Checking in on the live auction http://www.liveauctioneers.com/, it seems that there must be relatively few TV collectors attending the Buk auction today. Either that or TV values are down more than I had realized.

A lot of two Dumont Doghouses went for only $125!

A lot of two Dumont Doghouses went for only $125!
That is unreal. Even decades ago you couldn't find that deal. I was so sure the final bids on all those great TV's at that auction be would astronmical! You never can be too sure.

Let's see what the pre-war GE HM171 brings later today.

where do you guys see the ending prices? am I missing something.

I've been jotting them down while watch the live auctions. I'll post the results later.

Don't forget that there is an almost 30% buyer premium on top of hammer price.

I wonder what the CT-100 will end at? If it didn't end already.

It's up tomorrow. This auction lasts four days.

The GE pre-war is the one that has me the most curious. I can't remember the last time I saw one of these pre-war television "attachments" come up for sale. It needs a lot of TLC including all the original knobs and CRT mask, but it can be forgiven on this rare historical set. Years ago I would expect it to be in the 10K area. Anyone who gets it under 5K is stealing it.

The HM171 sets actually do come up for sale occasionally. This one is also missing the CRT shield, and it looks like the chassis has been hacked to add a HV transformer on the left side.

Cast iron seal presses (?) on the other hand, http://bit.ly/12nXQuw appear to be far more valuable the our precious TVs. Who knew?

Heck, the pre-sale estimate on the CT-100 starts at only a thousand dollars. If it goes for a half or two thirds of that as some of this stuff has done, I'LL buy it!

Those 621s seemed like they might have been a bargain.

Lot number 288 (INCLUDING THE ICONOSCOPE!) sold for a hundred dollars!

HM171 went for $5,000.

HM171 went for $5,000.

$6,335 after buyers premium. It went to some one present at the auction so they saved 3% over an internet bid. Well over my bid :smoke:.

GE 803 - $200
Pilot TV-37 - $200
RCA 621TS - $475
RCA 621TS - $425
Predicta Pedestal - $300
Predicta Blonde Tandem - $350
Zenith porthole tabletop - $125
Hallicrafters T-54 - $25
Crosley bakelite - $150
Sentinel 7" portable X3 - $250
Dumont doghouse X2 - $125
Emerson 628 - $175
Admiral 20X122, 22X12, 19A12 - $100
GE HM171 - $5,000
Philco Safari - $150
Fisher TV28 - $275
Motorola 7VT2, VT71 X2 - $50
Firestone 13G4, Garrod - $250
Predicta blonde Holiday, red Princess - $150
Andrea - $550

Bob, did you get the 3 motorolas?

Yeah, I was the big spender today ;) I figure they're good for parts if nothing else. Also easy for my buddy to pick up and transport.

This was my first time watching a live auction. It was interesting and the selling prices seemed low (in most cases).
I was wondering why many lots today included two or three TV sets -- given the added cost of the Buyer Premium, sales tax, packing/shipping costs for one or two sets in the lot that a bidder is not interested in.

Made no sense to me either. Especially pairing up two Dumont doghouses :dunno:

GE 803 - $200
Pilot TV-37 - $20
RCA 621TS - $475
RCA 621TS - $425
Predicta Pedestal - $300
Predicta Blonde Tandem - $350
Zenith porthole tabletop - $125
Hallicrafters T-54 - $25
Crosley bakelite - $150
Sentinel 7" portable X3 - $250
Dumont doghouse X2 - $125
Emerson 628 - $175
Admiral 20X122, 22X12, 19A12 - $100
GE HM171 - $5,000
Philco Safari - $150
Fisher TV28 - $275
Motorola 7VT2, VT71 X2 - $50
Firestone 13G4, Garrod - $250
Predicta blonde Holiday, red Princess - $150
Andrea - $550

Thanks for the list Bob! It looks like I'm seeing prices from when I first seriously started collecting in the early '90's!
The Pilot for $20 was a give-away. It needed TLC, but even if just the CRT was good!
The Andrea TV was well worth the price. That set is very rare.
The GE 803 is another rarity. Well worth the price even though it needed a complete refinish.
The GE HM-171 was pricey, but you'll never get a chance at another classic pre-war TV at that price! An awesome piece of TV history even just as-is.
What about the Dumont "Clifton" console? That is very rare set too.

Oops - I missed a zero. The Pilot went for $200. There are still three days left in the auction with lot of sets yet to come. Many in lots of 2 or 3.

Yes, some interesting lots tomorrow - including #1089 with the Viewtone and RCA 621 paired in one lot.

Not to mention both Cliftons and a CT-100. A Clifton is on my all-time crave list, but shipping across the USA seems dumb, and I don't like buying anything based on a couple of photos.

