Bought this Monarch "Hi-Fi Master" Plastic Tube Midget AM Radio on ePay for a reasonable price.
Seemed like it was in near mint condition.
I'm not sure what year it is from, but probably mid 1950's to 1962.
It has the 'CD' markings on it so it pre 1962 for sure.
It is a very small 5 tube radio measuring 6.5w x 4.5h x 3.75d inch

Video here: http://youtu.be/80x6fyxQTR0

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C'yoot Widdle feller...(Boy, I just LOVE drivin' my Spell-Check Nutz...)

Said it over on AK...that sucker is dead mint! :yes:

Said it over on AK...that sucker is dead mint! :yes:

Close, but it's Aqua color. :banana:

Close, but it's Aqua color. :banana:

:lmao:

Close, but it's Aqua color. :banana:

"I'm a Barbie Gurrrl, inna Barbie Wurrld..." I've TOLD youse guys DON'T Get Me Started...(grin)

"I'm a Barbie Gurrrl, inna Barbie Wurrld..." I've TOLD youse guys DON'T Get Me Started...(grin)

lol
I actually owned that CD back in the 1990's...:tears:

This category of radio is exactly the kind of thing I like, great find!

This category of radio is exactly the kind of thing I like, great find!

I just wonder how many of those things were sold. A lot of those were trashed because they were so inexpensive to begin with. A simple repair would equal half the cost of the radio, new.
The one shown, has the Los Angeles inspection label on it. All the Monarch or Monacor line operated products had it.
In some locals, electrical products couldn't be sold if it didn't have approval by a recognized testing agency.

That is one nice looking little radio. I was always partial to the styling of the little imported AA5's from the end of the tube era. The quality was usually a little questionable, but the styling sure made up for it.

That is one nice looking little radio. I was always partial to the styling of the little imported AA5's from the end of the tube era. The quality was usually a little questionable, but the styling sure made up for it.

They were really inexpensive and the circuitry was really lacking. It doesn't appear to have any AVC circuit and all of them had a single tuned 2nd IF coil. The IF band width was very narrow, so the fidelity was poor. Coupled to the tiny speaker and output transformer, made it even worse. :sigh:

I just wonder how many of those things were sold. A lot of those were trashed because they were so inexpensive to begin with. A simple repair would equal half the cost of the radio, new.
The one shown, has the Los Angeles inspection label on it. All the Monarch or Monacor line operated products had it.
In some locals, electrical products couldn't be sold if it didn't have approval by a recognized testing agency.

How many survived ? It's plastic, 1 drop and *bam* - garbage ! lol

btw, I have not seen a smaller sized Tube radio !

How many survived ? It's plastic, 1 drop and *bam* - garbage ! lol

btw, I have not seen a smaller sized Tube radio !

You're mentioning the mortality rate. Same thing with the early Japanese transistor and the tube type pocket size portable radios. Combine that with the high cost of operating the pocket tube sets, didn't help either. :thumbsdn:

Someone on another forum mentioned these are killer radios, meaning they can kill you if you poke inside with a metal object, such as a knitting needle or a straightened paperclip or if faulty, you touch any of the external metal - of which there seems to be quite a lot on the back.

Modern Class II items require two pieces of insulation to break down or get bypassed before danger can arise. 1950s/60s live chassis sets require just one failure or no failures combined with operator error.

Is this true ??

Yep, it's true. Hot chassis sets can zap you if you touch any of the metal surfaces while there is any power going to the set.

Yep, it's true. Hot chassis sets can zap you if you touch any of the metal surfaces while there is any power going to the set.

Why would the Japanese build them like this ? Did they want to kill Americans after WW2 ?

Why would the Japanese build them like this ? Did they want to kill Americans after WW2 ?

We built them the same way in America before and after WWII....In fact the early ones we made in the 30's before designing the tube filaments to properly drop the entire line voltage were even more dangerous as the third wire in the cloth power cord was the dropping resistor for the filaments, and it had a reputation for getting hot enough to set the insulation on fire...They called those sets curtain burners.

I own and have gotten shocked by some American hot chassis sets. As long as you are not well grounded it don't really hurt, it just tingles a bit.
There were UL approved hot chassis sets that were potentially lethal like their non-approved brethren...They would just not kill you as hard/easily.

Cute radio! It appears to be slightly smaller than the little 5 tube Emerson radios shown on this old "Small & Cute" thread:
http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=251125
Love the color... great find!

jr

Edit add: Old thread about somewhat dangerous METAL cased sets:
http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=251051

Why would the Japanese build them like this ? Did they want to kill Americans after WW2 ?

