Hey--look what Santa left under the tree for Anna and I :) :)

Although I'm not sure how he got it down the chimney, it's a Motorola 19CK1 color console, and fortunately, he didn't replace the tiny screen with a 21" tube...and to think, we would have settled for a DuMont bar or fish tank set! Next year, extra cookies for the jolly old fella.

The TV is in fabulous condition with original back, and an interesting serial number (ends in 00), so it might be the first, or the first after some production changes at Motorola.

Temporarily, we'll put it in the living room...and see if it likes its new home.

Happy Holidays Harry Poster

Harry,

Congrats on the new set it looks great, that sure is a different chassis layout, and a really different HV cage.

Matt

Wow, Merry Christmas indeed. It would be interesting to see the service manual for that one.

Phil Nelson

Wow, I wish Santa would bring me something like that. I guess I was a little too naughty this year :yes:

Very nice set. Looking forward to pictures of it running.

wow !! thats a beauty ,where's that santa at.

Harry, that is a wonderful set. How is your 19VP22? Should be a lot of fun to restore. I have one that has not yet made it onto the workbench. Say... when did you become a TV COLLECTOR? :-)

Here are the Motorola Service Notes:

http://www.earlytelevision.org/pdf/Motorla-Service-News-TS-902.pdf

Here are the Motorola Service Notes:

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I don't see a schematic, but I did notice that it has a "filament transformer" which I take to mean a power transformer to run the tube heaters, but this set is likely a hot chassis anyway.

Ahh HATE Yew....-Yosemite Sam, Esq. (grin) WOW...What a score ! Hope the 19VP22 or whatever the # is, is still good...Congrats !!

I can only dream of sets like this..Congratulations!

That's a very nice set and I'm thinking pretty rare? It was interesting reading the service notes, especially the section comparing capacitors. Already in 1954 the black beauties were getting a bad rap.

Only ten tubes? are they all in the HV cage or something?

The transformer labeled filament transformer is actually a power transformer, with diode (selenium) rectifiers. The set uses 31 tubes, including the CRT.

Wow. Great find sir. I hope the CRT is top notch. Great shape for the rest of the set.

Harry Merry Christmas indeed if you get tired of this bueaty I take donations congrats on the new digs you lucky dawg ya...Timothy

I would think these are even more rare than the CT-100s, at least in "Unmolested" shape..Weren't they only made for 6 months or so ? THIS is truly a VERY rare set..

Yes, this set is much rarer than the CT-100. Over 130 CT-100s survive. We know of 5 of these (19CK1), plus 15 of the similar 19CK2 and 19CT2.

Very nice! Did it come from the factory with a HV cage cover?

Harry, I had the table model version of your new Motorola back in 1963. It had a good 19VP22 CRT and the same "glitzy" CRT escutcheon as yours has. The cabinet was also a blond!
If my memory serves me right, the CBS CRT was of all glass construction, which probably holds a vacuum much more reliably than a 15GP22's metal/glass envelope does. I bet your set's 19VP22 proves to be good.

What remarkable find. And a welcome change of scenery from all the RCA's.

NICE find! I think that's the first blond one I've seen. I had the console and table versions of the mahogany cabinet over the years; early 80s (both were converted to 21AXP22).

Charles

Actually, the 19VP22 has the same glass to metal flange seal like the 15GP22, but with the phosphor dots on the face of the CRT and a much simpler curved shadow mask construction. In the photo, you can see the flange shrouded by its polyethylene shield.

RCA was obliged to license this construction from Hytron (CBS), from which RCA developed the 21AXP22. I was not until the RCA 21CYP22 came out that there was an all glass color CRT.

Harry, if you want to make a socket adapter to test the 19VP22, it uses the same socket as the 7Jp4. You would need to add/move some pins to your socket.

Great set Harry, this is probably the coolest thing to happen around here since the CPA Prototype showed up!
Curious to know how the 19VP22 checks out, should still have vacuum at least.

Actually, the 19VP22 has the same glass to metal flange seal like the 15GP22, but with the phosphor dots on the face of the CRT and a much simpler curved shadow mask construction. In the photo, you can see the flange shrouded by its polyethylene shield.

RCA was obliged to license this construction from Hytron (CBS), from which RCA developed the 21AXP22. I was not until the RCA 21CYP22 came out that there was an all glass color CRT.

Harry, if you want to make a socket adapter to test the 19VP22, it uses the same socket as the 7Jp4. You would need to add/move some pins to your socket.
Thanks John for setting me straight on the 19VP22's metal/glass construction. I do remember that a long court battle preceded CBS Hytron collecting any royalties from RCA. I think their court victory came after CBS Hytron had actually left the tube business and tons of 21AXP22s had already been made and sold.

RCA was obliged to license this construction from Hytron (CBS), from which RCA developed the 21AXP22. I was not until the RCA 21CYP22 came out that there was an all glass color CRT.


Except for the Ca. 1956 Westinghouse 22EP22:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8162374501_1eca3777e5_c.jpg

jr

Except for the Ca. 1956 Westinghouse 22EP22:

http://hfarm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8162374501_1eca3777e5_c.jpg

jr

I was going to make essentially the same post regarding the 23EP22, except that it seemed that the date of its introduction had fallen later than 1956 and perhaps later than the 21CYP22.

Hi All!

Thanks to all the well wishers..it was a nice find, and a set that is really nice to look at...a really pretty blonde set from the 1950s, and a color TV that is a significant find, which, as mentioned, is not an RCA...although finding the RCA prototype was a heart pounding experience :)

I haven't had much time to check it out..thanks John for the CRT testing advice...and thanks Steve for all of the advertising & tech info of the set!