Phil Nelson

I've never seen a DuMont Clifton for sale (anywhere).
They look like they must weigh 250 pounds.
How much should one sale for in good condition these days?

Apparently someone got one in Philadelphia for $495 about 6 months ago. http://mail.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=256512

Apparently someone got one in Philadelphia for $495 about 6 months ago. http://mail.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=256512
The set could, and should, be in the $1500 range. It's as rare as a pre-war and looks a lot like one. It's a set that would look very impressive in any collection!

Ugh. So many microscopes on auction today :drool: Did anyone catch what the Gray sequential monitor went for ? The assortment of TV magnifiers went for $750!

Did anyone catch what the Gray sequential monitor went for ?

$3,000 hammer price.

As I watch today’s auction items waiting for the TV auctions to begin, I am wondering (and I mean this in a nice way) whether collecting and hoarding are related?

How did Elli Buk amass so much stuff, where did he keep it, and how did he know what he had?

He and Andy Warhol must have cornered the market (in their different fields) on collectibles.

I visited Elli years ago at his place in Lower Manhattan, where much of his TV stuff was stored. The sets were stacked floor to ceiling, with aisles about 2 feet wide. It was hard to see what he had, but he knew where everything was, and I suspect he knew every item he owned.

The first Clifton just went for $3,250 and not to me :(

Only $900 for the CT-100.

Both Viewtones sold really cheap. The one in identified cabinet $900 and other in factory cabinet $450 with the Sparton mirror in lid.

That Viewtone for $900 came with a nice looking RCA 621TS :)

I can remember a Viewtone going for $4k on eBayin the last couple of years. There are only about 8 sets totalout there spread across 4 cabinet combinations.

As I watch today’s auction items waiting for the TV auctions to begin, I am wondering (and I mean this in a nice way) whether collecting and hoarding are related?

How did Elli Buk amass so much stuff, where did he keep it, and how did he know what he had?

He and Andy Warhol must have cornered the market (iin their different fields) on collectibles.

I see all this stuff and it doesn't make me feel bad when I trip over a few things at home. The way I see it, the world needs some hoarders to warehouse the past. Warehousing is expensive and time consuming, but just imagine how much is lost to wars, natural disaster, and the disposable society. The disposable society is not just a thing of the present.

Did anyone happen to catch what the Rochester's sold for?

Did anyone catch what the Gray sequential monitor went for ?

$3,000 hammer price.

Well, I'll be! I must have turned two pages at once, cause I never saw it.

Was that one of the three known ones, or a newly found monitor?

James

Here is a Buk anecdote about his beliefs on preserving technical history.

Years ago Elli posted somewhere (I think on the old ETF classified page) that he was looking to communicate with any Dumont Clifton owners. I wrote to him that I had one that I found on the curb about 20 years ago but unfortunately it was missing the power supply. We traded several e-mails. He thought the Clifton was the merging of an important historical cabinet design and a technical milestone. He wrote at the time that he had 3 Cliftons in his collection. I wrote that someday I would restore mine and he responded emphatically that historical artifacts should be left in their original state with all original parts intact and wanted to know if I wanted to sell mine so he could save it. I responded that since he was not going to restore his would he consider selling me a power supply so I could restore mine. That was the last I heard from him :)

(Still looking for a power supply)

Here is a Buk anecdote about his beliefs on preserving technical history.

Years ago Elli posted somewhere (I think on the old ETF classified page) that he was looking to communicate with any Dumont Clifton owners. I wrote to him that I had one that I found on the curb about 20 years ago but unfortunately it was missing the power supply. We traded several e-mails. He thought the Clifton was the merging of an important historical cabinet design and a technical milestone. He wrote at the time that he had 3 Cliftons in his collection. I wrote that someday I would restore mine and he responded emphatically that historical artifacts should be left in their original state with all original parts intact and wanted to know if I wanted to sell mine so he could save it. I responded that since he was not going to restore his would he consider selling me a power supply so I could restore mine. That was the last I heard from him :)

(Still looking for a power supply)

Ah, the ole "don't fix that thing, give it to me"

Well I know of one Clifton that's going to get restored. Assuming it is restorable that is...

You bought one?

Phil Nelson

I did indeed - the second one bundled with a National and Emerson :yes: I figured I needed one flagship set to finish off my collection. As my friend put it - "welcome to the four figure club". I'll just eat Top Ramen for the rest of the year :o

The plan is my friend in NY will pick it up during the week and deliver it on his way to the West coast in late June. Fingers crossed they make it here in one piece.
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I got the Clifton auctioned first. I had been looking for a Dumont Clifton for over 10 years. I got a Clifton advertisement off eBay this past year which advertised winning a new Clifton so I knew one was coming my way. I wanted to get one without the other tvs since I just moved back to Southern Ca this month and still have a load of tvs to haul from storage in Virginia. Your Clifton only has 5 small knobs in the center versus the six knobs on the other two. I wonder what the difference is?

