http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1940s-JOHN-VASSOS-RCA-PRE-WAR-channel-1-OLD-ART-DECO-TELEVISION-/111441637584?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item19f27070d0

Alll it takes is two fools.

Obviously the guy with the feedback rating of 17 is a shill. The seller often has some interesting items, but I always cringe when I click on the listing and see who it is. Oh well....remember what the Humongous said in the movie The Road Warrior. "....Walk away....just walk away......."

Alll it takes is two fools.

Yep!

Or one person misreading the listing.
Or one buyer with zero feedback.
Or one shill.

See VK thread:

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=262487

Not unexpected as the same set was previously "sold" on July 20 this year by a seller in New Jersey for $885 to another buyer (and seller?).

Radio10467 is just across the river in the Bronx. The first seller said it made sound but the picture tube did not light up. That auction went to above $6000 before the two higher bids were retracted.

The big misleading "PRE-WAR" in the header did not hurt.

James

The header says "prewar" and the description says prewar design. totally misleading. If this set sold for anywhere near that price it must have been to a collector in Europe or Japan. There's an unnamed vintage TV collector that swears the 621TS was actually marketed prewar as an RCA Model TT-7 as well as a 10" RCA model TT-10. Convincing him otherwise has proven futile.:bash:

-Steve D.

"A Phool and his money is soon parted..."

Just sayn' ...

Obviously the guy with the feedback rating of 17 is a shill.That means he has financial interest right?? (SHILL)

I see it sold!

Obviously the guy with the feedback rating of 17 is a shill. The seller often has some interesting items, but I always cringe when I click on the listing and see who it is. Oh well....remember what the Humongous said in the movie The Road Warrior. "....Walk away....just walk away......."

the humongous "just walk away" that made me laugh out loud. Yes I remember it.:thmbsp:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttKJwvFIgw

This is just SO much nonsense, IMHO. Shill bidders, fake bids, all of it. And eventually, legitimate collectors like us end up being the losers, I think.

If that's for real, the guy who won the auction had better be single, otherwise his wife will kill him five times before he hits the ground.

If that's for real, the guy who won the auction had better be single, otherwise his wife will kill him five times before he hits the ground.

FIVE times ?!? Shit, mine would just be warming up w/5.. (grin) For THAT kind of money, it had BETTER be a brand-spankin'-new New Old Stock set, still in the original box/crate... w/a full compliment of Spare Tooobs, the factory service manual, owner's manual, & a couple of trinkets to give to yr Kiddies..

Looking at the bidder histories, all the three digit bids show 0%-18% bid activity with this seller. As soon as it goes to four digits, the bidder activity with this seller jumps to 50%-100% of bids offered. "Just the facts ma'am."

I am told he comes to Kutztown. I think I know which seller he is. $$$$.

The header says "prewar" and the description says prewar design. totally misleading. If this set sold for anywhere near that price it must have been to a collector in Europe or Japan. There's an unnamed vintage TV collector that swears the 621TS was actually marketed prewar as an RCA Model TT-7 as well as a 10" RCA model TT-10. Convincing him otherwise has proven futile.:bash:

-Steve D.

I've never understood this Steve and have had several conversations myself with people about this. You tell them that the chassis used many miniature tubes that weren't available until during or after the war and they shrug it off. You then get the line "well the cabinets were made pre-war and then stored in a warehouse until after the war". So how did they design a cabinet before the war that was to small to fit any chassis design of the time that used all octal tubes? Do people really think this is how engineering works, the cabinet is designed and then a chassis is made to fit? I guess Vassos had a crystal ball so he was able to designed the cabinet ahead of time :/ Like you say, convincing them of this is futile. Let them believe what they want.

Darryl

It's not a question of believing. They are trying to find some legitimacy to their spin to justify a higher price. Happens with a lot of things in today's world.

Dam I would sell him all of my collection with colors sets and 2 transvisions and both my 621 sets for that.

A little poking around on the Web could have netted all of those bidders a decent 621 for less than a third that price.

I've never understood this Steve and have had several conversations myself with people about this. You tell them that the chassis used many miniature tubes that weren't available until during or after the war and they shrug it off. You then get the line "well the cabinets were made pre-war and then stored in a warehouse until after the war". So how did they design a cabinet before the war that was to small to fit any chassis design of the time that used all octal tubes? Do people really think this is how engineering works, the cabinet is designed and then a chassis is made to fit? I guess Vassos had a crystal ball so he was able to designed the cabinet ahead of time :/ Like you say, convincing them of this is futile. Let them believe what they want.

