I was doing some searching and found this article which I think is disgusting in a way,this comes from a MAINSTREAM newspaper I think...

www.timesunion.com/business/article/After-Jan-1-Toxic-tubes-from-old-TVs-5986626.php


These quotes really make me sad

He said there are likely another "five to eight years' worth" of CRTs still in consumers's hands and "that is a lot of tubes." The stewardship council started issuing written warnings to DEC about the CRT glut in mid-2013.Yea and the ppl that have these KNOW EXACTLY HOW LUCKY WE ARE!!

Stockpiles of valueless CRTs also turned up in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Denver and in Arizona. Because of the lead, federal law classifies the tubes as hazardous waste VALUELESS??

Nothing nicer than a CRT and mainstream articles like this trying to make this older stuff LOOK BAD really makes me sick!!!!


WHY DONT THEY DONATE THEM ALL TO SALVATION ARMY????? -- PLENTY OF PPL WHO LOVE THEM AND STILL WANT THEM!!!!!! (Im sure alot they get WORK w/o issues)

Problem is, who wants say a circa 1996 Emerson 32" BPC set? I'd wager nobody.....

Small minded individuals, you should not give them any attention, and not increase
their readership.....

The lead in tubes poses no threat to anyone.... Until the tube is collected, put in a container
shipped to a third world nation, and busted, burned for it's metals, and left to be crushed
into small enough pieces to make it's way into food, and water systems....

And there is more than enough evidence to show that that is exactly what the recycling
of old tv's actually is....

.

I have realized this for some time now...


TIME is running OUT for this hobby !! Every year....our 'treasures" dissapear FOREVER...a bit more. It will not be too long when it will be nearly IMPOSSIBLE_-and likely ILLEGAL--to collect an old tv set...

Yah....... It'll be illegal... That's one to worry about...

.

WHY DONT THEY DONATE THEM ALL TO SALVATION ARMY????? -- PLENTY OF PPL WHO LOVE THEM AND STILL WANT THEM!!!!!! (Im sure alot they get WORK w/o issues)
The Starvation Army would dump them in no time flat, BPC or vintage.

I seriously doubt that possessing old TVs would become illegal. Enforcing a law like that might just be enough of a waste of taxpayer money to cause a huge public outcry. Also, I think even the hipsters are fascinated by the more weird looking ones, and what they want, they get.

I hope hipsters in Romania will start to like C.R.T. tvs too!
Now, here is a really big waste of good things. I guess unleass one quarter of those sets from the filming where in good condition and could be given too poor people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJlhQa3cMBs ... and, shees I think there was an '80's "Sony" Trinitron tv there (the silver one with a glass in front of the screen). Well, but it was in Arad, not in Bucharest.
Marea debarasare = The great rid off. A good way to make people to throw away valuble things (I've seen '50-'60 radios beeing dumped) or that could be easy repaird (not to the mention about all working stuff that had been dumped) and to make them buy new trash.
I managed to save some stuff from a collecting center. No tv unfortenley. The good side of coruption.

They mind as will lock me up with 300 plus counts of possession of CRT sets.
We live in a corrupt gullible era that the public is stupid and believe all the media BS thats out there.

They showed it when DTV hit the airwaves and believe the BS the feds and the media said that digital TV is better then analog and need the channel bandwidth for emergency response radio.

DTV is crap and the corrupt telecommunication corps got they want.

Sorry about the rant.

I now have a JVC 32 inch set in back of my car waiting to get moved into my house once I make a space for it.

Even though the 1989 GE I was given is not something I would normally go after, it stays. I even sourced an OEM remote for it. No more scrapping of good TVs for me.

I consider almost any electronic item I buy to be a long-term investment. I save for quality rather than buying something cheap that will soon need to be replaced.

The Starvation Army would dump them in no time flat, BPC or vintage.

I seriously doubt that possessing old TVs would become illegal. Enforcing a law like that might just be enough of a waste of taxpayer money to cause a huge public outcry. Also, I think even the hipsters are fascinated by the more weird looking ones, and what they want, they get.

Before the local SA closed they offered BPC CRT sets, and I even once bought a 1952 Philco split chassis set from them.

Small minded individuals, you should not give them any attention, and not increase
their readership.....

