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Mr.Duncan 04-11-2025, 10:04 AM After restoring my 1960 Maganavox, I was looking for a new project.
(thread here (https://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=276762))
I picked up my first Predicta TV! I've always been on the search for one of these.
This will be a build thread about repairs done to this model.
I think this is a 1958 Model year, Model G4242M.
Ordered a photofact folder, waiting for that to arrive.
Seems to have an issue with the vertical output circuit, all the capacitors are original. Will be removing the chassis soon to replace those and test the tubes.
High voltage cage is 100% missing. Not sure where I can find another. Also missing adjustment knobs.
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Electronic M 04-11-2025, 11:12 AM IIRC the ETF has free downloads of the Sam's for this on their website.
Mr.Duncan 04-11-2025, 11:26 AM IIRC the ETF has free downloads of the Sam's for this on their website.
I'm not sure what ETF is, do you have a link?
Yamamaya42 04-11-2025, 12:15 PM I'm not sure what ETF is, do you have a link?
EWWW! You have a Trash 80 computer! :D
All the ETF info on philco is here.
https://www.earlytelevision.org/tv_schematic_diagrams_philco.html
Just find the one that is right for your set.:banana:
Yamamaya42 04-11-2025, 12:23 PM After restoring my 1960 Maganavox, I was looking for a new project.
(thread here (https://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=276762))
I picked up my first Predicta TV! I've always been on the search for one of these.
This will be a build thread about repairs done to this model.
I think this is a 1958 Model year, Model G4242M.
Ordered a photofact folder, waiting for that to arrive.
Seems to have an issue with the vertical output circuit, all the capacitors are original. Will be removing the chassis soon to replace those and test the tubes.
High voltage cage is 100% missing. Not sure where I can find another. Also missing adjustment knobs.
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Another " BIG MOMMA MAGGIE" 24AHP4 owner? :D :scratch2: Don't expect that CRT to last very long! they were very short lived, the one I have is almost dead!
Electronic M 04-11-2025, 12:34 PM I'm not sure what ETF is, do you have a link?
Probably the best vintage TV museum (and website) out there, and about the only dedicated vintage swapmeet out there (ignoring California). One of those places that if you collect and don't know about you're missing out.
Yama already linked you.
Mr.Duncan 04-16-2025, 05:20 PM Started removing the chassis today. When removing the HV rectifier tube it seems I tore the lead off the flyback transformer.
Based on the diagram, it only has 1 wire, I think I can solder it back on.
Although on further inspection, I found the High voltage cable to the CRT covered in electrical tape. I think I should replace this cable, but will need to source a part.
Send me a PM if you have either a flyback or HV cable!
(sent Moyer electronics an email to see if they have one)
Philco 32-8853-1 Or Thordarson FLY 196
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bandersen 04-16-2025, 06:19 PM Ah, that's a shame. I think removing and inserting that HV cable is the single most difficult part of restoring Predictas.
It's unlikely (but not impossible) to find a replacement flyback given the demand. I suggest you attempt a repair. Get yourself some Super Corona Dope to paint over the repair and cracked wax coating.
Nothing special about the HV wire. Get some rated for 25kV or better.
Could be someone cut it to make pulling the chassis easier rather than trying to pull it out of the socket.
I've posted a ton of videos about restoring these sets that you may find useful if you haven't already seen them.
Tips:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4aHiwoXvLGDPeRjl9d98cyIZi6F71YBw&si=ZCF5K780eNgJfybB
A series of 21" sets with chassis like yours:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4aHiwoXvLGB-nK0yBsiquVKY_IkdHCGG&si=QJFeyZNmXLktdYHm
jhalphen 04-17-2025, 12:57 AM Hi to all,
Hi Mr.Duncan,
about rescueing flyback transformers, may i suggest you read the following thread. The tar in the flyback is dissolved by a (several day) bath in paint thinner, then coated with several coats of Marine-grade Spar varnish.
Many photos & step-by-step "how to do it".
The process was pioneered by ACORNVALVE, a much respected & experienced TV restorer. None of his processed flybacks have failed after treatment, even many years later.
Web site is ARF (Antique Radio Forums), TV subsection.
https://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=444436
This guy builds & sells modern replacement "couplates" for Philco Predictas.
Couplates are passive R & C components assembled in a sort of primitive integrated circuit.
https://tvrestorerguy.com/
Finally, beware of cooked tube sockets, especially power tubes. Predicta cabinets are badly ventilated, internal temperature can be high and the cheap quality bakelite circuit boards can cook and become brittle.
Best Regards
jhalphen
Paris/France
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