You are the proud owner of an early model, which lacks a focus knob in front.

I'll just eat Top Ramen for the rest of the year :o

The plan is my friend in NY will pick it up during the week and deliver it on his way to the West coast in late June. Fingers crossed they make it here in one piece.


Top Ramen? You will wish you have that luxury. Maruchan is 60 cents cheaper per six pack.

Anyway, you could be getting these sets as soon as late May - including the super special mystery RCA portable, awarded to the guy with the highest blood pressure.

--
Will

yes I figured I needed one flagship set to finish off my collection. As my friend put it - "welcome to the four figure club".

:lmao:

Now that's funny. I don't think you'll ever be finished with your collection. Seems like there's always one more to get.

Congratulations on the Clifton and Motorolas.

I got the Clifton auctioned first. I had been looking for a Dumont Clifton for over 10 years. I got a Clifton advertisement off eBay this past year which advertised winning a new Clifton so I knew one was coming my way. I wanted to get one without the other tvs since I just moved back to Southern Ca this month and still have a load of tvs to haul from storage in Virginia. Your Clifton only has 5 small knobs in the center versus the six knobs on the other two. I wonder what the difference is?

Congratulations! I've also been searching for a Clifton or Manchu for years. I wonder who will get the third and last tomorrow morning ?

Top Ramen? You will wish you have that luxury. Maruchan is 60 cents cheaper per six pack.

Anyway, you could be getting these sets as soon as late May - including the super special mystery RCA portable, awarded to the guy with the highest blood pressure.

--
Will

Nice! I'm working on moving some sets out to make room already :) Are you implying the sodium levels in ramen elevates blood pressure? Maybe I'll go with brown rice and beans instead :scratch2:

Looking forward to the mystery set. I definitely enjoy mystery finds way more than well publicized auctions.


yes I figured I needed one flagship set to finish off my collection. As my friend put it - "welcome to the four figure club".

:lmao:

Now that's funny. I don't think you'll ever be finished with your collection. Seems like there's always one more to get.

Congratulations on the Clifton and Motorolas.

Well at least for now my bucket list has been completed far sooner than I ever expected.

I felt sorry for the poor Motorolas after no one bid on them at the opening price. I figure they're good for spare parts and CRTs and the blonde cabinet looks pretty good.

I got the Clifton auctioned first. Your Clifton only has 5 small knobs in the center versus the six knobs on the other two. I wonder what the difference is?

The Clifton with 5 knobs is the earlier version that has no external focus control. The focus control on the 5 knob version is accessed behind the removable wooden panel just below the knobs. The 6th knob on the later version is a focus control.

I did indeed - the second one bundled with a National and EmersonWhat fun! Let's hope they are all delivered safely.

A Clifton is one set I would be tempted to give the Special Treatment (stuffing the paper caps, for instance).

Phil Nelson

Only $900 for the CT-100.

After seeing how things went yesterday, I figured 'hey, ya never know' and went in with what I figured was a ridiculously low bid of $850, (I figured I'd be able to sell off some of my drek to raise that much.) Fortunately (?) I got outbid.

A Clifton is one set I would be tempted to give the Special Treatment (stuffing the paper caps, for instance).

Phil Nelson

Phil, I think you'd really have your hands full trying to restuff these paper caps.


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I replaced these, and many more just like them in my Clifton.

Bob

What a pitiful bunch. You're right, not much to work with.

If a person really couldn't stand the sight of modern caps under that chassis, I guess you could make replica tubes -- new labels created in Photoshop, etc. Lots of work, but for most folks restoring a Clifton would be a once-in-a-lifetime experience, so why rush?

I'm not saying it has to be done that way, just indulging in some vicarious "what if" thinking. I'll likely never lay hands on one of those, so speculating & daydreaming is about all I'm left with :)

Phil Nelson

For the purest historians etc you should photograph the capacitors before removing, then bag and label them with location removed from he set etc, and keep them with documentation for the set. Then 300 years from now people can analyze it.

$14K for the GE Prewar console plus buyer premium and tax. Any know who got it?

:smoke: :D :lmao:

$14K for the GE Prewar console plus buyer premium and tax. Any know who got it?

I know who didn't get it. :dammit:

I know who didn't get it. :dammit:

DITTO!:tears:

Triple ditto's. It would have taken a whole year of retirement checks just for the tv. Plus commission, tax and shipping on top of that. It was fun watching though. Lots of bargains.

Does anyone know what either of the Videodynes went for?