The lead in tubes poses no threat to anyone.... Until the tube is collected, put in a container
shipped to a third world nation, and busted, burned for it's metals, and left to be crushed
into small enough pieces to make it's way into food, and water systems....

And there is more than enough evidence to show that that is exactly what the recycling
of old tv's actually is....

.


I could go on for HOURS...about what you just said...i KNOW it is true--to some degree.

Years ago--I was with that guy I worked with on tv's maybe 6-8 years back. I was on a house call. The garbage truck was coming around picking up RECYCLABLES. You would expect a recycling truck--to pick up things seperate--but NO. I was a NORMAL PACKER TRUCK--and the guy tossed EVERYTHING into it , normal garbage and recyclables and packed it all into the truck !! This was rumpke_--supposed to be "green" and the just tossed it ALL in together!! So--WHY even BOTHER to seperate--if it ALL goes int the SAME truck ???

I do not really want to go off onto a rant--but for the most part....the ENTIRE "green" agenda...it about JUST THAT...GREEN--as in the type in WALLETS !!

Yeah I know of some schools that make a big deal of separating recyclables only to dump it all into the same garbage hopper....You are right about it being 'monitory green'. The old reds are the new greens, and they have found some ingeniously devious ways to indirectly get their way.

Small minded individuals, you should not give them any attention, and not increase their readership.....Ya your absolutely right!!!!!

This is why I usually do not read mainstream papers,i cannot stand seeing garbage like this!

Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...

Pardon my newbie question, but what does BPC stand for?

Black Plastic Crap

Fine Black Plastic Crafted Designer Table Top Cabinet.....

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Before the local SA closed they offered BPC CRT sets, and I even once bought a 1952 Philco split chassis set from them.
Depends on the district I guess. The head honcho for this province was planning to try to persuade fearless leader to ban TV donations.
Yeah I know of some schools that make a big deal of separating recyclables only to dump it all into the same garbage hopper....You are right about it being 'monitory green'. The old reds are the new greens, and they have found some ingeniously devious ways to indirectly get their way.
Someone ought to film this happening and put it on YouTube. I'm sure it would go viral.
Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...
You and I ought to get together and go bowling.

Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...

Excellent Sandy!!

Problem is, who wants say a circa 1996 Emerson 32" BPC set? I'd wager nobody.....



No problem for me Kamakiri,, I have a 2006 Toshiba with a flat CRT and I love it..oups, it's a 32' and I have a Zenith 1971 CRT 25' that I want to restore...And i'm looking for a some schematics for my zenith...

WHY DONT THEY DONATE THEM ALL TO SALVATION ARMY????? -- PLENTY OF PPL WHO LOVE THEM AND STILL WANT THEM!!!!!! (Im sure alot they get WORK w/o issues)

My local Salvation Army used to accept CRTs. They had one side of an isle filled with mostly post-'90 sets. Months would go by with only a handful selling through in the 10 to 20 dollar range. The congestion eventually got to them and they taped a big piece of paper on their donation door that had "NO CRTs!!" scribbled on it in a juvenile fashion. Only portables below 10 inches in size are stocked these days.

Most people in my area, looking to get rid of theirs CRT(s), place them by the curb with a "free" sign. Over this past summer, I saw at least 8 curbside CRTs within walking distance.

It saddens me that there aren't any electronics-exclusive thrift stores (at least in my area). It would be a good way to keep this stuff out of the rain & perhaps even re-purpose items properly.

Well sure, but would you want 20 or 30 of them? That's the problem.

And it's not just DTV that caused the issue and changeover either. It's that everything is going to HDMI cables.

My 15 year old son needs a setup with HDMI cables for his PS3. I've had it hooked up to standard sets before using an RF converter and a 3 RCA cable setup, but the problem is that some of the game systems don't automatically go to that input, even if the same port on the game system is used. It has to be plugged in to an HDMI port set, then you enter setup, and change the output configuration on the console for it to work.

Since his game system goes back and forth between his mom's house and here, it's far too much of a PITA to do. And with the games he plays, he really needs the widescreen format.

The Sony DLP set in his bedroom has had a weak light engine for the last year (light green blob on the screen), and now there's something wrong with the HDMI port, so I have to pick up a 32" flat screen for him when I get the spare cash.

