hi, I was given a philharmonic table top round crt tv. I looked around the web & didnt find much on them. I have been watching bandersentv on youtube so I contacted him. he said this is the place to be. so what I'm looking for is when was my set built, & would anyone here have any schematics for it? I have some pics that I will post. thanks in advace, radar

Sams lists Philharmonic sets, but not a model 8200. Might want to check that model number. Totally possible that it's not listed, but a second look doesn't hurt.

Most of the Sams for the Philharmonic TVs are in folder 173, which I have, and that's too new for your set.

I found it in the Riders index. It's covered in volume 14 with only two pages :( The first has very brief alignment instructions and a voltage chart.

The second page is a schematic. It's a pretty basic design but does include DC restoration. I'll PM you a link where you can download it later today.

Riders TV index lists a Philharmonic Model 8200 in Vol. 14-1, but I can't access that volume.

thanks guys, its a start. the model number in the cabinet tag says 8200 so thats what I belive it to be.I tested the crt with my b&k 440 crt tester, it tested a little weak. I think it will be ok though.

Riders TV index lists a Philharmonic Model 8200 in Vol. 14-1, but I can't access that volume.

It looks like an early version of a Tele-King, the way the power transformer is mounted under the chassis.
Riders always had the coverage mixed in their manuals. They never followed by year. I know that vol. 14 covers 1954-1955.
That model was built a lot earlier. :scratch2:

If I had to guess year 1949-51??? no tuner klunker, Just a tunning cap like a radio.:dunno::dunno:

I would be interested in seeing a photo of that tuner when you get to it. A very few TVs used air variable caps for tuning, including the Pilot TV-37 and the unidentified chassis used in my Scott 800 combo.

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The schematic shows a 13 position switch for the tuner.

The Sonora 302 is another set with variable cap tuning.

IIRC those Arvin metal cabinet hospital sets with the 7" metal cone tubes had var cap tuners too.

bob & phill in picture 5 if you zoom in on it you can see the tuner through the chassis bottom right corner. I will take another picture soon as I put it back in the cabinet so nothing gets damaged or misplaced while Im cleaning up my shop/work bench. the tuner is 13 channel as per the escutchoen on the cabinet. the outer shaft main tuner turns 360 deg no detents, inner also same fine tuner.

If I had to guess year 1949-51??? no tuner klunker, Just a tuning cap like a radio.
I was going to guess it was that type from your picture of the tuner dial. The musical note represents the FM radio band, which your set will tune between channels 6 and 7.
the tuner is 13 channel as per the escutcheon on the cabinet.If it has channel 1 specifically marked on the tuner, then it is from 1948 or earlier. Very nice find!

well we made some headway on the philharmonic yesterday. I went to my tv/radio mentors place with the set. we worked on it for several hours. replaced some caps & out of spec resistors. we now have raster on the top half of the picture tube. but still have some issues. but she is slowly coming to life. :thmbsp:

That's a good sign when there's a raster. Check the ion trap and focus coil/ or magnet.
Ed

well guys, I'm back after a rough year. had some bad stuff happen. but things are looking up. anyhow, I just dug the philharmonic back out. was wondering if any new info has surfaced on my set or if any one has ever seen one? was looking at the knobs and I think they may be off a rca or a philco. there was old glue in them and the tunning knob says UHF VHF off on it in very small letters. I know this set doesn't have UHF. my guess the originals either striped out, broke ,or got lost sometime in the past. I would love to see another set like this so I can see what the heck they are supposed to be. anyhow , glad to be back. I look forward to catching up on what I missed here.

There's a restored one on eBay now, it's missing it's knobs but looks like it works well.

Lookds like it's playing Detour

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-TV-SET-PHILHARMONIC-10-INCH-1949-TABLE-MODEL-MAHOGANY-/301851115240?hash=item4647ba7ee8:g:kswAAOSwiLdV78P Q

There's a restored one on eBay now, it's missing it's knobs but looks like it works well.