As for becoming a collector, it seems we collect too many bills to keep TVs...but temporarily, it does look good in the living room! I'll do a bit more research, and then decide what will become of our beauty...

Harry Poster

It would look great in my living room........:rolleyes::D

and mine :yes::drool:

That's been my holy grail set for 30 years, and I do mean the one. Only ten years ago not a single one was verified to exist, so it's truly one of the rarest early color sets.

Just my luck.

I want a 19CK1 for Christmas , a 19CK1 is all i want ..... No RCA's , no Zenith's , i only like 19CK1's , and 19CK1's like me too.


Seriously Harry nice find.

Mike

Harry,

Congrats on the new set it looks great, that sure is a different chassis layout, and a really different HV cage.

Matt

For all intents & purposes, it's a B&W chassis with a color adaptor and modified power supply. Note that most all of the front end, sweep, and power supply is on the main chassis, and only the color circuitry is on the upright.

Charles

Happy Holidays indeed! And a rare Moto gets even rarer with a blond finish. Nice find Harry.

-Steve D.

My perception is that Motorola made more blonde sets than most manufacturers. At least 3 of the surviving 19 inch color sets are blonde.

Here's fingers 'n' toes crossed hopin' the CRT is good, & we all get to see Glorious Lollipop Color from it soon..

THAT is certainly a cool find! I, too, have always thought of that set as being the Holy Grail. That 19" CRT better be in good shape... sure would be disappointing to learn that one of the most rare sets we know has a bad tube.

I have a 58-page service manual from Motorola for that baby... and their own schematic. Perhaps I should start working on making some copies it all.

Charlie, rather than making copies, why don't you scan it and I'll post it on the ETF website for all to see and print, if they want a copy.

Good point, Steve. I've sent you a PM.

Here is the result of my poll of 19 inch Motorola serial numbers:

19CK1:

ETF - E2337
Harry Poster - 2100 (not sure if there is a E in front)

19CK2:

ETF - 2193

19CT1:

ETF - Unreadable
Tom Genova - Unreadable
Eric Stumpf - E1905
National Capitol Radio & TV Museum - E2443
Mike Molnar - 14169
John Folsom - 14753

Not sure what to make of these numbers. What does the E mean? Of the 4 digit numbers, the lowest is 1905 and the highest is 2443. Did they start numbering at 1000?

What is the significance of the 5 digit number. One clue might be that Mike Molnar's set is a 19CT1B. I'll ask John Folsom if his is a B.

There were about 4000 CT-100s made and about 140 survive. 17 Motos survive, indicating that a few hundred were probably made.

There's nothing unusual about starting a sequence at, say, 1700. That would jibe with both the numbers recorded from the existing sets and their rarity.

My set is marked on the back, 19C K1B, and the serial number is E2100.

The tube layout indicates a recent production tube change from 6BL7 vertical osc/output to a 6BX7.

Well, so much for the idea that the B models had 5 digit serial numbers. Thanks for the information, Harry.

Harry,

Looks like the B on the model# was originally an R or perhaps some other letter and changed to a B with blue ink. The same color ink that they used to cover over the 6BL7 tube i.d. on the tube chart.

-Steve D.

Maybe they ONLY had a " R " Stamp ? :D:D:D

Then Used the same Blue Ink for BOTH :smoke::smoke:

Several years ago I donated a Moto chassis and 21AXP (no cabinet) to ETF. I could have started life as 19" and been converted. I don't know.

In the upper LH portion of the vertical chassis is the number 4340. In the other picture on the extreme right, on the HV chassis, you can see an "E" but that's where the photo ends. Bummer

Steve, might you still have this chassis?

Phil

After looking at Harry's photos, maybe mine didn't start as a 19" chassis. It was the model with the long legs. TV model that is. Here are a few more photos. Maybe they will help.

As I said in my earlier reply
"I don't know".

Phil

Phil, we still have the chassis. It is a TS-902, and is from the 19CK/CT line. I'll check the serial number tomorrow.

RCA was obliged to license this construction from Hytron (CBS), from which RCA developed the 21AXP22.

Yes, and when that CBS-owned patent expired in 1972, CBS thanked Peter Goldmark and his Laboratory by forcing Goldmark out of CBS.

First, where is the chassis number on this set (TS-902)? My set has no model number on the back cover, and no obvious evidence it ever had one. There is no tube location diagram on the cabinet or back cover, but ther is a paper label cube chart for the color circuits pasted to the vertical color chassis.

Here is what the Motorola service lit. says.

2 main chassis types:
Ts-902 (VHF)
TS-902Y (UHF)
Chassis coding system:
A-00 The original production chassis
A-01,02 etc minor electrical changes to the A version chassis
B-00 First major production changes to the original chassis
B-01,02 etc minor electrical changes to the B version chassis
Prefixes such as W,R,V,T etc mechanical changes

Example: chassis number could be TS-902YA-01W

(I gotta proof read these posts better....)

I would be interested to see the chassis numbers correlated with the serial numbers :-)

The serial number of the chassis that Phil donated is E13482. I noticed that the E is all the way over to the left, and I think it wouldn't be visible with the back on. Is it possible that all the serial numbers start with E, but collectors who reported their serial numbers by looking at the set with the back on missed the E?

Wow! What a spectacular find and wonderful TV, can't ask for more than to find one in that condition, if at all. Congratulations Boss.

I went to Harry's and saw this beauty and will say it looks nice in the photos but in person....WOW is what comes to mind , i think its more attractive then the CT-100.

Thank you Harry for letting me see it.
Mike