If you look at your radio, you'll find, an interlocked back panel, set screw knobs and the metal strip holding the chassis and the back panel, isolated from the hot chassis. It wasn't any more dangerous than any other radio made at the time. :scratch2:

If you look at your radio, you'll find, an interlocked back panel, set screw knobs and the metal strip holding the chassis and the back panel, isolated from the hot chassis. It wasn't any more dangerous than any other radio made at the time. :scratch2:

So if I touch these back metal parts of the radio, while it is on, I will die ?

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Years ago, I had a metal-cased Arvin model 540T AM radio. The case was green, the knobs plastic, and the radio used a short wire as an antenna, with a terminal on the back cover for an external one if the owner was in a weak-signal area and wanted to use an outdoor wire. Mine worked well for what it was, but as others have noted for radios of this type, it was a hot-chassis set; as such it could give the user a good shock if he/she touched the chassis or the external antenna terminal and ground at the same time. The chassis was supposed to be insulated from the cabinet by rubber grommets, but these often dried out over time, became hard and even conductive, effectively connecting the radio's hot chassis to the metal cabinet and, again, creating a serious shock hazard. I once read, in an old appliance repair magazine of the '50s-'60s, of one such radio that was installed on a shelf in a bathroom. The user was in the tub and tried to change the station or adjust the volume while still in the water; the radio somehow fell into the tub, and the lights went out when the house fuses blew. This could have had a very sad ending if the fuse hadn't blown, of course: the person in the tub could have been killed instantly by electric shock as soon as the radio hit the water.

One of the best things to happen to table radios, IMO, was the introduction of all-solid-state sets in plastic cabinets. This all but eliminated the shock hazard, unless the user ignored the warning on the back cover against removing said cover while the radio was plugged in and turned on. Some of these solid-state AC radios had interlock plugs on the back covers, as were commonly used on televisions and tube-type radios of the '50s-'60s, in an attempt to prevent such disasters.

Of course, the best way to prevent such accidents (and their horrible consequences) is not to use any kind of electric or electronic device (with the exception of electric shavers or hair dryers) in a bathroom or kitchen, although today's National Electrical Code requires that ground-fault circuit interrupters (GFCIs) be installed in bathrooms, kitchens, laundry areas, etc. of all new homes, or when upgrading the wiring in an older structure. Still, however, I would never put blind trust in a GFCI that it would work in every circumstance, or deliberately trip one just to see if it works, although most GFCIs have a test button which will do just that. I read an article in Popular Science or some other hobby magazine some years ago which stated, point blank, that GFCIs, fuses, circuit breakers, etc. are like fireproof buildings: good to know but unwise to test.

So if I touch these back metal parts of the radio, while it is on, I will die ?

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Those are the items I mentioned, as isolated from the line.
IIRC, the rivets near the top, are for a metal shield, to keep the cabinet from being damaged from the heat of the output and rectifier tubes.

All the metal cased Arvin radios I've seen and worked on, have a floating B- line, with a capacitor from the B- to the chassis.
The cap will pass a small amount of AC voltage to the metal cabinet. It will probably trip a GFCI receptacle, as they are designed to trip at about 20ma leakage. That is dependent on the position of the line plug. Also, if the switch is on or off.
All the receptacles in my workshop are GFCI protected. :thmbsp:

As I have previously mentioned, I am still unsuccessfully looking for one case of a person being electrocuted by 120 V power line. Everyone is paranoid (including UL) but all it seems to do is give people a shock. I get more damage from grabbing the wrong end of a soldering iron. I have been doing that for about 70 years and am still alive. Not to speak of the even higher voltages I have felt.

120 V can kill!
http://ecmweb.com/content/case-120v-electrocution-mystery
jr

I wouldn't mind if that l'il cutie could kill-I still wouldn't mind havin' it ! And if it did, So What ? At least I Went out doin' somethin' I like-Playin' w/a Radio... Better that, than rottin' away in a bed somewhere, pipes & tubing runnin' out of yr Guttiwuts 10 places...

After reading that link I am still unconvinced. It's not clear that a life was lost due to electrocution; there isn't enough information to be sure.

If indeed it was electrocution, apparently it wasn't instantaneous and the guy descended the ladder in a state of shock. His vulnerability to heart trouble wasn't established.

So I agree that it can happen that someone can be electrocuted by 120V. But as stated in the article, it is very rare. If you are elderly, or have a history of heart problems, it's wise to escalate your precautions.

On the other hand, I am 81 years old and recently have received several 120V shocks with no ill effects. Maybe I'm an exception or maybe the character of the shocks was such that current didn't reach my vulnerable areas.