Edit: never mind, the one I was watching went for $350 combined with a nice Hallicrafters 7"
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16962960_halli-crafter-television-together-with-a-videodyne-tel

Such a bargain, if it had been only the Videodyne I probably would have bid but I didn't want to be obligated to shipping two sets through C&F.

Since according to the ETF prewar database there are only two HM-275s and two HM-90s we never will own one. I firmly believe if I didn't get that Dumont Clifton yesterday I never would have had one of them either. There are still a lot of late 1940s sets to go around but the rare ones will get harder to find. The number of unrestored sets is shrinking.

Videodynes, lot 1094 $400, lot 1594 $350

Speaking of bargains, the third DuMont Clifton went for $250 according to this page:

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16962232_dumont-television-in-walnut-case-height-40-12-inche

Big price spread between the highest and lowest prices paid for the three Cliftons. Were there big differences among them, or was this just auction randomness?

Phil Nelson

I think there were three people who really wanted and willing to pay for a Clifton. I was thinking the first one would go for about $1500. I got the first one but didn't bid on the 2nd one. The 2nd Clifton also went high so there must have been a 3rd person willing to go after it. I don't think there was any competetion by the time the 3rd one came around. I bet the buyer of that Clifton wouldn't sell it for under $1500 if he would sell it at all? Also the auction seemed quiet before lunch on the 3rd day. Maybe everyone came in late?

I was a little wary of the third because there's no picture of the insides. I am surprised it didn't go higher though since it was the last chance to get one. Possibly for a very long time.

Now I just need to find a Dumont screen like ETF has to put behind it.

How about this one guys?!
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16962978_general-electric-television-and-radio-hm-275-3a-1939
Not a set you run across at a local estate sale!
Wow, is that a rare beauty

The third Dumont was complete but needed to be refinished. For that price lots of room to play. The same guy bought both ge preware sets. Funny some guy bought the 7 inch meck with the two Stromberg Calson TS10. During the pickup he came up to me and said do you want the TS10s for free? I took both and turns out one is NOS with the front instruction paper behind knobs and the price tag still on it. Check it out when I got home and the chassis and crt are NOS. CRT off the scale with Great cutoff. Too bad there big. That's the second NOS tv I get.

Anybody take any pictures of TVs etc while there at the aucton or during the live preview session?

"Now that's funny. I don't think you'll ever be finished with your collection. Seems like there's always one more to get."

I can remember when I was at the first or 2nd ETF dinner an older fellow at the table said he had 300 tvs and about 1500 radios. Someone asked what was to become of the tvs when he died and he said he set up a trust where his relatives can't touch them. I only had 10-12 tvs back then. I can also remember a yersar earlier picking up some tvs on Long Island and telling the guy I had 7 tvs and he said "I have more tvs then that in my kitchen".

"Now that's funny. I don't think you'll ever be finished with your collection. Seems like there's always one more to get."

I can remember when I was at the first or 2nd ETF dinner an older fellow at the table said he had 300 tvs and about 1500 radios. Someone asked what was to become of the tvs when he died and he said he set up a trust where his relatives can't touch them. I only had 10-12 tvs back then. I can also remember a yersar earlier picking up some tvs on Long Island and telling the guy I had 7 tvs and he said "I have more tvs then that in my kitchen".
All collectors can relate to that. It's all about the "next one". I started at 12 wanting ONE old radio to put on top of my dresser like my cousin had. I got one and soon had two, then four.... Every place I've lived since then I have been surrounded with these old sets. I have 44 sets (5 TV's) now, but if I had kept all them I would easily have double that. It's only space that limits me. Even now with my apartment packed full, I have my eye on a '39 Zenith console! I don't try to to justify it, I just know I'm having a good time with it - and that is all that matters!:banana:

After all, its called COLLECTING, not having. :-)

The third Dumont was complete but needed to be refinished. For that price lots of room to play. The same guy bought both ge preware sets. Funny some guy bought the 7 inch meck with the two Stromberg Calson TS10. During the pickup he came up to me and said do you want the TS10s for free? I took both and turns out one is NOS with the front instruction paper behind knobs and the price tag still on it. Check it out when I got home and the chassis and crt are NOS. CRT off the scale with Great cutoff. Too bad there big. That's the second NOS tv I get.

Too bad they are not 12", I could use a 12" chassis with fresh tube.
Do you have any idea if the chassis is smaller than the 12"?
I know they used the same outer cabinet for both the 10 and the 12, then just used a wider bezel for the 10. I imagine the chassis are the same or similar because the front hole positions for the knobs look the same.

For the purest historians etc you should photograph the capacitors before removing, then bag and label them with location removed from he set etc, and keep them with documentation for the set. Then 300 years from now people can analyze it.

