View Full Version : 10BP4 with a G1 Short


Chris K
05-23-2024, 08:27 PM
Filament is fine...a bit of cutoff and good emissions. No HK shorts but G1 reads shorted on my Sencore CR31A Super Mack. I tried the clear G1 shorts function with no change. Comments or suggestions???

Alex KL-1
05-24-2024, 07:04 AM
If CRT is doomed, well, some risky tricks are ok then, since is "already lost"...

Try to charge small caps with ~ 100V (from 47nF up) to see if clean shorts. Or perhaps more µF with less voltage (some electros)?

Probably people here, having far more/longer field expertise than me, can suggest some less dangerous approach

Chris K
05-24-2024, 08:03 AM
The Sencore has a welding function on the rejuvenate/restore side of the tester. I forget how many milliamps it hits it with but there's a bright, blue flash. What I didn't do was tap the CRT neck with the back of the screwdriver while hitting it with the blast. This is the first 10BP4 I've encountered with a serious issue. They have always served my restorations well. I wouldn't call them bulletproof but they are pretty rugged.

Electronic M
05-24-2024, 11:24 AM
I would try the tube in a working TV set before trying something as risky as remove shorts. I had a 10BP4 like that and it worked fine in an actual TV with the short to the point I'd have never guessed if I had restored the TV without testing it.

When you have good emissions don't risk it until you have seen picture on screen to know you have an actual problem.

Chris K
05-24-2024, 12:27 PM
Got it. Thanks Tom. I thought it was a bit weird everything else was fine on the tester. I think I'll reflow the pins first then try the Sencore again.

jr_tech
05-24-2024, 12:58 PM
What do you measure with an ohmmeter between the G1 pin and the other pins? :scratch2:

jr

Yamamaya42
05-24-2024, 02:47 PM
What do you measure with an ohmmeter between the G1 pin and the other pins? :scratch2:

jr

That may be tricky, cause it may or may not change as it warms up / cools off, if it is indeed shorted, the measurement may change as the heater warms it up and things move ever so slightly.

Chris K
05-24-2024, 03:16 PM
A quick stupid question, this tube is in an RCA 630T and has an electromagnetic ion trap. It’ll work like any other 10BP4 if I try it in another set and put a passive dual magnet trap on it correct?

jr_tech
05-24-2024, 03:25 PM
That may be tricky, cause it may or may not change as it warms up / cools off, if it is indeed shorted, the measurement may change as the heater warms it up and things move ever so slightly.

Indeed true... but a quick ohmmeter measurement may provide useful information.

A quick stupid question, this tube is in an RCA 630T and has an electromagnetic ion trap. It’ll work like any other 10BP4 if I try it in another set and put a passive dual magnet trap on it correct?

the type of trap shouldn’t matter.

jr

Chris K
05-24-2024, 04:11 PM
What do you measure with an ohmmeter between the G1 pin and the other pins? :scratch2:

jr


No continuity with any other pin

Chris K
05-24-2024, 04:28 PM
Filament looks really, really strange.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q70/923/NHhzZz.jpg

Yamamaya42
05-24-2024, 04:41 PM
Well. I'd do as EM suggested, try it in something known good, and it it acts weird, THEN PANIC! :D:yes:

jr_tech
05-24-2024, 06:26 PM
Filament looks really, really strange.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q70/923/NHhzZz.jpg

Possibly contacting the grid cup when warm? :scratch2:
Could you repeat the ohmmeter test with the heater warm?

jr

Chris K
05-24-2024, 08:44 PM
Checked just after turning it off. No continuity from G1 to any of the other pins. I'll try it in a TV