The bottom line is that I still feel that there is excessive paranoia here. It's much more likely you will be killed in an auto accident or by a temporarily insane mate or acquaintance, yet very few people seem concerned over the possibility, certainly as compared to 120 V shock.

Just don't touch metal
On the back of an ac/dc radio when it's plugged in... Then no
Problem, the knobs are Always plastic

Just don't touch metal
On the back of an ac/dc radio when it's plugged in... Then no
Problem, the knobs are Always plastic

Ya but what I dont understand is if they knew this could possibly be a safety issue, why in the world did it pass inspection ?
What would it not have rubber to cover the metal parts on the back or something like that ?

Ya but what I dont understand is if they knew this could possibly be a safety issue, why in the world did it pass inspection ?
What would it not have rubber to cover the metal parts on the back or something like that ?

People were ASSUMED to have a SMIDGEON of common sense back then, unlike today..

Yes, common sense. And we were told not to stick our fingers in the fan, which had a wide open cage. Probably most of us had a little experience as a kid experimenting with a plug and receptacle in some way that taught us how electricity bites. Even today if you want to get bitten you can still stick your finger or a fork in the toaster.

No one is talking about sticking your finger inside the radio when it's on,
we're talking about the exposed metal parts on the back of the radio !

No one is talking about sticking your finger inside the radio when it's on,
we're talking about the exposed metal parts on the back of the radio !




As I mentioned before, the hardware and the metal mounting rail, holding the chassis, is isolated from the hot chassis, by means of insulated washers, used on the hardware. That Monarch radio is a little higher end, than a lot of the cheaper offerings.
I found, working on that type radio, that they all had the same setup, regarding chassis isolation. :yes:

As I mentioned before, the hardware and the metal mounting rail, holding the chassis, is isolated from the hot chassis,

ok then... it is safe ! :smoke:

There were hundreds of thousands (likely millions) of hot-chassis AA5 type sets produced over about a 30 year span. Were they inherently dangerous? Meh. Most people who used 'em managed to survive, LOL.

That said, these sets are now well beyond their expected service life and my have developed problems (missing rear covers, leaking capacitors, disintegrated chassis insulators) that should be addressed before putting them back in service.

If you're really concerned about safety, run 'em off an isolation transformer.

Yes, common sense. And we were told not to stick our fingers in the fan, which had a wide open cage. Probably most of us had a little experience as a kid experimenting with a plug and receptacle in some way that taught us how electricity bites. Even today if you want to get bitten you can still stick your finger or a fork in the toaster.

Yep. My Dad told me to NOT fool w/the electrical outlet in the wall when I was a kid... Knowing better than my Dumbass Old Man, I kept on until it bit me good, & I ended up on the floor screaming blue bloody murder. My mother & grandmother rushed to my aid, but Daddy told 'em to leave me alone, it might teach me a lesson..I wasn't really hurt, just startled more than anything, & ol' Henry was RIGHT, I never bothered a wall socket again... Kinda started paying a bit more attention to him after that, too..

ok then... it is safe ! :smoke:

:nono: Not so fast , there Robb !

You have only ONE real way to know if it's "safe" or not , without even taking it out of it's enclosure . Got a voltmeter ?

Good , now , set it to read AC volts in around the 250 volt range . Plug in the radio and turn it on . Take the voltmeter and with one test lead connected to a proper ground , use the other test lead and touch every metal screw and any other exposed metal you see . Got no voltage showing ? Great , now , reverse the plug in the outlet (provided it don't have one blade bigger than the other) and do the test again . Do this with the radio turned off (but of course still plugged in) as well . If under ALL conditions of the above test you get no voltage , THEN and only then can you proclaim it "safe"

PS , it's usual technician practice to verify the actual working status of the voltmeter before ANY tests are done . This will be as simple as , once you have established a good proper ground for one of the voltmeter's two test leads , probe a known "hot" voltage point with the other test lead (the hot side of the outlet you'll be plugging the radio into is a good place to test) . Once you have in fact verified the actual working status of the meter then go and do the test I described above .

Good Luck with it :thmbsp:

The toaster has open slots where the toast goes in: those hot wires are live in there. Solution: ban all toasters!

The toaster has open slots where the toast goes in: those hot wires are live in there. Solution: ban all toasters!
Most of the toasters, built in the last 40 years, have double pole switches, that open both sides of the line. When the elements are off, nothing inside should be live. I don't know about the newer ones, as many have an electronic timer board and a relay. :scratch2:

Ban all stoves. You can get burned.