What will be on Television 300 years from now?

I know...The Three Stooges.:smoke:

What will be on Television 300 years from now?

I know...The Three Stooges.:smoke:

I sure hope so! Love the Stooges.

My friend picked up my sets yesterday. The Dumont was the most trouble not surprisingly. He said the lower chassis was only held in by one bolt so he removed it from the cabinet to lighten the load.
They should be here by the end of the month :banana:

My friend picked up my sets yesterday. The Dumont was the most trouble not surprisingly. He said the lower chassis was only held in by one bolt so he removed it from the cabinet to lighten the load.
They should be here by the end of the month :banana:

Those Dumont "doghouse" "Telesets" are beasts! They are very unique and high quality sets though. I had one years ago and my only issue with it was that I could not watch a tape on it without about 1/4 of the top of the picture bending terribly. I later heard they are notorious for that.
Good luck with it though! It's a must have for any serious TV collector.

Thanks! It's not a "doghouse" though - it's a Clifton ;)

Thanks! It's not a "doghouse" though - it's a Clifton ;)
Oh wow!! I didn't realize you got a Clifton! Your lucky! To me, that is the most pre-war looking post-war set made. I can't wait to see pics and vids of it. I don't know much about them, but I'm assuming it's a similar chassis to the "doghouse".

It's quite different than the RA-103 chassis in the doghouse. No less than three 807s in it. Two driving the horizontal yoke and a third driving the HV coil. RA-102 Service info here: http://www.earlytelevision.org/pdf/dumont-ra-102-rider-tv1.pdf

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It's quite different than the RA-103 chassis in the doghouse. No less than three 807s in it. Two driving the horizontal yoke and a third driving the HV coil.

Very interesting. I bet it's quite a player when restored. I hope you'll do videos on it Bob. I'm so curious about it!

I could not watch a tape on it without about 1/4 of the top of the picture bending terribly.
You can cure this with a 0.5uf paper cap across the H-AFC filter to ground or maybe place a 15K resistor in series with it. Then retune the H frequency coil and your VHS tapes will bend no more!

You can cure this with a 0.5uf paper cap across the H-AFC filter to ground or maybe place a 15K resistor in series with it. Then retune the H frequency coil and your VHS tapes will bend no more!
Thank you! I am always amazed at what you tech's can do!

The third Dumont was complete but needed to be refinished. For that price lots of room to play. The same guy bought both ge preware sets.It's hard to guess auction results in advance, and it's hard to play "what if" after the auction is over. "That guy," whoever he was, had ample financing and wasn't shy about paying for what he wanted. The two prewar GE sets sold for a combined total of $19,000. The third Clifton went for $250, but if you or I had joined the bidding, it might have taken much more to convince him to drop out.

Did anyone happen to record the final prices for TVs? You can see all of the Buk auction results here, but you have to page through everything to find the TVs:

http://www.groganco.com/asp/searchresults.asp?sale_no=137++++&pg=1&ps=50&st=D&archive1=View

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

There were a couple that buyers dropped out so they sold at pick up by others for lesser price such as the 1947 Andrea lot 280.

Lot 39 - PHILCO PREDICTA PRINCESS SWIVEL TELEVISION, circa 1959
ESTIMATE: $1,000 - $1,500 Hammer: $500

Lot 49 - GENERAL ELECTRIC TELEVISION SET, model 803, FM/AM Table Model Receiver, 18 x 23 inches
ESTIMATE: $200 - $300 Hammer: $200

Lot 80 - PILOT MODEL TV-37 CANDID TELEVISION, circa 1948; 15 x 9 inches
ESTIMATE: $150 - $250 Hammer: $200

Lot 91 - RCA 621 TS TELEVISION, Mahogany finish, 7 inch screen
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $475

Lot 92 - RCA 621 TS TELEVISION, Walnut finish, 7 inch screen
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $425

Lot 93 - PHILCO PREDICTA TELEVISION, model 4654, with UHF dial
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $300

Lot 94 - PHILCO PREDICTA PENTHOUSE TELEVISION, with blonde console cabinet
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $350

Lot 95 - ZENITH PORTHOLE TELEVISION, model G2355
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $125

Lot 96 - HALICRAFTER T-54 TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $100 - $300 Hammer: $25

Lot 97 - CROSLEY BAKELITE TELEVISION, model 10-401
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $150

Lot 98 - THREE SENTINEL TELEVISIONS, model 400; together with an ENAMEL SENTINEL SIGN
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $250

Lot 99 - TWO DUMONT DOG HOUSE TELEVISIONS, model RA-103
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $125

Lot 100 - EMERSON TELEVISION AND RADIO, model 628 series A
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $175

