View Full Version : I almost have a '76 Zenith 19" space command CCII in my possession


radiotvnut
12-08-2013, 10:45 PM
A friend, who frequents estate sales, picked up a bunch of stuff for me. Even though he didn't ask before hand and even though he paid a little too much for some of it, I went ahead and took the stuff because I'm afraid if I turn him down, he'll stop picking up stuff for me.

One of the things he picked up was a G-line ('76) 19" Zenith chromacolor II space command. This set uses a long electronic ultra-sonic remote and has a vertically arranged electronic tuner. It's the model where the fornt is angled up. It actually looks like the first color TV I ever fixed, except that set had a four button mechanical clicker remote (was probably a little older). He said that this set was still in the bedroom and plugged in; so, there's a good chance it works. I don't actually have it here yet because it was raining and I didn't want to get it wet. He paid $20 for this set.

The other stuff he picked up was a 13" silver Sylvania/Funai TV/VCR combo with remote for $20 (no idea if it works, I sure hope it does), A concert hall wildcat record player with a frozen two speed BSR changer for $20, a late '60's Arvin solid state console stereo in so-so cosmetic shape for $30, a pair of cheap '70's stereo speakers for $12, A circa 1960 King two-transistor "boys radio" for $5, and a mid '60's small Panasonic AM/SW radio for $10.

Hopefully, I can get my $20 back out of the TV/VCR combo and might get a good price for the wildcat phono, once I service it. Even the Arvin console stereo might sell, since people around here have been buying working console stereo's lately.

Like I said, I think he paid a little too much for some of this stuff; but, I'm still happy to get the stuff and I will post pictures of the Zenith CCII when I get it.

mpatoray
12-08-2013, 11:27 PM
That sounds like a very nice set! Hopefully there will be a video on it soon :)

radiotvnut
12-10-2013, 05:51 PM
Here it is, using a 19GC45 chassis and made in July, 1975. I think the remote is wrong because it has a zoom button on it and the two Zenith's that I had like this in the past had a four button clicker remote. It was a little damp from all the rain we've had from sitting on the porch; so, I'm not powering it up until I make sure it's dry. I'll also make sure that the white safety capacitor has been upgraded before I power it up. He said it was still plugged in and located in the bedroom; so, it probably still works.

http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff341/radiotvnut/Zenith001_zps12985eb2.jpg (http://s538.photobucket.com/user/radiotvnut/media/Zenith001_zps12985eb2.jpg.html)

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Jon A.
12-10-2013, 08:03 PM
Here it is, using a 19GC45 chassis and made in July, 1975. I think the remote is wrong because it has a zoom button on it and the two Zenith's that I had like this in the past had a four button clicker remote.
Yup, I hear that the electronic remotes were introduced for the 1976 models.

Jeffhs
12-10-2013, 08:54 PM
The remote hand unit shown likely is not the correct one for this TV, since the controller has a zoom button. I seriously doubt this set has zoom, as that was a feature of high-end Zenith consoles such as the Avanti series of the early 1970s (VK member Adam in Michigan has such a set, the model in the white pedestal cabinet). There also seems to be a button missing on the remote shown with your set, and the controller looks like it has seen a lot of use as there is a fair amount of wear (mostly paint worn off) around the buttons. This remote also looks as if it might use a garden-variety nine-volt battery, and not the obscure J battery used in some earlier Zenith electronic ultrasonic remotes. If this one uses a J battery, I will be very surprised, as by the mid-'70s I'm sure the design of these remotes had been modified to use the standard nine-volt transistor radio battery as a power source. Seems to me the J battery was used in Zenith's very early electronic ultrasonic remotes, made around the time the company was transitioning from the mechanical clickers to all-electronic ones.

