I recently picked-up an old Muntz console that includes a working B&W 26" TV, a tuner, amp, and a pair of speakers. I'm keeping the tuner and amp, but plan to remove the TV components.

A few questions:
1) Are any of the TV parts worth keeping? Is there anything else fun I could make from the components?
2) How do I pull the hardware out without killing myself?


Here are some pics: http://tinyurl.com/bl4cne8

Thanks.

A Muntz is a classic set, why would you want to tear it apart? Especially if it's working?

2) How do I pull the hardware out without killing myself?
Thanks.

Maybe you shouldn't tell anyone in this forum about it and you should remain safe.:nono:

Seriously, why would you want to do such a thing?

you could just put it up for sale , it looks like a nice set there's no need to destroy it, flip it make alittle extra money.

Where are you located?

A good 23DVP4 CRT can't be that easy to come by. That's actually a decent looking combo. Folks here are a little touchy about parting these out.

Hello junking out this set is commiting a mortal sin to the tv gods of the world besides it is murder think before you take action... Timothy

So, my mistake. I apologize.

I came here looking for advice from experts in analog video equipment... what I found was experts in analog video equipment with a love and passion for the machinery. My fault. No sarcasm here... I appreciate your passion.

So, let me ask a different set of questions that might be better suited to this group:
1) Let's suppose I kept the console intact and tried to restore it to original condition (knowing that I don't really have the skills of a restorer). What would be the best outcome I should shoot for? Would a 1963 B&W TV display a decent picture from cable or satellite? Would my kids' video games display on the screen? What other hardware would I need to retrofit a cable, satellite, or video game signal into this little bubble screen?

2) Suppose I decide that #1 is not an option, and that I need to remove the TV from the console so I can use the shelf space for the kids' xbox/wii/whatever. How would I remove the TV components from the console in such a way that I could preserve them for someone who might want to restore the unit at a later time?

Here's the thing: I love, love, love the console. It perfectly fits the retro-style basement design that I'm building for my kids to enjoy. I currently don't see how a B&W TV would fit into that plan, but if you have ideas, please share your passion with me so I can have a better picture of what is possible with this equipment. Any visionaries out there that can tell me how this unit could be fun or intriguing for a bunch of 8-12 year olds?

I'm located just south of Atlanta, by the way, for the one who asked.

Thanks again. And sorry.

a simple RF modulator will allow the tv to work with most video devices. It will output to channel 3 or 4, and you feed it a audio signal and a composite video signal for the input.

As far as value from a kids perspective, I use my old tvs as learning tools for a generation that would otherwise have no clue about the history of manufacturing in the US. There is something about old tube sets that is captivating, when my kid friends would come over they were all fascinated by glowing tubes. Beside there is a LOT of good programing that is in BW for the kids (and adults) to watch, there is more to life that video games.

My DD has gone on to study electrical engineering, and I would like to think that the early introduction to old tv tech may have spurred that interest.

TCM has loads of programming in BW as does the Military Channel

I would keep the set intact, and just get a cheap flat screen to set on top for the video stuff anyway. Save the CRT for those special occasions like viewing Casablanca or The Fountain Head or maybe Sargent York.

you could make it a project for both you and your kids ,everyone can learn and spend time together even if its only 1 hour a night or week ends .get some manauls and a schematic for it ,theres plenty of videos on youtube about restoring tv's / radios ,it would be like restoring a old car together but cheaper you never know it might spark an interest in your kids to learn more about electronics ,anything that will get your kids away from the video games and to learn for there future is aways a plus. and there are plenty of people here that are more than happy to help you if you get stuck .

:yes::yes: And don't forget to read up on the colorful career of Earl "Madman" Muntz - an American innovator way too forgotten!

Its not a common tv set so you might keep that in mind before ripping it appart , some videogames would look interesting in black and white , also theres popeye , 3 stooges , laurel and hardy , the little rascals , all things that are black and white and kids would enjoy watching them on a true black and white tv , so i agree if need be get a cheap flat screen and put it on the wall above the muntz or on top of the muntz , and yes it would display a decent picture if working properly from cable / satelite ,and dvd

mike

I have friends who have difficulty watching black and white, that's true. On the other hand, my kids grew up with an antique black and white TV in the family room along with a color set. The kids would watch vintage black and white movies and cartoons. I earlier bought the complete early Fleischer Popeye cartoons from the '30's and the kids were mesmerised by them and remained glued on the black and white image. They are older now and like Groucho Marx in "You Bet your Life". There remains a lot of old black and white programming on DVD which fits well on an old TV set.

I suppose that all of us now suffer media overload from all sides and having the time portal to a different time when things may have been a bit simpler, has provided our family an extra perspective on life.

