I was just looking through CL for Zenith's and Philco's and the like, and I stumbled upon this! (http://huntsville.craigslist.org/atq/5200137444.html) Should I get it? I really like the cabinet. I'd like to get it just so some idiot doesn't turn it into a fish tank or worse - put a modern "Flat Screen" thing in there.

I hope someone here can rescue it!
Cool set.

Is Noo Yawk big ? Is the Pope Catholic ? Does a Big Bear... OF COURSE, you should get it..

I have almost that identical set, in a red mahogany finish, waiting to be restored over the winter :)

OK then! I'll try my best to get it! I really do want to get this TV. The money is really tight right now, but I'll try my best to convice my parents to loan me the money. I can just imagine the looks on the guys' faces when I haul this in at the antique radio club!

Well the former pope was Catholic at least...........
Is Noo Yawk big ? Is the Pope Catholic ? Does a Big Bear... OF COURSE, you should get it..

I'd try to get them down to $50-60 on it so if post restoration you ever need to sell it, you have hope of breaking even.

Well the former pope was Catholic at least...........

The present one seems to be more green and red (and not in a Christmas like way) than Catholic.

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Good eye.

dominus vobiscum

Zeno:smoke:

Does anyone know how much this TV would be completely restored?

just go get it.... It's not like they come along EVERY day....
And it will keep you out of trouble for years.....

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I'd try to get them down to $50-60 on it so if post restoration you ever need to sell it, you have hope of breaking even.



The present one seems to be more green and red (and not in a Christmas like way) than Catholic.

You kinda lost me there!
This guy seems to be a little more progressive! That's what we needed.
At least he likes Jeeps and Harleys. :scratch2:

just go get it.... It's not like they come along EVERY day....
And it will keep you out of trouble for years.....

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The set looks like the TOTL, that year. Some had push-pull output and multiple speakers.

Very few sets have real value. Most that go to non collectors
are for the decorative value & coolness. It is worth what
someone will pay. A collector wants a restorable set that
fits his taste & needs repairs. Restored it is probably worth
less to most of us. This sets "value" is in its brand, quality,
era, and repairability. It is NOT a rare set, tons of them are
still out there. Many rare sets are worth next to nothing.
Compare it to stamps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_Jenny
Rare but there are more rare stamps that sell for much less.
They lack the mystique etc.
So if you got room & like it get it BUT beat him down. You have
no idea if the CRT is good so it is a gamble.

73 Zeno:smoke:



Does anyone know how much this TV would be completely restored?

Right now, it looks like this is going to be a go! Hopefully, I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow.

Relatively common or not, what matters is that you like it. I've paid "too much" for things I like before, but still, no regrets.

I'm one step closer, so now I can cross that off my list. Now for Phase 2 - buying it.

just go get it.... It's not like they come along EVERY day....
And it will keep you out of trouble for years.....

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To the contrary. I was talking about this TV at the radio club the morning, and one of the old "know it all" dudes told me that no one will want to help me because I'm stupid and don't know anything. He said "you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground."

To the contrary. I was talking about this TV at the radio club the morning, and one of the old "know it all" dudes told me that no one will want to help me because I'm stupid and don't know anything. He said "you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground."
Whaaa? Geez, I know some of those guys can be grouches, but that one takes the cake. I'll be he either never worked in a customer service setting, or got fired from every such job.

Ignore that cranky old guy. Plenty of help available here. Even better if you can prove him wrong by getting it working and showing it off. If you can possibly get the picture tube tested, do so. Even better if you can arrange that before the sale is completed. Not much point in starting a restoration if the CRT is dead. Replacements can be had if it is no good: if you are patient a good one will show up eventually.

Thanks guys. I've been watching all sorts off stuff on YT sbout CRT testing and capacitor stuff.

To the contrary. I was talking about this TV at the radio club the morning, and one of the old "know it all" dudes told me that no one will want to help me because I'm stupid and don't know anything. He said "you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground."


I received that line for a few people --when I was young..whom I THOUGHT were friends....and a COUPLE of them... ACTIVELY worked to keep me OUT of this hobby !!

To the contrary. I was talking about this TV at the radio club the morning, and one of the old "know it all" dudes told me that no one will want to help me because I'm stupid and don't know anything. He said "you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground."

He's probably right.... I don't know my butt hole from a ground hole either,
and we had a number of presidents that don't know one from the other too.
Hasn't stopped me from anything in my life, & they got to be president, and I
bet you'll be able to do your stuff too....

