Saw this no-name color set on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Color-TV-set-/120874272582?_trksid=e11011.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA% 252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26pmo d%3D290733226816%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1731268186234 24429&_qi=RTM839990

Is this some sort of 'sleeper' set, or just another example of a person that has no idea what things are worth? The set, to me, looks like some funky crossbreed of an RCA XL-100 set and something else.

Methinks he's Smoakin' Doap..

I must be missing it too.

A mouseover reveals ALL it says on front is "color TV"

I'm not at all good at this yet....but with no other pics, I really DO just see "generic", and old enough to be a VHF and UHF knobby. Oddly, it does lack ANY other knobs on front...not even a volume.

Is that "red-white-green-white-blue" a logo of any sort?

Korean made AOC I think. My grandparents had one that looked exactly like that. Thats my best guess,

I'm assuming the logo Aibo is referring to is a generic 'COLOR' emblem, to show the set is a color TV. The white you're seeing is likely reflection on a silver part of the logo. :3

I'd side with Sandy here...methinks someone is clueless... :D

I can't really make fun of "clueless"

Most of my "trashpicked" or "swap meet" sets, I had NO clue what they were. I STILL haven't found a single reference to the old Quasar 9" "hard luck" TV I put back together a couple months ago.

It wasn't until I came on HERE that I started being interested in more than "looks cool" little old B/W sets.

The Sony S8-301 was the very first set I was actually "educated" when I first saw it. If I hadn't seen Nelson's thread on his work on one.....I would have thought "cool..old Sony"...and not "OMG! THAT is the little Sony Nelson recapped!". I picked it up (after walking by it like four times)...KNOWING I had somewhere to go if I got stuck :-)

NO longer "clueless". I can't even watch the movie "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" without going "I wonder WHAT set that is the computer is watching?" (BTW...I STILL wanna know what set that was :-P )

No, the logo looks like red, green, blue (primary colors) spaced with white. Probably a make sold under multiple off brands, and the excess production sold even more off-brand with no brand name at all.

Yeah...to me looked "red-green-blue"....and made sense as in "red,green,blue" guns. The usual representation of color TV (think Trinitron). I just noticed they were seperated by what looked like white...and I not ever seen "that" as a logo.

And for the record....I think "primary" colors are actually red,blue,yellow. Just as a sidenote, I recently saw George Takei in some SILLY (you know..he's SILLY now) ad for I think Sharp, and some new picture technology that now DOES use a yellow pixel (LCD is not phosphor though). I don't remember if it was a plasma set (which then WOULD be a yellow phosphor)

I made a silly 'brain fart' mistake--I meant to say that the WHITE you are seeing is probably reflection off silver parts of the logo. The green is one of the three primary CRT colors (red, green, blue).
My original post has been edited. xD

I had a KTV set from the mid '80's that looked similar and it was actually a well built set for what it was. It was a working dumpster find.

Around '92-'93, I remember some "no name" knob tuned 13" color TV's for under $100. This was just before the CC mandate that ended up putting an end to knob-tuned TV's.

As far as his asking price, he has the decimal in the wrong place. $7.50 would be more like it.

I also say it looks like a Korean built set by either AOC or KTV, my first instinct said KTV.

that tv has been on ebay since last nov ,the price has change alot to everyone must not want to buy from a seller that backs out of a sell once somebody wins it

radiotvnut, I never really knew why knob TVs went away...now I have my answer! It would be difficult to receive/decode captions on a knob-tuned set.

They USED to make a converter/adapter that did that in the '80s, IIRC. But it was ugly and cumbersome from what I remember. I don't remember if it worked on knob tuned sets, anyone know for sure?

They USED to make a converter/adapter that did that in the '80s, IIRC. But it was ugly and cumbersome from what I remember. I don't remember if it worked on knob tuned sets, anyone know for sure?

Sounds like something I'd like to own! :D

I also remember seeing '80s sets with a plug on the back that said closed caption adapter too, these are old memories as I never paid much attention to the '80s sets until now because they weren't old enough.....wait....if they're old enough now, that means I'm getting old....:sigh: :)

I remember there was a CC Decoder for sale in the Sears catalogs in the eighties.

