View Full Version : GE knob tuners, Save or scrap?
midnx 07-22-2014, 11:25 AM I find my self scrapping discarded TVs on the regular.
Every now and then I find a set that appeals to me and I keep it.
I found these knob tuners in a house that was being torn down and while they don't appeal to me, I was wondering if any of you would want them or any of their parts before they get scrapped. Free for cost of postage.
zenith2134 07-22-2014, 03:28 PM Where are you located?
Jon A. 07-22-2014, 03:47 PM That one on the right, probably a CTC136. The others, probably from before GE got RCA. I don't see many GE-branded sets from this era.
midnx 07-22-2014, 09:33 PM Located in nw wisconsin. Eau claire/twin cities close by.
Fairlane500skyliner 07-22-2014, 10:25 PM Are they all solid-state chassis sets?
Chris
dieseljeep 07-23-2014, 01:22 PM Are they all solid-state chassis sets?
Chris
They look like late 70's to early 80's, all solid state.
The upper left set is a genuine GE. The lower left set, could be a Matsushita sourced GE, made in the Quasar plant in Franklin Park, IL and the lower right set is a GE badged RCA, built after the merger. :scratch2:
midnx 07-23-2014, 07:21 PM Yep, pulled a cover and they all are solid state color sets. 2 even have the service manuals enclosed!!!! All the line cords have been snipped off allready so I made no effort to try to power them up. I can try if anyone is interested?
rca2000 07-23-2014, 09:01 PM I think the one set is an "AA" or "AB" GE set--the one wiht the griplets that ALWAYS need resoldered--or even bypassed. Not too much else went wrong with them, at least not "back in the day". The tubes always seemed to be good in the 13" and 9" sets with this chassis. ...the "portacolor III" sets.
The one below it looks like either a "YA" or maybe an "EC" chassis, the EC also have griplets all over that need resoldered and such. Both late 1970's sets. The YA is better, but liked to lose yokes and safety caps, IIRC. Flys also went in the YA chassis sometimes. The tube is a GE inline tube--they NEVER were real good. But I thi8nk the set is an EC chassis...has that "look" about it.
Never liked either chassis. But I suspect some here do.
radiotvnut 07-23-2014, 09:47 PM The one on the right is a GE/RCA and possibly made after Thomson bought the names. It's a CTC136 and one of the last knob tuned GE/RCA's (was also sold under the RCA XL100 badge). They were decent sets and I have one in a woodgrain plastic cabinet from '87, along with the remote version from '89. The '87 does not mention Thomson, the '89 mentions Thomson Consumer Electronics. The electronic tuned version had the infamous MTT tuner/control module that always has bad solder connections.
radiotvnut 07-23-2014, 09:51 PM I haven't worked on or seen a "YA" set in close to 20 years; but, I liked this chassis a little better than the "EC" and "EM" sets. Those were a real pain to work on and if I saw one on the side of the road, I'd probably leave it there.
Actually, the only genuine GE chassis that I really liked was the "PC" chassis that was used in both 19" and 25" models.
zenith2134 07-23-2014, 09:55 PM I've had both a 17AC and a 13AC and the tubes are really something in those..the emission on both was extremely strong, with blues and reds and greens that were absolutely blinding. and deep in a good way. But the chassis did need work..funny how they enclosed the full schematics and service manual, whereas most mfrs would just paste a simple schematic on the inside of the cabinet.
rca2000 07-23-2014, 10:12 PM I haven't worked on or seen a "YA" set in close to 20 years; but, I liked this chassis a little better than the "EC" and "EM" sets. Those were a real pain to work on and if I saw one on the side of the road, I'd probably leave it there.
Actually, the only genuine GE chassis that I really liked was the "PC" chassis that was used in both 19" and 25" models.
The PC chassis was not too bad. Not hard to repair, but fly's did die on them some, in the 1980's early 1990s. that cap in the vertical and the one in the B+ line accounted for probably 75% of repair on them, (along with the centering control) back then The PM was thew cold version of the PC< often with a stereo amp and AVIO setup.
I have one EM console set. At least they have a VRT with a cold power supply, but those griplets ruin everything else. Mine has a picture --not good, not sure about the tube. It is a modern looking inline tube.
And I thought the YM chassis was not too bad. A lot like the YA/YC, but it had a VRT cold power supply and was in 25" sets. It had that not-too-good inline GE tube too. I have one with the digital tuner in my mom's old room, a 79 model. tube is fair, that Ep77X70 fly has been change twice--since I got it in 1988. Until I moved to this house....it was a "daily driver" . Since then--it has seen almost no use. I turned it on some time ago--and it seemed not to have much green in the snow....the green looked a bit weak...but I did not leave it one long either.
And you may not remember the "MA/MB" chassis GE had--from the early 1970's. It was modular and pretty reliable. The tubes were not too bad--in the 1980's--the last time I saw one. I actually like that chassis. It looked a lot like it's successor--the YM. No doubt the YM's layout was influenced by the MA/MB chassis.
rcaman 07-24-2014, 10:56 PM i have 3 ge 19" ya sets all have a great picture i pulled these out of the shed a few months back and fixed all 3 of them. i always liked them and they did have a good bright picture. my 3 have excellent crt's and they have been used. i have a 1975 a 1977 and a 1978 one of these is a yc chassis
Fairlane500skyliner 07-24-2014, 11:30 PM As a matter of curiosity, when did GE release its last colour television model line using a tube/tube-hybrid chassis? I'm guessing sometime in the 1970s? :scratch2:
Chris
radiotvnut 07-25-2014, 03:01 PM GE made the 10" tube porta-color at least until '77 and possibly as late as 1980. I think the last 19" hybrid was the CD chassis, made until around '75-'76. The CD was an updated version of the older C-1 and C-2 chassis. Somewhere over here, I have a C-2 19" from around '72. The porta-color used an inline tube. The others that I mentioned used a delta gun tube. I think I've seen the photofact on a 15" GE tube chassis color TV with an inline tube; but, I've never seen an actual TV. I have seen an early-to-mid '70's 15" solid state GE color set with an inline tube and I think it used a QA chassis.