Robb
12-10-2013, 09:13 PM
Nice set. I recently picked up that same NOS remote for my (my parents) 27" console.
http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=257448

http://s28.postimg.org/nhqbbww71/555.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/DIY/666.jpg

TVTim
12-10-2013, 09:15 PM
The Zenith is a cool set! I would like to have one of my own if I could.

radiotvnut
12-10-2013, 10:55 PM
Actually, the early electronic remotes ran on a 9V battery. The J-battery remotes were from the early-to-mid '80's.

zeno
12-11-2013, 06:37 AM
Actually, the early electronic remotes ran on a 9V battery. The J-battery remotes were from the early-to-mid '80's.
I second that. I think yours used 4 button clicker with a blue
on / off button, very square & boxy style. I will look it up later
& get you the PN if I got the Sams.
BTW the cap is only a problem on E & F line sets. They can
open or short but not destructively.

73 Zeno:smoke:

DavGoodlin
12-11-2013, 07:35 AM
Thats a great set and those were heavy, too. Never saw too many of those 19" SC sets.

The G-line sets had intermittent solder connections where the inline connector plugs in.

Username1
12-11-2013, 07:43 AM
Interesting remote..... I see a button for tuning hi and one for tuning low (channel up/down ??) , but only a single volume button.... So how did that work....? a smart button ! Did it know what you were thinking....? to go up or down ?

And what was that channel hi low switch on the set??

zeno
12-11-2013, 07:56 AM
Interesting remote..... I see a button for tuning hi and one for tuning low (channel up/down ??) , but only a single volume button.... So how did that work....? a smart button ! Did it know what you were thinking....? to go up or down ?

And what was that channel hi low switch on the set??
The volume was a stepper ( 4 steps?), the VC on the set set the range.
Hi Low switch was for hi-low VHF bands, for UHF the number tabs would
work another switch. IIRC the UHF tabs had a hole & the VHF
was solid. Other sets had a H-L-U switch or were limited to
a certain number of U's ( 6 on Zeniths).

73 Zeno:smoke:

zeno
12-11-2013, 08:06 AM
OOPS I correct myself. The Hi-Low was for manual channel
changing, would run the motor for ch up/down.
Age is confusing me with the different setups used.

73 Zeno:smoke:

zeno
12-11-2013, 12:14 PM
The remote is a 124-9
Blue on/off button, clicker style.

73 Zeno:smoke:

radiotvnut
12-12-2013, 05:18 PM
The remote is a 124-9
Blue on/off button, clicker style.

73 Zeno:smoke:

Thank you for taking the time to look up that information for me.

radiotvnut
12-12-2013, 06:27 PM
I fired it up today and I'll bet I know what's wrong with it without even removing the back. The circuit breaker was kicked out, I reset it, turned it on, heard the degaussing coil with no audio or HV, and the CB tripped in a few seconds. Ever Zenith I've ever seen that behaved that was had a shorted oil-filled capacitor in the power supply.

Jeffhs
12-12-2013, 07:19 PM
Actually, the early electronic remotes ran on a 9V battery. The J-battery remotes were from the early-to-mid '80's.

That's interesting. Why didn't Zenith design their electronic remotes to use 9-volt radio batteries from the beginning, rather than using the J battery in the 1980-'85 remote, then switching to the more readily available 9-volt transistor radio battery from '86 on? Was the J battery becoming scarce by the mid-'80s? :scratch2:

I doubt if any battery manufacturer even makes J batteries anymore, so anyone with a Zenith TV that uses such a battery in the remote would be out of luck--unless there is a way to modify the remote such that it could operate on a standard 9-volt battery. Was there anything special about the J batteries that would preclude such a modification? I'm thinking the J battery was something like an 8.4-volt mercury cell that could not be replaced by a standard 9-volt battery; that or else the J batteries were so much larger than transistor batteries that they simply would not fit in the battery compartment of the remote.

TVTim
12-12-2013, 07:34 PM
I just picked up a J battery a couple of weeks ago.

Radio Shack still sells them too!

Robb
12-12-2013, 07:55 PM
I just picked up a J battery a couple of weeks ago.

Radio Shack still sells them too!

Alot of smoke detectors use them.

legenbass77
12-26-2013, 09:15 PM
I used to have one of those sets that I got from my Grandparents. Unfortunately a few years later it got tossed in the dumpster without my knowledge :tears: It worked great for many years, but the focus went south right before the dumpster incident. I do still have the remote in case I ever find another one.