Isn't the CC part of the vertical sync or something? as in "already present in any picture" and just needs to be decoded from the existing vertical blanking or something. I sometimes think I see artifacts from it if you have vertical size too small...along the top.

I think Sears marketed a knob-tuned 19" color TV in the mid '80's that had a built-in CC decoder; but, it was a very expensive TV and not many were sold. By '93, the popularity of knob tuned TV's had gone way down and the only people buying them were the elderly (who often didn't like change) and people who could not afford the more expensive remote/cable ready set. The CC mandate was the final nail in the coffin because manufacturers figured out that they could cheaply build a TV, with built-in CC decoder, that was based on a microprocessor and since the demand was already declining for knob tuned TV's, they just stopped making them. The only knob tuned TV's that I know of that were made after the CC mandate were 12" B&W sets and, of course, these had no built in CC decoder. The reason manufacturers were able to continue selling these sets was because the CC mandate didn't apply to TV's with a screen size under 13". Even at that, I don't think those 12" B&W sets were made after '95-'96. By then, one could buy a 13" cable ready/remote set for what a 12" B&W set would have cost during the mid '80's.

Isn't the CC part of the vertical sync or something? as in "already present in any picture" and just needs to be decoded from the existing vertical blanking or something. I sometimes think I see artifacts from it if you have vertical size too small...along the top.
There are indeed artifacts at the edges of most screens when you truly can see the top and bottom edges, though what most of them are for, I don't know. They're also there on DVD discs, and I can see them on the signal from my Nintendo Wii when I hit the 'HV Delay' button on my Sony PVM-8042Q monitor.

The only knob tuned TV's that I know of that were made after the CC mandate were 12" B&W sets and, of course, these had no built in CC decoder. The reason manufacturers were able to continue selling these sets was because the CC mandate didn't apply to TV's with a screen size under 13".

It never occured to me that the reason the 12" B&W set became the standard and anything bigger and B&W simply disappeared from the market was because of this (the fact that no one wanted B&W anymore didn't help either)

This thread has taught me a few things I never knew. Thanks, guys! :thmbsp:

This thread has taught me a few things I never knew. Thanks, guys! :thmbsp:

Truly amazing stuff I have always wonered about my self. :scratch2:

The digital version of vertical blanking interval data is called VANC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanc

The analog vertical blanking space carries closed captions, and possibly test signals and network data (back when analog network signals were used).

VCR and DVD outputs can contain Copyguard (TM) anti-copying pulses in this area. The anti copying pulses vary in amplitude and cause the automatic video level control in VCRs to go up and down in the opposite variation when recording. They also drive vintage TV set owners crazy because they show up in the retrace as white lines that come and go in the picture. Perhaps no-one on this thread is old enough to remember when video tape rental stores carried two versions of each title, so if you complained of lines on your TV, they would pull out a non-Copyguarded copy to rent.

It really does look like an AOC. Repaired and hated them. burned boards.

You're not missing anything, the seller is. :scratch2:

They USED to make a converter/adapter that did that in the '80s, IIRC. I don't remember if it worked on knob tuned sets, anyone know for sure?

I have one (now sitting in storage) that was a set top box that tuned the selected channel, decoded the CC, placed the captions on the video, and then modulated that onto channel 2 or 3, along with the sound. It could feed a knob tuned TV set, as the TV would see it as a regular TV signal that happens to have captions written onto the picture.

Thanks, I thought so but wasn't 100% sure.

I've got a CC decoder as well only mine don't tune anything but CH3, but it makes up for that by having video inputs. Since none of my daily drivers are even 100% solid state let alone CC equipped I use my CC decoder for those times when I just got to know what the the folks on my favorite programs are poorly pronouncing(read mumbling).

I use my CC decoder for those times when I just got to know what the the folks on my favorite programs are poorly pronouncing(read mumbling).

AMEN!!

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