Lot 270 - PHILCO SAFARI PORTABLE TELEVISION; model H 2010 L; height: 14 inches
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $150

Lot 274 - THREE ADMIRAL TELEVISIONS; including: floor model 24A, floor model 24R and tabletop model 19A12
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $100

Lot 275 - GENERAL ELECTRIC TELEVISION, MODEL HM171, circa 1939
ESTIMATE: $3,000 - $5,000 Hammer: $5,000

Lot 275A -TWO DAVEN TELEVISION SCANNING DISCS, The Daven Corporation, Newark, N.J.; Type T4680, diameter: 24 inches; and type T36, diameter: 1...
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $375

Lot 276 - THE FISHER TELEVISION, MODEL TV3S; serial no. 1243J, Fisher Radio Corporation, New York
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $275

Lot 277 - THREE MOTOROLA TABLE MODEL TELEVISIONS; including: one bakelite with 7 inch screen, one blonde mahogany with 6 inch screen and one m...
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $50

Lot 278 - TWO TELEVISIONS, including: Firestone, model 13G4 with 8 inch screen; Garod Television and AM/FM Radio
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $250

Lot 279 - TWO PHILCO PREDICTA TELEVISIONS; including: one a blond mahogany with 18 inch screen and one a red metal with a 15 inch screen
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $50

Lot 280 - ANDREA TELEVISION RADIO; (similar to the IF5 model; possibly model VJ12) with 5 inch screen
ESTIMATE: $500 - $1,000 Hammer: $100

Lot 300Y - TWO BOXED CHANGES TELEVISION COLOR FILTER SCULPTURES; Lightyears Inc
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $100

Lot 704N - COL-R-TEL TELEVISION CONVERTER, made by Color Converter, Inc., Indiana
ESTIMATE: $500 - $1,000 Hammer: $450

Lot 704Q - AMERICAN TELEVISION INSTITUTE PHOTO TUBE with a TELE CHECK TELEVISION TESTER
ESTIMATE: $500 - $700 Hammer: $250

Lot 704S - NATIONAL TELEVISION TESTING UNIT
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $275

Lot 704T - COLLECTION OF EARLY TELEVISION TUBES
ESTIMATE: $500 - $1,000 Hammer: $250

Lot 704U - COLLECTION OF EARLY TELEVISION MAGNIFIERS
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $800

Lot 704V - COLLECTION OF TELEVISION ANTENNAS, TUNERS AND PARTS
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $175

Lot 1080 - DU MONT CONSOLE TELEVISION, Model RA102A; screen: 11 inches
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $3,250

Lot 1081 - SPARTON TELEVISION; screen size: 11 inches; together with ANOTHER EARLY TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $300

Lot 1082 - TWO FEDERAL VIDEO CUSTOM TELEVISIONS, with Chinoisserie decorated mahogany cases; screens: 14 inches
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $150

Lot 1083 - TWO PHILCO PREDICTA TELEVISIONS, model no. H3408C; screens: 15 inches
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Unsold

Lot 1084 - TWO PHILCO TABLE TOP TELEVISIONS; one, model no.48-700; screen: 7 inches; the other with a 9 inch screen
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $150

Lot 1085 - MECK TABLE TOP TELEVISION, screen: 7 inches; together with TWO STROMBERG CARLSON TABLE TOP TELEVISIONS; model TV 12; screens: 9 inches
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $175

Lot 1086 - RCA VICTOR CONSOLE COLOR TELEVISION, model CT 100, screen: 12 inches; (the first color TV set)
ESTIMATE: $1,000 - $1,500 Hammer: $900

Lot 1089 - RCA VICTOR TABLE TOP TELEVISION, model no. 621TS, screen: 7 inches; together with a VIEWTONE TABLE TOP TELEVISION, screen: 7 inches
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $900

Lot 1090 - THREE TABLE TOP TELEVISIONS, Teleking, Spartan and Du Mont, makers
ESTIMATE: $100 - $300 Hammer: $175

Lot 1091 - DUMONT CONSOLE TELEVISION and EMERSON BAKELITE PORTHOLE TELEVISION/RADIO with a NATIONAL TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $300 - $400 Hammer: $2,500

Lot 1092 - TWO PHILCO MODEL 48-1000 TELEVISIONS and a DUMONT TELEVISION,
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $350

Lot 1093 - FADA CONSOLE MODEL 940 TELEVISION with AN RCA MODEL 721-TS TELEVISION,
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $250

Lot 1094 - PHILCO ARCHED DOME MODEL 50-702 TELEVISION with a VIDEO DYNE TELEVISION and a CROSLEY TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $400

Lot 1095 - TWO RCA VICTOR TELEVISIONS and a GENERAL ELECTRIC BAKELITE TELEVISION, one RCA model no. 721TS
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $375