And it's not just DTV that caused the issue and changeover either. It's that everything is going to HDMI cables.

My 15 year old son needs a setup with HDMI cables for his PS3. I've had it hooked up to standard sets before using an RF converter and a 3 RCA cable setup, but the problem is that some of the game systems don't automatically go to that input, even if the same port on the game system is used. It has to be plugged in to an HDMI port set, then you enter setup, and change the output configuration on the console for it to work.

Since his game system goes back and forth between his mom's house and here, it's far too much of a PITA to do. And with the games he plays, he really needs the widescreen format.

Problem diminished! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-to-RCA-Amplifier-Converter-Composite-Video-Audio-AV-CVBS-720P-1080P-/221648982386?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item339b4f1172)

Well yeah, that'd work, but since they are both into vintage electronics like their dad, there'd be nothing worse as a deal killer to that budding interest than saddling him with a BPC.

The same 15 year old is doing a restoration on an RCA SHF-3 tube stereo and just sold a Victor VV-90 that he brought back to life, and my 11 year old is most of the way through a 1949 Admiral 30A1 television. They enjoy vintage electronics as much as I do, but there's a time and place for that.

He's patient, and will just wait for another one or will end up buying it with his own money.

Well, lessee now... I have ALL SORTS of interests that go AGAINST the grain of what is "Socially Responsible"... I drive one of the WORST gas hogs on the hiway-A V-10 4X4 Excursion, I have OVER 100 Guns of all various shapes, sizes, & calibres, including a LEGAL full-auto Uzi, I have a HOUSEFUL of ancient radios & TVs that have God only knows WHAT kinds of Noxious Pollutants THEY have, & I kicked at a Puppy here the other day.. Not only THAT, but I ALSO tore off the "Do NOT Remove This Tag" from my Mattress...

Sandy
You are welcome to my street anytime. We even got a gun store
with everything from BB's to full autos. No crime, gee wonder why ?
I am sure its not that 90% of the town is armed:thmbsp:

Anyhows break up the CRT's some so they pack well. Take em back to old lead mines & bury them. Its the green way. You would be restoring
the natural enviroment of the mines. Kinda like restoring wetlands
or a fishery. Any leaching of the lead would probably less than before
it was mined.

I too am a tag ripper. I also pull warning tags & grind down
polarized plugs. Even landfilled some mercury cells, oh the humanity !
Its my little way of fighting back. To old to fight tyranny at a
bridge at this point.

73 Zeno:smoke:

about 8 years ago,a couple of guys were going around to antique and junk stores claiming they were from the epa.they were taking sets from owners and threatening them with fines and jail time.here we have fines if you dont take a crt to the recycle center for proper burial.i never saw a shovel in the place.every week a semi leaves the place loaded.unmarked,and unnoticed.my best friend drives that truck.government is out of control.if this is real,then show me the bodies of this situation.why are we living longer if all these things are so deadly?another way to fleece the public

...

and I have a Zenith 1971 CRT 25' that I want to restore...And i'm looking for a some schematics for my zenith...

If you can post the chassis number then I should be able to send you the factory schematic, and possibly the full service manual (though my manual collection is less complete than my schematic collection).

Sandy
You are welcome to my street anytime. We even got a gun store
with everything from BB's to full autos. No crime, gee wonder why ?
I am sure its not that 90% of the town is armed:thmbsp:

I too am a tag ripper. I also pull warning tags & grind down
polarized plugs. Even landfilled some mercury cells, oh the humanity !
Its my little way of fighting back. To old to fight tyranny at a
bridge at this point.

73 Zeno:smoke:
Damn, I've got to visit some time and smuggle a little something back. I might need it if packers come knocking at my door.

I pulled my sheets for laundering last night, so off came the mattress tags. Affixed in accordance with the law eh? Warning tags are an open invitation to me. I removed a bonded Thomson yoke once; the last piece to go had the label that said not to try to remove the yoke.

Damn, I've got to visit some time and smuggle a little something back. I might need it if packers come knocking at my door.

Funny, the folks out here try to acquire those to fend off bears fans...

If those pictures were accurate, and not stock photos, they're mostly old computer monitors. There's no real change here. No one wants 20-30 year old TVs. It was no different back when tube sets were in that age range. You couldn't give away color roundies, or 60's tube sets in the 80s and 90s. Even I didn't want them back then.


