that has tubes transistors and even some chips, it is a hybrid but fr that time, the RCA2000 was ahead of anything that was out there at that time. IIRC, it used TTL integrated circuits. Maybe $56.00 is a bit much for an ad of the set but I guess that fits into the mistique of the TV itself. Space aged styling was starting to come in at that time, I remember my buddy I've been hanging around since grade school also had a Chromacolor from Zenith in a similarl ooking cabiner that came out in 1972.
Eric H 10-26-2005, 09:39 PM Didn't the CTC40 come out around 68 or 69 too?
Computers aside how different is the actual TV chassis on a 2000 from a CTC40?
rca2000 10-27-2005, 03:12 AM I own one, and have a LITTLE experience with it.
The main difference in the CHASSIS on this one, and the ctc-40, is that it has a quadrupler, for the HV, instead of the tube. Also, since this set uses dc-voltage-type remote control(like many modern sets, a voltage is varied, for tuning, volume, etc), thete are some added stages, to control that system.
As for the tuning system, it does indeeed use digital MOSFET memory devices, to hold the settings, for channels, volume, color ant tint. There are NO fine tuning controls, for the VHF, it is all done electronically. a primitive digital logic setup, is used to control the actual tuner, with NAND gates, and such. For '69, this WAS a major step forward.
Kamakiri 10-27-2005, 06:20 AM I own one too. Maybe not the most collectible, but probably the one least documented. How many did we say are known to exist at this point, like five?
NowhereMan 1966 10-31-2005, 08:49 PM I own one, and have a LITTLE experience with it.
The main difference in the CHASSIS on this one, and the ctc-40, is that it has a quadrupler, for the HV, instead of the tube. Also, since this set uses dc-voltage-type remote control(like many modern sets, a voltage is varied, for tuning, volume, etc), thete are some added stages, to control that system.
As for the tuning system, it does indeeed use digital MOSFET memory devices, to hold the settings, for channels, volume, color ant tint. There are NO fine tuning controls, for the VHF, it is all done electronically. a primitive digital logic setup, is used to control the actual tuner, with NAND gates, and such. For '69, this WAS a major step forward.
One question I have to ask is, do you need to adjust the convergence on the RCA 2000 or is more like today's sets? That RCA is remarkable, MOSFET's and TTL computer chips. When I was delivering pizzas, I knew a guy who made an electronic clock back in 1965 or so that used TTL's.
NowhereMan 1966 10-31-2005, 08:55 PM I own one too. Maybe not the most collectible, but probably the one least documented. How many did we say are known to exist at this point, like five?
I know, I never knew of the 2000 until I went to www.tvhistory.tv and saw it thwre and then I met RCA2000 online on here and Free Republic. If there were 2000 made, there has to be more out there but it seems next to the CT-100, this is the Holy Grail of TV's. That reminds me, got to enter a contest online of a local TV station to where the prize is a 55 inch HDTV. Call me weird, but I'd prefer a roundie, where in the heck would I put this monster? :D Plus I hate to give up the 1982 Zenith, the picture is still good.
kx250rider 11-16-2005, 02:55 AM The 2000 had a specially built CTC-47. The CTC-47 was only in the 2000, and it had the "no moving parts" tuner. Otherwise it was very similar to the other Trans Vista Color chassis CTC-40 and 44. I've had 3 Two Thousands since the early 80s. I think UCLA has one in the museum too. I agree that the ad went WAY high, but then again, a service manual for an RCA model 5B (pre-CT-100) went for $566.00 a couple years ago on eBay.
When checking out a G-2000, the main thing is that pot-metal pedestal. They crack if you sneeze, and the TV then tilts down to one side. A warning to anyone who has or wants one: When you load it in a truck, it MUST be sitting upside down or on end! If you drive a block with the TV sitting on its bottom, the weight of the 2000 will cause it to oscillate back and forth and break the pedestal!!!!!!!!!!! And this is a 2-man TV to move. Both men MUST pick it up evenly, as if you try to tilt it up on end onto a dolly it will ALSO BREAK THE PEDESTAL. No kidding on that whatsoever. I have all the manuals on the 2000 if anyone has a need.
Charles
I own one, and have a LITTLE experience with it.
The main difference in the CHASSIS on this one, and the ctc-40, is that it has a quadrupler, for the HV, instead of the tube. Also, since this set uses dc-voltage-type remote control(like many modern sets, a voltage is varied, for tuning, volume, etc), thete are some added stages, to control that system.
As for the tuning system, it does indeeed use digital MOSFET memory devices, to hold the settings, for channels, volume, color ant tint. There are NO fine tuning controls, for the VHF, it is all done electronically. a primitive digital logic setup, is used to control the actual tuner, with NAND gates, and such. For '69, this WAS a major step forward.
Would there be any chance of getting some pictures of the internals of this set as this was such an advanced set for it's time as the other manufacturers were still making sets with valves & hybrids were common place back in '69.
rca2000 11-16-2005, 05:53 AM When checking out a G-2000, the main thing is that pot-metal pedestal. They crack if you sneeze, and the TV then tilts down to one side. A warning to anyone who has or wants one: When you load it in a truck, it MUST be sitting upside down or on end! If you drive a block with the TV sitting on its bottom, the weight of the 2000 will cause it to oscillate back and forth and break the pedestal!!!!!!!!!!! And this is a 2-man TV to move. Both men MUST pick it up evenly, as if you try to tilt it up on end onto a dolly it will ALSO BREAK THE PEDESTAL. No kidding on that whatsoever. I have all the manuals on the 2000 if anyone has a need.
