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Countryford
03-12-2014, 09:30 AM
I have several different colors. I have a dishwasher, wall oven, and two dryers in pink. Washer, dryer and refrigerator in turquoise. Refrigerator and range(lower oven and oven above) in coppertone brown, Dryer in avacado. Washer in grey. 3 washers, 2 dyers, and a gas stove in white.

They also had stainless steel. I have a wall oven and cook top from 1958 or so, and they are all in stainless steel.

Countryford
03-13-2014, 07:35 AM
Here is a link to a site, that has the different colors of appliances. It lists them by year and the company.

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=Appliance&con=m

Retro in RI
03-13-2014, 05:06 PM
Here is a link to a site, that has the different colors of appliances. It lists them by year and the company.

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=Appliance&con=m

Wow, that's amazing. Even gives the PPG codes etc. Hmmmmm, I've painted a couple of cars before so why not my stove and fridge? No block sanding and bondo work anyway ; ) As I recall the havest gold was darker around the edges not all one color. That's prob why they list dark and light.

Thanks, that's a tremendous resource.

Al

Retro in RI
03-13-2014, 05:08 PM
I have several different colors. I have a dishwasher, wall oven, and two dryers in pink. Washer, dryer and refrigerator in turquoise. Refrigerator and range(lower oven and oven above) in coppertone brown, Dryer in avacado. Washer in grey. 3 washers, 2 dyers, and a gas stove in white.

They also had stainless steel. I have a wall oven and cook top from 1958 or so, and they are all in stainless steel.

Nice, seems like you've got it covered. How do you decide on paint colors for the rooms with so much going on with the appliances ; ) Lol

Countryford
03-16-2014, 07:37 AM
As I recall the havest gold was darker around the edges not all one color.

I think it depended on the brand. I know G.E. had the darker around the edges with the lighter as you move in. I have a G.E. Americana fridge and stove in coppertone brown that has that as well. I do know of other brands that had just the solid color.

Nice, seems like you've got it covered. How do you decide on paint colors for the rooms with so much going on with the appliances ; ) Lol

The kitchen I have pink appliances. The walls are a soft yellow. Laundry room is turquoise appliances and walls are the same soft yellow. I have an outdoor kitchen with the coppertone brown fridge and stove, turquoise metal cabinets, and a little pink thrown in there. The remainder of the appliances are in a secondary laundry room(has 4 washer hookups and 4 dryer hookups.

egrand
03-18-2014, 12:44 AM
It was hard for dealers, especially small ones, to carry a lot of different colors of appliances in stock since there were so many of them. And, white always was the best seller so you had to have plenty of them. Usually colors were ordered and often the kitchen ones were sold in sets for new homes or remodels.

I remember in my grandfather's store in the 70's about the only non-white appliances he had in stock were harvest gold or blue. I imagine in the late 50's and early 60's the more likely in stock colors were pink and turquoise. If he had other colors it was more likely to be laundry equipment. I think that was because those usually went in the basement and people were less picky about the color. And, if somebody wanted a fridge in brown he could say here's what the color looks like on a washer and I can order the fridge and have it in a couple of days.

Some makers tried offering appliances with changeable panels of different colors. That way the dealer didn't have to keep a lot of colors in stock and just put in the right panel on delivery.

Username1
03-19-2014, 06:18 PM
CF; Love that paint link ! ! !

Here is the color I painted my '73 Mustang......

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?color=Fresh%20Plum&tditzler=2495&rows=50

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?type=sample&ditzler=2495&syear=1973&smanuf=AMC&smodel=&sname=Fresh%20Plum&name=amc19732495&scomm=Gremlin

Mine was Fresh Plum Metalic.... Might be slightly different than the link....

But that Gremlin looks just like it....

Remember the commercials for that car....?

Girl drives into a gas station...... Attendant, old guy, cigar smoker I think says... "What happened to the rest of your car toots".

They would be killed today for an ad like that......

ahhh, the good old days.....

Follow that up with a "The Cool refreshing health taste of Salem Cigarettes..."

I think today, I could get into a Gremlin.......

Jon A.
03-19-2014, 06:39 PM
But that Gremlin looks just like it....

Remember the commercials for that car....?

Girl drives into a gas station...... Attendant, old guy, cigar smoker I think says... "What happened to the rest of your car toots".

They would be killed today for an ad like that......

ahhh, the good old days.....

Follow that up with a "The Cool refreshing health taste of Salem Cigarettes..."

I think today, I could get into a Gremlin.......
Haha, gotta love it. Take that feminists. I would prefer a '76 Gremlin. In regards to the ads for smokes, they occupy the entire back covers of my vintage Road and Track magazines that I have checked out thoroughly. Could be on all of them for all I know. I have a bunch from 1977 to 1985.

Username1
03-19-2014, 06:50 PM
I've been looking for that commercial on youtube, but no luck so far....

But I found this one for a pacer... I remember seeing this on tv when I was a non-driver....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49fT3ufReI4

I always liked the '77 LTD, all cars without a metal window frame I use to think were cool.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIaKSed3sc

Alright I'm just wasting time with this.....

Ok, just one more..... this is funny stuff..... Why don't they do in depth
comparisons like this anymore.......?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cYhCRLPbn8

bye..

Jon A.
04-02-2014, 06:23 PM
I just rescued this Eaton-Viking dryer from certain scrapper death. You wouldn't believe the trouble I went through to get it.

Meh, the top trim damage was my doing, oops.