There are a FEW under 30 year old tv sets I desire and collect. Those late 1980's NAP sets with the C6 C8 or C9 chassis, 1986-1989 Sears sanyo sets (SOME Of them--ONLY the cold chassis ones --in particular the big, tall 31 and 35 inch console sets they made..the 35" in particular. ), a few RCA chassis like the dimensia CTC 131 or 133. NOT the ctc 140...I HATE that chassis !!) and a few others NO miutsubishi sets !!

Funny, the folks out here try to acquire those to fend off bears fans...
Made me think for a few seconds. ;)

They mind as will lock me up with 300 plus counts of possession of CRT sets.
We live in a corrupt gullible era that the public is stupid and believe all the media BS thats out there.

They showed it when DTV hit the airwaves and believe the BS the feds and the media said that digital TV is better then analog and need the channel bandwidth for emergency response radio.

DTV is crap and the corrupt telecommunication corps got they want.

Sorry about the rant.

I now have a JVC 32 inch set in back of my car waiting to get moved into my house once I make a space for it.

Hahaha.I just added two more sets to my collection.
All the environuts can come get me.LOL....

Those CRT tubes never hurt anybody, unless they imploded. The government and the recycling industry is just trying to make more money off anything that might be consider hazardous. Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energy. Anything can be considered hazardous if used in the wrong way. Yea, we send them over to 3rd world countries, and let them burn them, which is worse than just leaving them alone buried in a landfill. Even the flat screens I believe contain mercury, so are they going to ban those too in time for something newer and better for the environment? Those stupid suit and tie guys in Washington try to force everything on the general public so the big CEO's, and politicians can rake in all the dough. Oh by the way, lets ban cars (people get killed in accidents), lets ban all guns, how about power plants, (they produce pollution), Maybe we can all live on solar power, with our environmentally friendly gadgets. Think they will ever run semi-trucks on batteries? I doubt it!! No fuel, no pollution, but think again, the batteries (if it were possible) would also contain poisonous waste. CRTs, well I'm keeping my old TV sets.

Hahaha.I just added two more sets to my collection.
All the environuts can come get me.LOL....
I have one coming tomorrow, ha.

Good luck to them confiscating my stuff while riding a bicycle.

Those CRT tubes never hurt anybody, unless they imploded. The government and the recycling industry is just trying to make more money off anything that might be consider hazardous. Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energy. Anything can be considered hazardous if used in the wrong way. Yea, we send them over to 3rd world countries, and let them burn them, which is worse than just leaving them alone buried in a landfill. Even the flat screens I believe contain mercury, so are they going to ban those too in time for something newer and better for the environment? Those stupid suit and tie guys in Washington try to force everything on the general public so the big CEO's, and politicians can rake in all the dough. Oh by the way, lets ban cars (people get killed in accidents), lets ban all guns, how about power plants, (they produce pollution), Maybe we can all live on solar power, with our environmentally friendly gadgets. Think they will ever run semi-trucks on batteries? I doubt it!! No fuel, no pollution, but think again, the batteries (if it were possible) would also contain poisonous waste. CRTs, well I'm keeping my old TV sets.
With any luck china will destroy their share of the ozone layer completely and burn themselves off the face of the earth.

I don't think mercury switches are used in cars anymore due to environmental profits, yet the flat panels are loaded with the stuff and designed to break. Ka-ching!

It's a little known fact that the ties those suit dummies wear restrict blood flow to the brain. Not that they were smart to begin with.

Handguns are already banned in Canada. No voluntary trips to the Gottingen Street area for me. Area residents are poor and have to conserve their ammunition, so that keeps gun crime down a bit.

And guns are banned for the POLICE (they call them "gendarmes") in Paris.....look how THAT worked out...

And guns are banned for the POLICE (they call them "gendarmes") in Paris.....look how THAT worked out...
Wow, I'd feel really safe with overpaid security guards for protection.

"Gendunarmes" would be a more appropriate term now.