Lookds like it's playing Detour

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-TV-SET-PHILHARMONIC-10-INCH-1949-TABLE-MODEL-MAHOGANY-/301851115240?hash=item4647ba7ee8:g:kswAAOSwiLdV78P Q
It's great to see some people living in a dream world. :D

thanks guys, its a nicer cabinet than mine, not sure its worth what they are asking though. I must say, that's the only other one I've seen. missing knobs too. hmmm....

Hello, sorry to rehash an old thread like this but I recently acquired this same exact TV except mine is missing its back cover, and its power/volume knob and its channel knobs, and the channel marker escutcheon.

I was wondering how you went about fixing up your tv which appears to be in about the same condition as mine is in.

I recently acquired this same exact TV
No, you didn't. You acquired one of the same model. 😉

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Hello, sorry to rehash an old thread like this but I recently acquired this same exact TV except mine is missing its back cover, and its power/volume knob and its channel knobs, and the channel marker escutcheon.

I was wondering how you went about fixing up your tv which appears to be in about the same condition as mine is in.

I did a little investigating and found the Meck XQ-776 schematic in Riders 4-2 is a dead ringer for the Philharmonic 8200 that Bandersen mentioned was in Riders 14. Meck XQ-776 is also in Sams 101, folder 5. You'll at least have more service info and pictures if you get yourself a copy of the Sams.

Finding a TV's missing channel marker escutcheon is about as likely as a needle in a haystack. More likely that you'll run across someone with another complete or parts set, possibly the Meck model listed above.

I did a little investigating and found the Meck XQ-776 schematic in Riders 4-2 is a dead ringer for the Philharmonic 8200 that Bandersen mentioned was in Riders 14. Meck XQ-776 is also in Sams 101, folder 5. You'll at least have more service info and pictures if you get yourself a copy of the Sams.

Finding a TV's missing channel marker escutcheon is about as likely as a needle in a haystack. More likely that you'll run across someone with another complete or parts set, possibly the Meck model listed above.

Many early post WWII TVs used the same channel escutcheon as the RCA 630 family...If you can find a picture of your model set (or that chassis cabinet under a different brand) compare the tuning escutcheon to the the 630 and maybe a later RCA like a 9T246 and see if it looks the same...If it does put out a want ad for the RCA part and you should be able to find one quickly.

Many early post WWII TVs used the same channel escutcheon as the RCA 630 family...If you can find a picture of your model set (or that chassis cabinet under a different brand) compare the tuning escutcheon to the the 630 and maybe a later RCA like a 9T246 and see if it looks the same...If it does put out a want ad for the RCA part and you should be able to find one quickly.

Very likely it looks like this picture from the first page. http://videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=184011&d=1408438948

Very likely it looks like this picture from the first page. http://videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=184011&d=1408438948
Okay, we need to look for a square stamped metal escutcheon with the word "channel" at the bottom, numbers in a circle, and musical notes near the top. I don't think I've ever seen one, so I won't check my stash. Can anyone else remember seeing something like that in their parts piles?

http://www.videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=198966&stc=1&d=1565033613

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Beitman's Also Covered this TV, but they only have a schematic and an alignment procedure.

I have a bunch of early Sam's Photofacts in my possession but I don't think I have the one that covered the Meck XQ-776 TV unfortunately, and unfortunately most of the Sam's folders sets I have have had the TV manuals weeded out of them already, so its mainly just radio manuals.

It looks like an early version of a Tele-King, the way the power transformer is mounted under the chassis.
Riders always had the coverage mixed in their manuals. They never followed by year. I know that vol. 14 covers 1954-1955.
That model was built a lot earlier. :scratch2:
At the time of the original thread, I didn't think about Meck. :scratch2:

Another thing about mine is that mine is definitely newer than the OP's Philharmonic TV and thus maybe a different escutcheon because mine actually has a detent tuner in it and not a variable air capacitor tuner like the OP's has and plus I found the original inspection tag inside mine and it had a date of Feb. 1950 stamped on it.

Another thing is that apparently the OP's TV didn't have its original knobs for its tuner on it which means that I'm looking for a completely different channel selector knob than what's on the OP's TV.

I found a few knobs at a webside called Merry Tunes Antique Radio Parts that looked kind of like the knobs I needed for this TV.