I think knowing yer butt hole from any other hole has been over rated for
hundreds of years...... It's a stupid saying... Ignore it......

Did ya- get that tv yet....?


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Oh yeah, the TV! I fergot. I'm going tomorrow after church to get it! I called the guy this morning, offered $40, and he didn't even try to negotiate! It'll be mine tomorrow!

To the contrary. I was talking about this TV at the radio club the morning, and one of the old "know it all" dudes told me that no one will want to help me because I'm stupid and don't know anything. He said "you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground."

Is that the radio club you frequent, like once a month?
Did he ever help you out with one of your radio problems?
I worked with a guy years ago, that told me that. Once he got to know me and what I was all about, we got to be pretty thick. He wouldn't say anything good about anyone, even his own children. He was rather comical at times. :D

Oh yeah, the TV! I fergot. I'm going tomorrow after church to get it! I called the guy this morning, offered $40, and he didn't even try to negotiate! It'll be mine tomorrow!

I hope it's the one I'm thinking about! Push-pull audio and twin 5U4's. :thmbsp:

When I first met the guy, he seemed helpful and nice. He helped me a few times, but as of late, he's gotten pretty vulgar. The radio meet is every Saturday morning. I've skipped a few mornings here and there, but I've been there for the most part. What started the kerfuffle was that everybody was having a class in the common area and he asked why I wasn't out there, and as joke I said "Well I already know all that." I was about to leave anyway, and I didn't have time. After that he said "OK, Then! Draw me a half wave rectifier circuit!" And then it exploded.

What a schweinhund ! None of us including him knew squat
once. I knew nothing but had a strong interest. I read, tinkered,
asked & took classes. Got me almost 40 years with a Zenith dealer
& some of the best times of my life.
So like the urban legend about Bozo tell him "cram it clown !".
BTW lots of help here. All of us enjoy doing it. Just take it slow
& go with the flow.

73 Zeno:smoke:


To the contrary. I was talking about this TV at the radio club the morning, and one of the old "know it all" dudes told me that no one will want to help me because I'm stupid and don't know anything. He said "you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground."

I got the Zenith TV! I got it for only $30. There is only one thing wrong with it. The deflection yoke is messed up and I don't know what to look for. I'll get better pictures when I get home.

Not bad at all. Nice solid wood cabinet. The only TV I have whose cabinet is solid wood is my 1971 Admiral.

I got the Zenith TV! I got it for only $30. There is only one thing wrong with it. The deflection yoke is messed up and I don't know what to look for. I'll get better pictures when I get home.

The plastic covers of the yokes of this era like to rot off....If the terminals etc are not shorting to anything, make a piece of plastic to slip between the centering rings and the terminal (so you don''t get electrocuted while adjusting centering) and call it good.

It appears to have the same chassis as my 1953 Zenith (only the tuner is mounted to the chassis in mine). Watch out for the parts list and schematic having different values listed for one of the vertical caps (go with the vlaue installed)....That royally screwed up the restoration on my 1953 for a while.

Even If the CRT is shot, at 30$ you could get that back in parts if you had to.

I see at least one 5U4..... And a giant Rock Video Speaker ! !I already like it !

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And I'm very happy with my purchase. The set is in very good condition, and I think I will get it working very soon. I had to do one minor repair already, and that was screwing the brass bezel that holds the glass in place. The screws were just sitting there and the glass could have fallen out at any time.

The front of the set.

I hope it's the one I'm thinking about! Push-pull audio and twin 5U4's. :thmbsp:


I have one like that. A pair of 5U4's and P-P 6AQ5 audio. THINK it has doors too. It is in my shed--and WILL soon have to leave there--as I will NOT be living here too much longer.

I forgot to mention that the CRT has been replaced. It has a Raytheon.

I forgot to mention that the CRT has been replaced. It has a Raytheon.

Is it a 21YP4?

I'm pretty sure it is.

Does anybody know where I can find a schematic for this thing?

I have one like that. A pair of 5U4's and P-P 6AQ5 audio. THINK it has doors too. It is in my shed--and WILL soon have to leave there--as I will NOT be living here too much longer.

The styling looked similar to me!
IIRC, the more expensive model, that had dual 5U4's and P-P audio also had 90degree sweep.
The set, just bought is the more common model. Most of that chassis series, had the chassis mounted tuner and volume control. Still a good performing set.