Those CRT tubes never hurt anybody, unless they imploded. The government and the recycling industry is just trying to make more money off anything that might be consider hazardous. Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energy. Anything can be considered hazardous if used in the wrong way. Yea, we send them over to 3rd world countries, and let them burn them, which is worse than just leaving them alone buried in a landfill. Even the flat screens I believe contain mercury, so are they going to ban those too in time for something newer and better for the environment? Those stupid suit and tie guys in Washington try to force everything on the general public so the big CEO's, and politicians can rake in all the dough. Oh by the way, lets ban cars (people get killed in accidents), lets ban all guns, how about power plants, (they produce pollution), Maybe we can all live on solar power, with our environmentally friendly gadgets. Think they will ever run semi-trucks on batteries? I doubt it!! No fuel, no pollution, but think again, the batteries (if it were possible) would also contain poisonous waste. CRTs, well I'm keeping my old TV sets.



Just two words i will say: I AGREE:thmbsp:

If you can post the chassis number then I should be able to send you the factory schematic, and possibly the full service manual (though my manual collection is less complete than my schematic collection).

Hmm,.. There 's too much stock on it and the set is in a shed in a basement :( but its a Zenith Solid-state.

here is my Set:

http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/16/43/78/89/zenith11.jpg
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/16/43/78/89/zenith12.jpg

Aren't the new swirly light bulbs also considered hazardous waste, but yet they want us to buy those and "save" energyYea and they are CRAP ALSO.... Dont produce as good light,etc......

Complete trash!!

If you can post the chassis number then I should be able to send you the factory schematic, and possibly the full service manual (though my manual collection is less complete than my schematic collection).


No problem in another post i posted the informations ' Zenith Tv solid-state 70's ':thmbsp:

Those CRT tubes never hurt anybody, unless they imploded. The government and the recycling industry is just trying to make more money off anything that might be consider hazardous.

The goverment tried several years ago to ban ammonia household refrigerators by offering $15.00 per appliance to anyone that would turn one in to collection.

And I bet many sheeple lunged @ that!! :(

C'mon, guys ! LAY OFF the Politickin'...Y'all KNOW better...

Sounds like my best friend. She told me that a couple of years back...and so I did. Now--we are at the place where we can't talk about hardly ANY subject--without her going off at me...

Needless to say...our "friendship" is on VERY shaky grounds right now.

If pointing out how it is becoming increasingly difficult for us to collect and store our stiff due to regulations and laws is now forbidden....then we might as well just STOP talking altogether.

C'mon, guys ! LAY OFF the Politickin'...Y'all KNOW better...Sorry Sandy.... We dont want ya to close my thread..... (I guess its just too much of a temptation)

The goverment tried several years ago to ban ammonia household refrigerators by offering $15.00 per appliance to anyone that would turn one in to collection.

Weren't the GE monitor tops the last ones to use ammonia? If so whoever decided to offer that incentive has no concept of what would be needed in real life to get someone to destroy such a prized antique.

Weren't the GE monitor tops the last ones to use ammonia? If so whoever decided to offer that incentive has no concept of what would be needed in real life to get someone to destroy such a prized antique.
Seems to me that the general public places no value on any antique with a cord hanging off it.

Weren't the GE monitor tops the last ones to use ammonia? If so whoever decided to offer that incentive has no concept of what would be needed in real life to get someone to destroy such a prized antique.

Nope, GE at least used ammonia up till at least 1940. My 1938 GE uses ammonia. It's cool to listen to it bubbling in the lines...bloop...bloop.... :)

Neat, I did not know they made them that long.

Jon, That depends on the folks in question. My folks tossed my grandparent's GE monitor top in the 90's only to wish they had listened to me when they later learned crappy ones can fetch a couple hundred.

I don't think there are any regulations about collecting and storing old TV's, they simply don't want them tossed in the trash, river, side of the road, out in the woods etc.
There's a large amount of lead in CRT glass, it does leech out into the ground (and into the water eventually) if it gets broken, like it would if it goes to the landfill.

There are millions of CRT sets in the U.S. alone that will need to be replaced and disposed of eventually even if digital and flat screen had never happened, nothing lasts forever and pretty much all of them newer than 1980 aren't of much collector interest anyway.

There's a road I take home from work that is a dumping ground for old TV's (and oil, dead horses & so on) They all wind up broken and leeching into the ground.

Neat, I did not know they made them that long.