Lot 1098 - TWO ZENITH PORTHOLE TELEVISIONS, one a console, the other a table top model
ESTIMATE: $400 - $600 Hammer: $225

Lot 1099 - PHILCO PREDICTA TELEVISION with another PHILCO BAKELITE 7 INCH TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $500 - $700 Unsold

Lot 1101 - TWO TELEVISIONS, including a lift top console (maker unknown) and a Newtone 7 inch table top
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $450

Lot 1229 - DUMONT TELEVISION, in Chinese style mahogany case fitted with short wave radio and turntable; on a swivel ebonized base; height of c...
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $250

Lot 1242 - DUMONT TELEVISION, in walnut case; height: 40 1/2 inches; width: 24 inches; depth: 23 inches
ESTIMATE: $100 - $200 Hammer: $250

Lot 1268 - PHILCO PREDICTA PEDESTAL TELEVISION, G4654; height: 45 inches
ESTIMATE: $500 - $700 Unsold

Lot 1269 -


Lot 1270 - PHILCO PREDICTA PEDESTAL TELEVISION, G4654; height: 45 inches
ESTIMATE: $500 - $700 Unsold

Lot 1289 - EMERSON UPRIGHT CONSOLE TELEVISION, with mahogany case; height: 45 inches; width: 26 inches; depth: 20 inches
ESTIMATE: $200 - $300 Unsold

Lot 1338 - PHILCO PREDICTA PRINCESS SWIVEL TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Unsold

Lot 1359 - PAIR OF HALLICRAFTER CO. TELEVISIONS
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $150

Lot 1364 - TWO TABLE TOP TELEVISIONS, including an example by RCA Victor and Philco
ESTIMATE: $100 - $200 Hammer: $150

Lot 1365 - TWO TABLE TOP TELEVISIONS, including an example by RCA Victor and Philco
ESTIMATE: $100 - $200 Hammer: $50

Lot 1385 - CBS COLUMBIA TELEVISION, blonde mahogany case. This model is equipped with a socket that will permit the use of an attachment for re...
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Unsold

Lot 1565B - LARGE ASSORTMENT OF RADIO AND TELEVISION RELATED TUBES;
ESTIMATE: $200 - $500 Hammer: $75

Lot 1565C - LARGE ASSORTMENT OF RADIO AND TELEVISION RELATED TUBES;
ESTIMATE: $200 - $500 Hammer: $475

Lot 1591 - PHILCO MODEL T 1403 TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $200 - $300 Hammer: $150

Lot 1592 - BRUNSWICK PHENOSCOPE; together with an RCA VICTOR DELUX TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $150 - $250 Unsold

Lot 1594 - HALLI CRAFTER TELEVISION; together with a VIDEODYNE TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $100 - $200 Hammer: $350

Lot 1595 - ZENITH TRANS-OCEANIC SHORT WAVE RADIO; together with a KORING DYNAMIC SHORT WAVE RADIO

and a RCA VICTOR PORTABLE TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $225

Lot 1599 - TWO ANDREA RADIO TELEVISIONS; together with a ZENITH TELEVISION
ESTIMATE: $300 - $500 Hammer: $650

Lot 1604 - GENERAL ELECTRIC TELEVISION AND RADIO HM-275-3A; 1939; General Electric Co., Bridgeport, Conn.
ESTIMATE: $2,000 - $3,000 Hammer: $14,000

Lot 1631 - TWO TELEVISIONS
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $100

Lot 1885 - R.C.A. VICTOR EYE WITNESS CONSOLE TELEVISION/RADIO/RECORD PLAYER
ESTIMATE: $100 - $200 Hammer: $100

Lot 2110 - TWO BOX LOTS OF TELEVISION AND RADIO MANUALS AND SCHEMATICS; including: John F. Rider Televistion Manuals
ESTIMATE: $200 - $400 Hammer: $100

Lot 2143 - LARGE LOT OF BOOKS PERTAINING TO ELECTRICITY, CAMERAS AND TELEVISION; approximately 200 volumes
ESTIMATE: $1,000 - $2,000 Hammer: $650

I'm astonished that those pre-war GEs went for thousands... they must be scarce, huh?

Yes, extremely rare :yes: I see the Dumont Manchu went for only $250. If the 20BP4 is good, that's a steal!

Yes, extremely rare :yes: I see the Dumont Manchu went for only $250. If the 20BP4 is good, that's a steal!

The two Viewtones were an absolute steal also.

I got the Manchu, and I thought it was a steal! But alas, sometime during its life, a rectangular CRT was subed in. Now I will spend the rest of my life hunting for a 20BP4. Bummer!