I can't find this model anywhere on Google or anything. I found some similar ones here. (http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-59-ZENITH.htm)

For a manual use the chassis number. Its 19R22
Sources are.
Very large libaries used to have Sams.
Check e-bay, a lot of factory manuals there.
Sams Photofact too expensive IMHO
Free scan from one of us.
Used Sams resellers. Be SURE you get the origional folder
NOT a copy etc.
Avoid any PDF's, copies, or fiche unless they are FREE !
You cant read them half the time.

73 Zeno:smoke:

It's in sams folder 267-16. If you can't find anything, I have the factory manual and can scan the schematic from it.

This looks like the first thing I should address on my Zenith. I'm slowly but surely learning what to do.

Anyone?

Just looks to ME...like the cover on back of the yoke has come off. since this is NOT a color set...you don't have to worry about things like convergence or purity.

IF the yoke is still good (likely)..just re-attach the cover--and go fomr there. A LOT of yoke covers--color and BW_-from the "old days" tend to crumble like this...

Normally when Zenith yoke covers of that period disintegrate the only damage is cosmetic....If those terminals are still exposed with the cover and centering rings pushed back, then remove the cover, and cut a circular piece 1.5" in diameter bigger than the yoke, with a hole in the center big enough for the neck out of a 1/32" or thicker sheet of plastic....This will prevent you from accidentally touching the yoke terminals while adjusting centering (a very painful experience!) or the rings shorting those terminals.

You could even leave the yoke be until the set is working and you are contemplating adjusting centering....It really should not be an issue.

Okay. Thanks for the input. All input is greatly appreciated.

Okay. Thanks for the input. All input is greatly appreciated.

You'd almost swear that there would be a food container with the same diameter cover. Measure the original and look around the house or go to a place like Dollar Tree and look around for that size. :scratch2:

I briefly looked inside the Zenith to find out what tube it has, and this is what I found.

I briefly looked inside the Zenith to find out what tube it has, and this is what I found.
It turned out to be a genuine Zenith CRT, with a Raytheon label.
The 21AUP4 was the answer to the larger 21" CRT's at the time.
The 90 degree 21" CRT's were rated at 258 square inches, where the 70 degree CRT's were 227 square inches. IIRC, the 21AUP4 was a little less than 258 sq. in. Also had a strange sweep angle of 66 Degrees. Why????. :scratch2:

Don't ask me! Underneath the chassis, I found a notice that said something to the effect of "NOTICE - THIS IS A REPLACEMENT RAYTHEON CRT. FILL OUT THIS WARRANTY CARD AND SEND IT TO YOUR DEALER AT ONCE." Or something like that.

Don't ask me! Underneath the chassis, I found a notice that said something to the effect of "NOTICE - THIS IS A REPLACEMENT RAYTHEON CRT. FILL OUT THIS WARRANTY CARD AND SEND IT TO YOUR DEALER AT ONCE." Or something like that.

The code data on the CRT looks like 1963, 9th week. The card should've sent like 52 years ago. At least, the CRT was a high quality replacement. A new tube, not a rebuilt!
The why caption, at the end of my last entry, was questioning the deflection angle of the tube in question. Just an observation on my part. :scratch2:

Interesting that the Zenith tube went out at only 8 years old. Or was that normal for a picture tube of that era?

Interesting that the Zenith tube went out at only 8 years old. Or was that normal for a picture tube of that era?

That wasn't too bad of a life. The 21AP4's used in RCA's and others, the owner was lucky if they got three years life from their CRT.
The newer all glass CRT's lasted a lot longer. :thmbsp:

It also could have been broken by something hitting it..... My uncle's Zenith
B&W set had the screen crack on the face across one corner.... No real evidence
of being hit, no identifiable point of impact. We all never figured out if it just
cracked, or if someone just would not admit to hitting it.... Anyway, new tube....
This was when I was a kid, 1970's Tv was a late 60's 23" or so, really nice
floor model, all knobs on right, with speaker under the knobs, light up channel
changer knob, number in the middle - if anyone remembers the years for that...

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It also could have been broken by something hitting it..... My uncle's Zenith
B&W set had the screen crack on the face across one corner.... No real evidence
of being hit, no identifiable point of impact. We all never figured out if it just
cracked, or if someone just would not admit to hitting it.... Anyway, new tube....
This was when I was a kid, 1970's Tv was a late 60's 23" or so, really nice
floor model, all knobs on right, with speaker under the knobs, light up channel
changer knob, number in the middle - if anyone remembers the years for that...