Jon, That depends on the folks in question. My folks tossed my grandparent's GE monitor top in the 90's only to wish they had listened to me when they later learned crappy ones can fetch a couple hundred.

You saw the Monitor Tops at the Landmark and the Terminal in Milwaukee.
Per the owner, Joe, they contain Sulfur Dioxide refridgerant. Not much friendlier than ammonia. If you breathe it, it turns to sulfuric acid in your lungs.
IIRC, they still use ammonia refrigerant for skating rinks and large cold storage warehouses.
BTW, when the large fire occured at the Patrick Cudahy plant, the Cudahy, Wi. police evacuated the town, a two mile radius, from the plant, because of the fire might cause an explosion of the ammonia thanks.

There's a road I take home from work that is a dumping ground for old TV's (and oil, dead horses & so on) They all wind up broken and leeching into the ground.
At least the horses are compost.

Ok, somebody tell me if I'm just plain wrong here...

1) Lead was alloyed with CRT glass back in the 60s to provide shielding for the X-rays produced by HV.

2) A better term than "alloyed" in the case of glass is "vitrification", which means: To change or make into glass or a glassy substance, especially through heat fusion.

4) Vitrification is also used to stabilize nuclear waste. From Wiki (but I already knew this): Long-term storage of radioactive waste requires the stabilization of the waste into a form which will neither react nor degrade for extended periods of time. One way to do this is through vitrification... [waste with water burned off] is fed continuously into an induction heated furnace with fragmented glass. The resulting glass is a new substance in which the waste products are bonded into the glass matrix when it solidifies. This product, as a melt, is poured into stainless steel cylindrical containers ("cylinders") in a batch process. When cooled, the fluid solidifies ("vitrifies") into the glass. Such glass, after being formed, is highly resistant to water

5) Everybody understand this? You cannot, through any natural process, separate (leech) the lead out of the glass. This isn't just me saying this. (http://www.feve.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=84:scientists-prove-health-and-safety-of-glass&catid=9&Itemid=29) You could literally suck on a piece of broken CRT and would be more likely to die from a lightning strike. Further: IX. Analysis of the migration and leaching of heavy metals from glass This study examines the components of glass and the possible impact of heavy metals if present in the glass could have on the environment and when coming into contact with materials. The study is a testament to the chemical stability of glass containers whether it is migration to food or leaching into the environment via landfills or incineration.

6) They vitrify freakin' nuclear waste with glass. I'm a helluva lot more scared of nuclear waste than something that is still used to transport water through municipal water lines (lead), is present in most copper plumbing systems and the wheel weights on your car prior to 2009 (+/- a few years). And none of that lead is vitrified with glass!

7) The "scare" of lead is that it retards your intelligence. For most of society; too late. On this basis, I would argue that most of what I see in the mainstream media is more dangerous than lead.

8) People who know better are lying to people who don't even know what questions they should ask. These people repeat the lie and spread fear. Fear is the greatest human motivator.

9) I question the motivation of anyone who is involved with step 8.

10) 8 & 9 are why I virtually ignore what popular culture dictates that I should care about. I was brought up not to waste things simply because it is stupid, gluttonous and wrong, not to please the one-world-religion "earth god".

I'm just sayin'. :smoke:

...

The lead on those old CRTs never hurt anybody, unless they ingest it. Yea, kids sometimes eat contaminated dirt, and get lead poisoning, (and most of that was from factory's that used lead). but short of that, most all the CRTs buried deep in landfills don't cause anybody any problems. Worse is when they ship them to 3rd world countries to dispose of them, burning the sets and monitors containing all kinds of plastic chemicals, and most likely people are rummaging through the remains trying to reclaim copper, and other metals, among the leaded glass. Gosh when I was a kid, our main water line to the house was made of lead, and us kids never had any problems with lead poisoning. I'm still reasonably healthy for my age, lead or no lead. I think there still is a lot of older houses using lead piping, and somehow that seems more likely to cause lead poisoning than a buried CRTs. The environmentalists have gone way too far.

We had a 'frigerator around 1949-50 that was not a monitor top, but still had the motor and belt-driven compressor enclosed in the top, with a lid for access. It developed a leak, and gawd, I can still smell that ammonia to this day. A while after that was fixed and re-charged, the motor froze up and actually caught fire. 'Twas the end of that fridge.