But it is still a really cool set, and the price was right. :-)

Just out of curiosity, what does a Manchu weigh ? They look massive!

The Manchu was a bargain even without a good CRT. There is nothing quite like that set. You can see one in the corner of the big dinner party scene in A Place in the Sun with Liz Taylor and Montgomery Clift.

Is there a 19" tube that you could use as a temporary sub with a new mask, while you search for the unobtanium 20BP4?

Phil Nelson

I know he has a 19DP4, 66-degree tube though...

I don't know how much the Manchu weighs.... but is is going to be a lot. Chuck Azzaline has one, and could probably answer that. I have not yet taken delivery of the set. I am thinking that if the rectangular CRT currently installed is well done, then I would prebably leave it that way. Using a 19" round CRT is no more right or wrong. But I will be on the hunt for a 20BP4!

I am very much looking forward to restoring this set. I love DuMont sets.

Chuck's page says "about 350 pounds."

http://www.myvintagetv.com/dumont_manchu.htm

Here's the movie scene that I mentioned:

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=250683

Phil Nelson

Hi John Folsom,

That makes two of us looking for a 20BP4! I have a dud 20BP4, but can't quite bring myself to spend $1000+ to send it to RACS for a rebuild, and I suspect that possibility won't be there much longer. On the other hand, I suspect eventually a set with a 20BP4 will turn up, and for not that much money. Too bad this one turned out not to have a 20BP4.

I subbed a 19DP4 (purchased from John Marinello 5 years ago or so, if I remember correctly) into my Westminster, which is a reasonable sub. It doesn't really fill the corners of the 20BP4 mask, however, so I've often thought that a rectangular tube sub might in fact be a better match. A 21 inch rectangular tube might just fill the mask nicely.

Next problem is that the original deflection yoke won't produce a big enough raster to fill the screen of the 66 degree 19DP4. I'm going to return to that problem again one of these days to see if lowering the high voltage may do the trick. May need to sub the yoke as well, so that will be a bit of a project in itself. In the mean time I'm OK with a slightly too small raster.

Good luck with your search for a 20BP4. Hope you find two of them! :)

Hi Tom

Yeah, I thought of you almost immediately upon learning the Manchu needed a 20BP4. Good luck to both of us! If I had your dud, I would probably have sent it to RACS... cost be damned! :-)

Hi John looking at your set now it has a 20cp4 and looks like a real nice installation. Its at my shop and gets a lot of lookers from my customers. They ask all kind of questions. Henry

Henry, you are da man! Thanks so much for picking it up for me. I gotta talk to Chuck about getting it and the Gray picked up.

If I ever find a good 20BP4, I would consider converting it back to its original configuration. But I don't think putting a 19" CRT in place of the 20CP4 is really any better, so will likely leave it as is. Of course, I would restore it electrically. Cause thats what I do. :-)

Thanks again Henry

I will check the 20cp4 Monday when I go back to work for you. Will let you know the condition.

My sets should be arriving tomorrow afternoon :D

My friend arrived with a van load of goodies last night :)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5323/8949836970_ef702789b4_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70039806@N00/8949836970/)

I do have that missing knob :yes:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/8949840012_759dc8805d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70039806@N00/8949840012/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/8949863230_d420aef64b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70039806@N00/8949863230/)

Congrats!! I'm glad it all made it to Chi-town safely. I can't wait to see the thread on the Clifton restoration!

-Clark

Those should keep you busy for at least a couple weeks. :D

Oh my gosh! It looks like Christmas morning.:banana:

Congratulations on the new sets. Of course I can't wait to see more of the Clifton but I'm also interested in more pics of the National set.

Thanks! That National is HUGE for a 7" set. I'll post a whole bunch more in the upcoming days.

My friend that delivered the sets threw in the RCA portable master monitor as a surprise gift :)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2815/8956263720_06ff2f2266_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70039806@N00/8956263720/)

The National is the same size as a Hallicrafters 505 (T-54). Those are bigger than a little Admiral like the 19A11.

On that monitor, what's the little green screen below the CRT? Some kind of scope display?

Phil Nelson

Phil,

Yes that green screen is a waveform monitor, that is an industrial monitor meant for "master control" used for either a camera monitor back at the control desk.

Matt

So was the scope tube used as a modulation monitor?

The National is the same size as a Hallicrafters 505 (T-54). Those are bigger than a little Admiral like the 19A11.

On that monitor, what's the little green screen below the CRT? Some kind of scope display?

Phil Nelson

I guess I was thrown off a little after carrying a couple VT71s inside. The National is a couple inches taller and a little heavier.

After comparing mine to yours, I can see my knobs are all wrong :sigh:

I started a thread for the RCA monitor here: http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?p=3071432#post3071432