I've had my hands on one MA chassis set, a 25" console with a delta gun CRT. The CRT was toast with a brightener hanging off of it, along with the HV circuit having gone through a meltdown; so, that set got junked. The few YM's that I've had all had bad flyback transformers and/or weak CRT's. I replaced the flyback in one during the mid '90's and the the local parts house happened to have one left in stock. It was also on the expensive side - about $60, IIRC.
I've also seen one or two KD and KE chassis tube consoles from the late '60's/early '70's and I had one cheap GE console from the early '70's that used the same power transformer-less hybrid chassis as the 19" portables.
There was also a BC chassis, used in 13" and 17" sets during the early-to-mid '80's. The main chassis module was supplied by Matsusushita and was a flyback blower. I think the tuner was the same used in other GE's (these sets still had a manual in the back). Not long before GE sold out, they started using a Matsushita chassis in some of their 25" sets. This chassis was a dog that also liked to eat flyback transformers (TLF14423F was the flyback part number, IIRC). Right at the end, there was the MK-II chassis that was made by Matsushita. This one had an orange disc cap in the HOT collector circuit that would burn and the CRT's didn't hold up well in these. GoldStar also supplied some sets to GE. Currently, I have an '86 13" GE (NF chassis, IIRC) that's GoldStar all the way). The label says it's made in the USA and it might have been assembled at one of the GE plants; but, it's really a GoldStar. Except for the BC chassis, none of the other sourced sets that I mentioned had a manual in the back.
The main B&W's I remember were the SE and SF chassis tube sets of the early '70's and the XA 19" solid state and the XB solid state that was used in 12" and 15" sets. The XA and XB was used from the mid '70's until the early '80's, when GE started sourcing their B&W sets. I have a 12" GE from '83 that uses an XC chassis; but, I think it was actually sourced from Samsung. I also remember those mid '60's GE B&W's that were so cheap that they did not use an actual CRT socket. Instead, the terminals simply slipped over the CRT pins. I don't remember the chassis number; but, there was also a version that contained a built-in clock radio (AA5-tube chassis).
Speaking for my area, GE's really didn't stand the test of time like Zenith and RCA; so, by the time I started picking up old TV's in the early '90's, most of the older GE's had already been dumped. The only exceptions were the porta-colors and the 12" B&W's. Today, I don't even see those very much.
In '86, GE bought RCA and quickly closed down the old GE plants. At that point, GE TV's were either rebadged RCA's or one of the imported sets. Around '88, GE sold the RCA/GE names to Thomson and it was all over at that point.
zenith2134 07-25-2014, 04:12 PM Those GEs are really nice, rcaman. I like the stands too.
midnx 07-29-2014, 11:40 AM ok, so we have established what they are. any takers?:no: They get scrapped at the end of the week.
rca2000 07-29-2014, 02:40 PM Where are you at anyway??
Jon A. 07-29-2014, 07:39 PM Located in nw wisconsin. Eau claire/twin cities close by.
Quoting this to expedite the answer.
zenith2134 07-31-2014, 08:02 AM I would certainly save the "genuine" GE, the 'AA'/'AB'/'AC' one in the picture....It's small enough to save from the dump and think about it, it's an American made set, with an American made CRT..How many CRTs built in USA are really going to be out there in 20 years? No one is rebuilding anything, not that they'd ever rebuild an inline-gun CRT like the one in that GE..But still. I always save portables..too easy! Consoles, I understand not being able to salvage .
midnx 07-31-2014, 10:06 AM Ok, will grnt the upper left one amnesty. :yes: The other 2 I will gut and save the chassis/knobs/tuners for a while yet. Space here is beginning to become an issue:tears:
Jon A. 07-31-2014, 01:23 PM I don't know if the lower right one is worth saving that stuff from, it's just a plain-Jane RCA CTC136 chassis.
DavGoodlin 08-01-2014, 03:24 PM Griplet I set gets amnesty! I fed more solder into those 13" AA thru AC sets than I care to remember. But they really did look great when all done! I just dropped a woody-plastic 1987 Thomsen GE 25" with a CTC149 chassis (built in Indy?) off at Habitat Restore. i would have dropped at waste center but it looked too good:)
BTW Ditto on most of the GE comments as I worked for some GE dealers 1979-86 - I liked late 60s sets chassis with KC-KD-KE the most because they were mostly tube sets but the tuners were not so great.
Findm-Keepm 08-28-2014, 05:37 PM FYI, most VHF tuners have a dual-gate MOSFET for a mixer and RF amp. I've got a ham buddy that harvests the MOSFETs from VHF manual tuners from the 70's - he uses them in his ham gear repairs - they are apparently useable at all VHF frequencies, and he appreciates the ferrite beads in the tuners as well. I dunno if there are any other uses for the VHF tuners.
I remember when the continuous tune UHF tuners were all the rage - by modifying the plates, the tuners could tune in above 1 GHZ, and still produce a 45-55 MHz IF output. I guess the varactor tuners ended that rage. The varactor tuners from Zenith were sought after for cable descramblers - some Hotel/motel sets had the hardware to do Suppressed Sine decoding. PTS required a hefty dud fee on those, I recall. We serviced some that were used in Navy barracks, but didn't use the SSI decoding, as our cable system used an addressed system.
Cheers,
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