Darryl
Not claiming to be in the prewar camp, but a few 'devil's advocate' arguments come to mind. While there is no way Vassos would know the chassis size and layout years in advance and no way the cabinets were made pre-war, there is still a possibility that the design could have been drawn up pre-war. A drawing with no actual dimensions, but rather proportion ratios for the cabinet could have been drawn up, and after the war when the chassis was designed the control layout, CRT and speaker placement could have been made to fit a cabinet of the proportional design scaled to fit the chassis...

I'd wager more than a few chassis were only at best half designed before the cabinet team gave them some specks to build to.

Who knows, the Apple III cabinet was designed before the motherboard, but that's a whole different animal.

Fake.

Here's the real kick in the butt: some doofus on craigslist or ebay or at an estate sale will have a 621TS for sale, will do his/her "research" and stumble upon this completed sale, and will set a $7.600 price on the set. No power on heaven or earth will be able to persuade the doofus seller that the set is worth only a fraction of that price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1940s-JOHN-VASSOS-RCA-PRE-WAR-channel-1-OLD-ART-DECO-TELEVISION-/111441637584?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item19f27070d0

Alll it takes is two fools.

Steve...correct me if I am wrong...but didn't a couple of 621 sell this May at the swap meet--for 1K or less--Not working of course--but THAT one did not seem to either !! I was there...and sold a CTC 7 with a very good tube.

Not claiming to be in the prewar camp, but a few 'devil's advocate' arguments come to mind. While there is no way Vassos would know the chassis size and layout years in advance and no way the cabinets were made pre-war, there is still a possibility that the design could have been drawn up pre-war. A drawing with no actual dimensions, but rather proportion ratios for the cabinet could have been drawn up, and after the war when the chassis was designed the control layout, CRT and speaker placement could have been made to fit a cabinet of the proportional design scaled to fit the chassis...

I agree that the basic cabinet design could have been done anytime, and may have indeed been designed before the war. It's when people take a leap and then concoct these stories about the cabinets being made before the war and warehoused or the entire set being a pre-war design where it comes off the tracks.

Darryl

Can't really be a Pre-War--it has a flyback horiz ckt. Pre-war sets used line-powered HV_-like the TRK sets , or the RA-101. !!

rca2000, that doesn't disqualify it as prewar. The German E1 used a flyback:

http://www.earlytelevision.org/e1.html

However, the comments above by tubesrule make it absolutely clear that this set was designed and built after the war.

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A prewar tv sold a year or so ago for only $1900!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

rca2000 - yes, two 621s, one in really fine condition, sold for around $800.

vintagecollect - I wasn't aware of a prewar set selling for $1900. Can you provide details?

No offense, don't you already have most of the prewars TVs that exist, let other people enjoy and cherish history too.........

No offense, don't you already have most of the prewars TVs that exist, let other people enjoy and cherish history too.........
I think Steve, like most of us, just wants to stay abreast of what's going on in the hobby. I know I do. To say a pre-war set recently sold for $1900 and then provide no details certainly makes me curious.

Darryl

Better than 1.9Kilobucks, IIRC someone on here found a prewar Andrea at an estate sale for less than 100$ (I wish I had that kind of luck).

Better than 1.9Kilobucks, IIRC someone on here found a prewar Andrea at an estate sale for less than 100$ (I wish I had that kind of luck).

I was looking for that thread. It was $75 but he talked them down to $25. :lmao: The set was pretty rough but that was still a bargain.

I think Steve, like most of us, just wants to stay abreast of what's going on in the hobby. I know I do. To say a pre-war set recently sold for $1900 and then provide no details certainly makes me curious.

Darryl


And it makes me curious as well. Providing a link would certainly be helpful.

Oh well....remember what the Humongous said in the movie The Road Warrior. "....Walk away....just walk away......."

"... And there'll be an end to the horror...!":smoke:

No offense, don't you already have most of the prewars TVs that exist, let other people enjoy and cherish history too.........Really? Are you serious?

(I don't see any emoticon to indicate otherwise.)

Steve does share his sets for all to enjoy, for anyone who may be interested in going to the museum to see them. That's one heck of a lot better than buried forever in someone's private collection.

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Steve does share his sets for all to enjoy, for anyone who may be interested in going to the museum to see them. That's one heck of a lot better than buried forever in someone's private collection.

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+1

I absolutely agree.

Peter

The museum has a Meissner prewar set in a wood cabinet. We got it from someone who found it on Ebay, listed as an old oscilloscope. He paid $5 for it.

The museum has a Meissner prewar set in a wood cabinet. We got it from someone who found it on Ebay, listed as an old oscilloscope. He paid $5 for it.
Haha, nice. :D

I wonder if junk bonds were involved in the financing?