Hello before my daughter died she was raised on black and white tv we use to watch tv land when they had retromercials along with the alfred hitchcock hour and honey west and leave it to beaver just to name a few she was only 11 when she passed away I think that wonderful memory of us watching these old sets is what keeps me going from day to day it is a wonderful feeling to see your kids watching tv the way we use to...Timothy

Here's the thing: I love, love, love the console. It perfectly fits the retro-style basement design that I'm building for my kids to enjoy. I currently don't see how a B&W TV would fit into that plan, but if you have ideas, please share your passion with me so I can have a better picture of what is possible with this equipment. Any visionaries out there that can tell me how this unit could be fun or intriguing for a bunch of 8-12 year olds?


You might want to look at this thread:
http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=256421
jr

Watching black and white TV may even help kids to enjoy spending more quality time away from the tube. All to often young minds have difficulty distinguishing between reality and the make believe that they see so much of. There's also that correlation to reading a book, in that the black and white programming can actually help to spark the imagination into thinking at a higher level. Possibly that's why so many people reject black and white programming in today's world - because their mental imaging was never challenged to develop at a young age. So we end up believing that we need to rely on the latest and greatest technology to enjoy our lives. In other words, as a society we're becoming more and more commercially dependent. :scratch2:

Most kids im my school have never even see a tube radio and when they see some of my they almost always invaribly want to turn it into a gituar amp or plug am ipod into it because there are no pop am stations here only talk gospel classic country and a few oldies stations that I can pick up on a good night.

My son is 11 and watches 3-stooges and I Love Lucy daily on my 53 Zenith. Kids think my radios and old tvs are neat.

I think we have lost the OP...

That Muntz is a looker, definitely keep it intact! You won't regret it.

I bet alot of people would live to have that set espacially beginners because muntz tv's are generally designed on the principal less is more. also meaning that there is less to go wrong wiht one than a more extravagent set.

Well, I got the picture working on the Muntz. It's not pretty, but it's a start. The Muntz even tuned-in channels 2, 3, and 5 through the Cable using the tuning knob.

The picture is skewed on the screen at about a 15 degree angle, and the corners of the screen are cut off.

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae197/areaglew1/Muntz%20TV/photobucket-48235-1355354043518.jpg
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae197/areaglew1/Muntz%20TV/photobucket-48235-1355354043518.jpg

My kids: "Why is it black and white?"

I believe your picture is tulted Brause your Yoke is slightly off kilter all you have to do is listen it and turn it the corrected direction untill the picture is oriented correctly
Note I'm talking about the coil thing around the neck of the picture tube bit not the rings that you can turn on it.

Now theres a set that shows PROMISE :thmbsp:

But god forbid, IF you should wanna gut it, for heavens sake.... SAVE THE GIBBLETS!! :D

SR

yep thats definate a loose yoke there ,it looks like it slid back and has falling down thats why you see the rounded corners at the top.

Going by that picture indicates that all the circuitry within is functioning pretty well considering the age of it. The yoke needs to be adjusted and pushed forward to cure the tilt. Don't wreck it dude :yes:

The yoke needs to be adjusted and pushed forward to cure the tilt.

DO be careful, as there are high voltage pulses on bare solder terminals on the yoke. With the set off, loosen the strap that holds the yoke on the CRT neck, and gently push it toward the front of the set sliding it on the neck. And try to tilt the yoke in the direction and angle so as to cancel the tilt in the video image. tighten loosely the strap, and turn the set on to see how well you got it corrected. It may take a few iterations to get it correct. Once you got it good, finger tighten the yoke strap. Not tighter than that, as it is a glass tube it's squeezing.

agree with care, yokes can bite you real hard, best to adj a bit with the set off and then try again.

DO be careful, as there are high voltage pulses on bare solder terminals on the yoke. With the set off, loosen the strap that holds the yoke on the CRT neck, and gently push it toward the front of the set sliding it on the neck. And try to tilt the yoke in the direction and angle so as to cancel the tilt in the video image. tighten loosely the strap, and turn the set on to see how well you got it corrected. It may take a few iterations to get it correct. Once you got it good, finger tighten the yoke strap. Not tighter than that, as it is a glass tube it's squeezing.

Thanks for the details. Is the Yoke the white ring in the photo below? Sorry to be such a noob.

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae197/areaglew1/Muntz%20TV/photobucket-42294-1354828995918.jpg

The entire thing, white and green thing, with the coil in the middle.

Be careful though, you can get a shock.

it may be loose already if not you should see some kind of hose clamp like affair.

the tabs that are behind the white are for centering the pic, leave those be for now, just turn the whole thing a few degrees CCW (look at it from behind), then turn on the set and see if that does it. You can do it with it on, but again you have to be careful as you can get a nasty shock working on sets with the back off.

It's that whole assembly, the green and white part. Watch out for the big red wire, if it has cracks in it, it will bite hard!

Wait a sec, what's that big red frayed looking wire sitting on top of the CRT?

looks like a wire tie, prob for wires for radios/speakers.