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The set shown has a safety glass, so a hit from the front wouldn't have broken the CRT. It would've broken the safety glass, which was tempered glass, like auto glass.
Your uncle's set, was probably a B/W set, with the tension frame CRT. It was probably a stress crack, which happened occasionally.
I'm sure, many of you heard of CRT's imploding, even when the TV wasn't on or no one was in the room. :thumbsdn:

Yes it was B&W, no safety glass over the tube...

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I applied power to the Zenith today via alligator clips. There was no picture or sound, but I heard the high pitched squeel. There was also a very pungent odor. I also cleaned all the dust out via Filter Queen.

I applied power to the Zenith today via alligator clips. There was no picture or sound, but I heard the high pitched squeel. There was also a very pungent odor. I also cleaned all the dust out via Filter Queen.

Uhh, it's YOUR set & all, but I might have started replacing Caps, & testing Tubes B4 I'd done that. I HOPE you didn't "Screw the Pooch" over something SIMPLE. But That's just Me, I'm a dumb old Ignorant Backwards Redneck Hillbilly... (grin)

As of right now, it's impossible for me to replace any capacitors, resistors, or do any sort of work on the TV. I have no soldering iron, no parts, no workshop, no nothing. And it's too big and heavy to take downtown to the workshop. So as far as fixing it, I'm up a creek.

You could probably bring the chassis there if your careful, and no one there is going to mistreat it.

Of course it might be time to get a 25$ soldering iron, and an order of caps. I used to work on the floor for the better part of a decade until I got my first work bench.....I can't tell you how many holes in carpet that I've melted.

Just pull the chassis. The CRT is usually mounted on it on
big Zeniths. Typically 4 bolts from under, then the 1/4 inch holding
the tuner & vol. control. Carry with the CRT face against you
so you know where the CRT neck is all the time. Weight is better
distributed that way too. You may need an extra long 1/4", I
will dig up the part # for it later.

73 Zeno:smoke:

As of right now, it's impossible for me to replace any capacitors, resistors, or do any sort of work on the TV. I have no soldering iron, no parts, no workshop, no nothing. And it's too big and heavy to take downtown to the workshop. So as far as fixing it, I'm up a creek.

I unscrewed the chassis and pulled it back about 3 inches yesterday to vacuum the dust out. Perhaps I'll pull it out the rest of the way to make notes of the capacitors and resistors.

You should make the investment in fixing it before going on and replacing all the caps.
That way you get to see if the nearly impossible to get parts are working...
Picture tube, yoke, flyback, etc. Just my 4 cents.... Good Luck...

High pitch squeel = Horizizontal section.
Pungent odor = Burning parts, flyback, yoke, resistor, mouse.....

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As of right now, it's impossible for me to replace any capacitors, resistors, or do any sort of work on the TV. I have no soldering iron, no parts, no workshop, no nothing. And it's too big and heavy to take downtown to the workshop. So as far as fixing it, I'm up a creek.

When I first started out, I did my work on the kitchen table, like others did. I hand carried all the chassis, I worked on. I would remove the CRT and make two trips from the customer's house to mine.
I guess, I was lucky that I gained experience, hanging around a TV shop, all the summer of 1957. I learned how to change CRT's, replace components and minor troubleshooting. That was before I started doing it on my own.

I can't figure out how to get the chassis out. There are wires going from the chassis to the tuner and power-volume knob. I don't see any logical way to disconnect any of them. I want to at least take the chassis and tube downtown this weekend.

The tuner comes out with the chassis, remove the knobs and the screws at the back and the whole thing should slide back and out.

Judging by those slotted holes on the bracket, there's probably a place on the chassis where it can be bolted on while servicing it.

Yeah, the tuner and volume control sub-chassis should be removable by just removing knobs and some screws.

The volume/power also has to come out.

Once you get the chassis out, I would recommend removing the picture tube (very carefully!) and finding a place to safely store it. If there's space in a closet, that's a good location but make sure nothing can fall on it. Then you can move the chassis around for restoration without risking CRT damage. You won't need the picture tube again until ALL of the capacitors, with the possible exception of the square micas, have been replaced and out of tolerance resistors have been replaced. Somewhere along the way you will need to have the tubes tested and a continuity test done on the flyback (Horizontal Output Transformer).
Phil Nelson's site has an excellent article on replacing capacitors:http://www.antiqueradio.org/recap.htm

On mine, which is about a year older, it had a raster and I recapped it a few at a time (doing test power-ups every few caps). I prefer to service those with the tube in place since it is easier to get and keep the chassis on it's side with the tube mounted. The whole chassis/tube assembly on those is pretty solid, and as long as you don't smack the neck real good or take a sledge hammer to anything else, it should be fine.