10) 8 & 9 are why I virtually ignore what popular culture dictates that I should care about. I was brought up not to waste things simply because it is stupid, gluttonous and wrong, not to please the one-world-religion "earth god".

I'm just sayin'. :smoke:
That's pretty much my way of thinking. We don't need a bunch of modern-day hippies telling us what to do.

By the way, I saw your vitrification argument before, and I can't say anything against it.

Here's a more thorough lead leaching test of monochrome and color CRTs

http://www.pca.state.mn.us/index.php/view-document.html?gid=4865

The second table seems to show that it's not the thick, heavy face that's the source of lead leaching out, it's the neck and especially the funnel.

Here's an excerpt from the conclusion:

Since monochrome CRTs do not fail the TCLP test, they
are not considered hazardous waste; therefore, their disposal
does not have to be managed as such. These CRTs are still
considered solid waste. Although 9 of the 30 color CRTs were
also less than regulatory lead levels, 21 of 30 samples did
exceed regulatory levels. Therefore, color CRTs found in
computer monitors and televisions may exceed the regulatory
levels for lead given in Title 40 CFR 261.24 definition for the
toxicity characteristic. These CRTs should be considered
hazardous waste, and their disposal should be managed
accordingly.

Thank goodness for flat panels and their mercury content then. Much safer.

Here's a more thorough lead leaching test of monochrome and color CRTs

http://www.pca.state.mn.us/index.php/view-document.html?gid=4865

The second table seems to show that it's not the thick, heavy face that's the source of lead leaching out, it's the neck and especially the funnel.

Here's an excerpt from the conclusion:

We'll probably have to agree to disagree but here are a few issues I have with this report...

The report itself admits that the Toxicity Characteristic Leaching Procedure (TCLP) is not without controversy. I do not accept the premise that the process represents conditions found in the typical municipal landfill. The procedure breaks the CRT into a 9.5mm size that I find reasonable... But then these pieces are "rotated at 30 rpm for 18 ( 2 h in a 12 vessel rotary extractor. The extract was filtered through a glass fiber filter of 0.8-ím pore size and the sample preserved using 2 mL of nitric acid per 500 mL of sample."

Now you are breaking the glass nearly into its basic silica components. Remember, the 9.5mm size is just a maximum size... There are already many sand-like bits created by using a hammer to break down the crt, per the study's methodology. That 18 hour "rock tumbling" is not something I would expect to see occur in a landfill... At least not in a time frame where naturally-occurring lead might migrate through the same soil. Then they are using an acid to "digest" this mix into a sample that can be passed through flame spectrophotometer.

The extracts were stored at 4 °C until digestion. EPA method 3010A (Acid Digestion of Aqueous Samples and Extracts for Total Metals for Analysis by FLAA or ICP Spectroscopy) was used to digest the samples

Sorry, but that process sounds more like what is done to determine material compounds (un-alloying, for lack of a better term), not the process I would expect to occur naturally in a landfill in even 1000 years.

I am not alone in finding fault with this methodology. Below I began selecting relevant text from a 1999 letter sent to the EPA critical of the text methodology, and I've left it if anyone wants to read it. But in summary it sounds like whoever conducted the study used a method that would basically separate the silica from the lead and give the expected result. Consider that there is money to be made (and government bureaucracies to be propped-up) in re-classifying CRTs as hazardous waste. Funny how water sits inside lead pipes in municipal water systems, yet there is no "push" to replace these systems. Maybe the lobby group and the money just haven't arrived yet for that cause, but does that make it more or less of a risk to health?




http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fyosemite.epa.gov%2Fsab%2Fsabprodu ct.nsf%2FE4B8A8FA09073D7E85257193005F6666%2F%24Fil e%2Feecm9902.pdf&ei=qwTHVOeWH8KhyASmjIKoAw&usg=AFQjCNH14fcIhtSJ2ugNcQeu5_2RM0T7BQ&sig2=2GlpmsPdgXfkcVkhI0arow&bvm=bv.84349003,d.aWw

Waste Leachability: The Need for Review of Current
Agency Procedures... First, the TCLP is applied too broadly. Second, leach
tests, including the TCLP when used to characterize toxicity, can be improved by accounting for additional parameters. In 1990, EPA promulgated the TCLP as a method to characterize the toxicity potential of wastes using a particular worst-case scenario. In addition to its use as a waste classification test, the TCLP is being used by regulators and industry more broadly. The TCLP may be inappropriate in some of these broad applications...