Ban all stoves. You can get burned.
Ban cars
Ban Trucks
Ban Motorcycles
Ban Guns
Ban Scissors
Ban Knives

Ban salt and water as both can be lethal if consumed in too great of a quantity...Ooh and ban good tasting food too as it can cause obesity(which can lead to an early death) in those that lack self control.

Seriously!...Anything can kill you if you want it to or are not smart, careful or lucky.
People were smarter before we tried(which is futile because the world can NEVER be made totally safe) to eliminate survival of the fittest in human society.

Found this on ebay and couldnt pass it up.
Came with box as well. Works and looks like new !


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Ban salt and water as both can be lethal if consumed in too great of a quantity...Ooh and ban good tasting food too as it can cause obesity(which can lead to an early death) in those that lack self control.

Seriously!...Anything can kill you if you want it to or are not smart, careful or lucky.
People were smarter before we tried(which is futile because the world can NEVER be made totally safe) to eliminate survival of the fittest in human society.
DHMO is by far one of tne of the worst offenders..

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Rob, it is a beauty... nice find. I like the city of los angeles approval sticker on the back.

Rob, it is a beauty... nice find. I like the city of los angeles approval sticker on the back.

Where's the warning on the plastic bag that the set was packed in. Like keep out of reach of childen, don't use in baby cribs, etc.
Maybe people were more intelligent, 50 or so years ago. :scratch2:

Where's the warning on the plastic bag that the set was packed in. Like keep out of reach of childen, don't use in baby cribs, etc.
Maybe people were more intelligent, 50 or so years ago. :scratch2:

Yes but the fact that one of the cheapest radios around is called a "hi-fi master", shows that although some things have changed, others have stayed the same!

DHMO is by far one of the of the worst offenders..

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Ya DHMO is bad stuff, I was told that Penn & Teller went to an environmentalist convention and convinced a whole bunch of them to sign a petition to ban it. The trouble with that is that though it is bad stuff the average person is made of about 70% DHMO by weight (! :yikes: ) so significant scientific advances will be needed to develop a human safe alternative. Liquor seems an appealing alternative, and some have tried to convert their bodies over to it already...:beer: :drunk:

Yes but the fact that one of the cheapest radios around is called a "hi-fi master", shows that although some things have changed, others have stayed the same!

The cheapest made things back then were still quality by todays standards !
They did not understand how to manufacture "cheap" back then !

Ah, those thing bring back memories. IIRC, it was a few days before Christmas 1965 and a fairly large box arrives (our house in S.E. PA) with wrapped presents; I was seven then. Four of them were identical: tagged to me, bothers and sister. This box was from my uncle Gerry in CA (an E.E. for International Rectifier, and pilot, and general know-it-all). Christmas morning and yup each of us got a different color Monarch like that. We had them fail over the next few years, try to fix them, and the last one was finally tossed by the end of the decade or so. I think getting those presents helped set me off in the tracks of my older brothers to pursue electronics and how to fix stuff. Thanks Robb for opening up this time capsule/thread.

Tom (PK)

The cheapest made things back then were still quality by todays standards !
They did not understand how to manufacture "cheap" back then !
If you look inside, it's obvious, how much hand work went into it. Some models had screws and nuts, instead of rivets, even for the tube sockets.They would use a spot of paint on the threads, a form of Japanese Loctite.
The real low-end models, didn't have any inspection approval labels and the line cord was real thin, like found on Christmas lighting items. :boring:

Hey rob, any chances we could see the inside?

This little radio has the type of power cord used on TV's of the time. If anyone is looking for one they have them at Surplus Sales of Nebraska, they used to call them cheater cords. When you take the back cover off the power cord came away with them to service the TV you needed a "cheater cord" to power it back up for testing.

http://www.surplussales.com/Electrical/ElecCords-1.html

This little radio has the type of power cord used on TV's of the time. If anyone is looking for one they have them at Surplus Sales of Nebraska, they used to call them cheater cords. When you take the back cover off the power cord came away with them to service the radio you needed a "cheater cord" to power it back up for testing.

http://www.surplussales.com/Electrical/ElecCords-1.html

Twenty bucks a copy! I don't think so. :sigh:

heres a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlR5AH-E7Ew&list=UU9uww3n08iilZlA6BPw9HFQ

This is what typical JAA5's look like under the chassis:
http://www.wa2ise.com/radios/jaa5c.jpg

Scary !

This is what typical JAA5's look like under the chassis:
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I love those big old clunky resistors. That's like a one watter.
The "Ten" branded tubes were good quality. :thmbsp:

Well, they WON'T displace my R-389, but they still have a certain charm, I guess, in a weird kinda way..