Charles[/QUOTE]
I must be livin' right.
I own a 2000(tis' where my monkier comes from) and I had to go a ways to get it. I drove a bit more than a block, with it in my van, (try six HUNDRED miles), to get it home,and it WAS sitting upright. The base IS intact!! And, you are right, it IS a heavy set!!
captainmoody 11-16-2005, 05:18 PM Here is the inside pic of a G-2000 I traded to Tim last year. I can see what Charles says about the base, it looks a bit on the flimsy side.
captainmoody 11-16-2005, 05:26 PM Oh, Charles ought to know this one, limited production with engraved owner nameplate as well! The owner of now defunct Highland appliance had this one originally.
colortrakker 11-16-2005, 06:13 PM Yum...the 30" Sony. I remember seeing the ads for this. New around 1981 it cost $10 Grand, if I remember. Adjusted for inflation that ought'ave been right around G2000 territory, or more.
nasadowsk 11-16-2005, 10:17 PM Gee, no wonder it's so big - look at that rack to the left side. heh. There's IC's in there? Actyually, didn't RCA start using ICs before then?
rca2000 11-17-2005, 12:01 AM About the nudie photo of the 2000?
YES-- there are IC's in that "rack" on the side of the cabinet-- that is known as the TCA assambly, or tuner controller assembly, according to the manual. It contains 5 PC boards, related to the operation of the tuner and remote control system. One board has 4 IC's on it-- One, IIRC is the equivelant of a 7400 Quad NAND gate. Another board has mainly a bunch of diodse on it, for the tuner control. NOTE-- Unlike a modern electronic tuner, THIS one has 13 SEPERATE inputs, for tuner voltage. One corresponds to each channel.
Yet another board has the MOS memory modules on it.
I noticed a brightener on the tube in yours-- Mine has one too-- I thnik that tube is a weak one, meaning, from the start. Mine seems to be "asleep", and the brightener wakes it up a bit. BTW-- The ctc47 chassis, is an instant -on set. If you notice, the HV cage seems a LOT smaller than the ctc40-- This is due to the use of a HV quadrupler, instead of a tube. On the left side of the chassis, behind the power tranny, is the tuner. it is about 2" thick(or more), and 4" tall, maybe 5" long, or so, and has a LOT of wires going to it, as can be seen. ALSO-- this set uses a LOT of power during standby-- the TTL ckty. for the remote and tuner needs to have power all the time, and I would guess 25 watts, or more, in standby, including the CRT.
RCA was fond of having a huge mass of wires to the tuner. They were still doing that in the late 80's.
This thing would have been a nightmare to anyone trying to service the set looking at the chassis.
Was the horz O/P in the CTC-47 using transistors or SCR's like in the CTC-40 or 44?
kx250rider 11-17-2005, 01:21 PM (Sony KV-3000 thumbnail)
I had two of those sets; one is now with a collector in New Hampshire, and here is a picture of the chassis of the other one after the 1988 fire. It had mostly water damage, but still works now 17 years later after a thorough distilled water pressure-washing and drying!!!!!!!!
(G-2000)
RCA2000, You're lucky, or the roads are better where you are :D ... I busted the base on the first one I moved, then my former boss busted another one in a customer's house when he tried to lift one side to get it out of a thick carpet rut. On the last one I had (sold on eBay 2 years ago), I had reinforced it by roughing up the inside with a sanding disc of 36-grit, then fiberglassed the whole inside like a surfboard. It had previous cracks, but seemed much better after the upgrade.
Charles
Kamakiri 11-17-2005, 01:49 PM By any weird coincidence did I get any CT-100 parts from you? A lot of the cosmetics I bought from someone in California that had a fire back in 1988.......
kx250rider 11-18-2005, 03:01 AM I sold a bunch of CT-100 parts on eBay appx 5 years ago. Many were saved from the burnt set, and also other CT-100s I had parted out.. What's your eBay name? It most probably was me, as I was the only one with a TV collection fire (THANK GOD NOBODY ELSE as far as I know)...
Charles
Kamakiri 11-18-2005, 07:25 AM My eBay name is steely-tim, at the time it may have been [email protected].
Funny how things somehow come full circle, isn't it? :) Maybe one of these days I'll run into the Chicago area collector that sold me my 15GP22.
Steve D. 11-19-2005, 02:29 AM I posted this elsewhere on AK. This seems to be a better thread.
This is a message sent to me recently, any interest or advice for these folks.
From: [email] [email protected] Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 8:25pm (PST+4) Subject: RCA 2000
We have the above TV, still working with technical manual and spare parts. We would like to put it on the market, can you give us some advice? We're located in Kissimmee, Florida.
Bruce & Donna Long
#407-847-4119
-Steve D.
orthophonic 11-19-2005, 11:13 AM There is a RCA 2000 in Elvis Presleys bedroom at Graceland.
Eric H 12-04-2005, 12:10 AM So, is this the remote for this set?
I'm guessing no because it looks like an Infrared unit?
http://cgi.ebay.com/rca-colortrack-2000-remote-control-television_W0QQitemZ5838062680QQcategoryZ73374QQrd Z1QQcmdZViewItem
colortrakker 12-04-2005, 01:01 AM :lmao: Infrared, plus about 10 years too late. Maybe even early '80s. It's a Colortrak 2000 remote.
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