...To be most scientifically supportable, a leaching protocol should be both accurate and reasonably related to conditions governing leachability under actual waste disposal conditions.

...Kinetics: The TCLP is based on an extraction time of 18 hours. This time frame was arbitrarily chosen and does not necessarily bear any relation to an equilibrium state.

...Liquid/Solid Ratio: The TCLP uses a 20:1 liquid to solid ratio. [Is this a realistic representation of what you would find in a municipal landfill? ]

...Particle Size Reduction: TCLP particle size reduction requirements may not
represent field conditions. The TCLP requires that solids must be reduced in size to pass a 9.5-mm sieve before the waste is mixed with the extraction fluid. This reduction in size increases the specific surface area of the particles, which increases the leaching potential. Monolithic wastes have a lower leaching potential due to physical stabilization and the resultant increase in the length of the diffusion pathway from waste into the leachate. Additionally, some processes also provide for chemical stabilization by binding heavy metals in insoluble hydroxide and other complexes.18 Consequently, reductions in leachability that derive from solidification/stabilization associated with monolithic wastes are ignored.

...

I would think the biggest source of lead in an old TV was in the solder. That would certainly corrode in a landfill.

It's also bizarre to me that this wasn't the chosen course for pursuing a haz-waste classification because you don't have to go through the mineral-extraction process used to classify CRT's.

Again, questioning motivations... It may have been that policing the actual scrappage of something as easily disposed of as a circuit board is hard to do. Imagine just having to show your TV's curcuit boards are gone, then you can throw the CRT/cabinet in a dumpster. That's seriously going to cut into the revenue of the haz waste disposers (probably located in NJ). A similar parallel might be requiring scrappers to present "freon removal certifications" for fridges and A/C units. Do you think these items ever arrive in a shape recognizable as an appliance? The fridges are just empty shells and the condenser/evaporator just get shoved in with the old bedspings and aluminum siding.

Curious... where does lead come from? Where do we get it?

Curious... where does lead come from? Where do we get it?

It's Mined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead

It's Mined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead

Ahh! It's like SNL's Quarry brand serial.

"Tastes better, cause it's mined!" :D

It's Mined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead

So... it's already in the ground. And today, they are worried about put it BACK into the ground... where it came from to begin with!

What are they going to do about the lead that's already in mines?? They'll have to get that out, too, so they can dispose of it properly. And who will pay for that??

:D

So... it's already in the ground. And today, they are worried about put it BACK into the ground... where it came from to begin with!

What are they going to do about the lead that's already in mines?? They'll have to get that out, too, so they can dispose of it properly. And who will pay for that??

:D

:lmao:
The sad part is the eco commies are really that dumb...

Uranium is also mined but I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to dump it in your water supply or backyard people would throw a fit.

Uranium is also mined but I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to dump it in your water supply or backyard people would throw a fit.

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Let's not stray from what's really being argued. Lead is a common element in just about all soil. Of all the things one might find in a landfill, lead encapsulated within a glass matrix (not ground into dust and digested with acid before measurement with a flame spectrophotometer) is probably one of the least worrisome materials you'll find.

Classifying CRTs as haz waste is a great money-maker for certain people. With the right test, you can separate the elements and justify the classification. We're all afraid of lead because we've seem the stories of kids eating a diet of lead paint chips... Thousands of times the expose one would receive from a lead pipe... Still quite common in municipal water systems. The hype is so intence, stores are afraid to sell used dishwasher because the might have an old copper/lead sweated fitting attached. Your odds of being beheaded are probably higher than health risks from used dishwashers, but which issue has already been addressed? Lobby groups, err I mean Governments, have their priorities!

Uranium is also mined but I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to dump it in your water supply or backyard people would throw a fit.
Yeah, people get kind of attached to their hair, women especially.

That's pretty much my way of thinking. We don't need a bunch of modern-day hippies telling us what to do.Exactly Jon... Its good to have a strong mind and not let others fill it with crap!!

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