Retro in RI
04-05-2014, 08:55 AM
Just this week I was working at the home of an 85 year old customer of mine (painting her dining room). I commented on her mid century serving cart and we started talking about old appliances etc. She pointed out her Harvest Gold elctric stove and said: " . . it still works great, the only problem is it's gold." That's not a problem I said, that's awesome. The problem is that it's electric. She went on to tell me that until recently, she had a matching fridge, a Kelvinator, and that some power surge in a storm did it in. : (

Al

dieseljeep
04-05-2014, 09:27 AM
I just rescued this Eaton-Viking dryer from certain scrapper death. You wouldn't believe the trouble I went through to get it.

Meh, the top trim damage was my doing, oops.

I see the Canadians did it right, regarding the four prong plug.
IIRC, the NEC outlawed the use of the neutral wire for grounding the machine, in all new installations, starting with the 1996 code.
BTW, who made the laundry machines for Eaton's. :scratch2:

Jon A.
04-05-2014, 04:05 PM
I see the Canadians did it right, regarding the four prong plug.
IIRC, the NEC outlawed the use of the neutral wire for grounding the machine, in all new installations, starting with the 1996 code.
BTW, who made the laundry machines for Eaton's. :scratch2:
It's a re-badged GE. This one's pretty special as it's not only a defunct brand, it's a Canadian brand, and I don't think we ever had many of our own brand names.

Reece
04-26-2014, 08:55 PM
Several dishwashers back we had a Kenmore that had those interchangeable panels stored inside the door: you could have black, white, green, harvest gold, or brown. They were painted a different color each side of the panel so I guess there were three panels. Can't remember what was on the leftover side! Wait, I think it was woodgrain as it was from "that" era, 1979.

Jon A.
04-27-2014, 03:12 PM
This Kenmore (Sanyo) model 99931 micro/convection oven arrived at my thrift store yesterday, got it for a fiver before my discount. It's freaking HUGE and weighs a TON. I can't find anything on it online. Sure beats the chinason, er, Emerson we currently use.

Electronic M
05-03-2014, 02:16 AM
I think my folks had that same microwave when I was growing up. I remember a power surge took it out and ComEd(our local power company) fixed it for us for free...We had it for years, but I can't recall what became of it.

Jon A.
05-03-2014, 09:10 PM
I think my folks had that same microwave when I was growing up. I remember a power surge took it out and ComEd(our local power company) fixed it for us for free...We had it for years, but I can't recall what became of it.
Maybe I ended up with it? :D Seriously though, I Google image searched "Vintage Kenmore microwave" and came up with some very similar units, the closest one in appearance with a manufacture date in the posting being from 1980. A couple new feet, a good cleaning and it'll be ready for prime time.

The power output I think is 1400 watts; different measurements from today's microwaves I believe, but it still seems like a lot. Nope, just checked my pics of the back label again, it's 1500 watts.

DavGoodlin
05-05-2014, 01:04 PM
Similar in size to that Kenmore, we had a 1975 Litton Microwave with mechanical, scroll-digit timer.
It was given to the church kitchen, and it stopped heating in 1986. All it needed then was the return diode and its still working.

Jon A.
05-10-2014, 11:51 AM
I saw a slightly newer Kenmore microwave, still with a woodgrain finish listed for free on the local classifieds. The ad was about four days old and had "PPU" in the subject line, so I asked about it. It is supposed to be picked up today; I hope the person taking it, if that person does show, is not a scrapper. Considering the delay in pickup, I would guess not.

Dude111
06-24-2014, 04:15 AM
Here is a link to a site, that has the different colors of appliances. It lists them by year and the company.

http://mustangattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=Appliance&con=mWow thats quite a useful site,Muchos Gracious my friend!!


Those units made in the 60s-early70s were the biggest energy hogs and, just like the cars, got WORSE in the later 70s.Yes but I would rather have something OLDER that is made better than this newer garbage made from 2000 on!!

I think the WHOLE "Green" thing is about 90% crapola anyway.Yes its all crap...... That stuff doesnt run well and is unreliable for the most part!

Because new stuff is junk that is why there are so many issues with things not enough pride in the factories and employees it is all about the money...TimothySadly people have been conditioned to be satisfied with garbage and its sad......

I have seen people (Even my own parents) take perfectly GOOD things and replace them with something else (Which isnt as good WHICH THEY THINK IS BETTER!) -- Its really sad what the elite have done to people...... (To make them easily managable (Those with WEAK MINDS are most vulnerable))

Countryford
06-24-2014, 07:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavGoodlin
Those units made in the 60s-early70s were the biggest energy hogs and, just like the cars, got WORSE in the later 70s.

Yes but I would rather have something OLDER that is made better than this newer garbage made from 2000 on!!

While refrigerators from the 60's and 70's are energy hogs(the frost free ones). The refrigerators from the 50's and prior (the manuel defrost refrigerators) use about the same if not less energy than the refrigerators that are currently on the market.

Jon A.
06-24-2014, 10:08 AM
Manual defrost refrigerators were made after the 50s, that much I know. The apartment I was in from '88 to '95 had a manual defrost fridge, and if the date on the phone box in the basement was any indicator of the building's age it was built in '64.

atomicomatic
07-14-2014, 05:29 PM
At some point, some weird people are going to totally rave over Avocado Green and Harvest Gold. Look at all that "mid-century modern" stuff that sells for high prices now. I thought most of it was ugly in the 1960s and 1970s (when it was aging and left over from the 1950s), and I still do.

I was going to chime in on this thread, so I thought I should reply to this post first.

Whether something is "ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of people who wouldn't touch anything in this thread with a 10 foot pole. I saved most of my furniture like I saved most of my appliances. People look at you funny when you go "I don't use new things."- and I don't. I iron my clothes with a 1961 Sunbeam, watch TV occasionally on multiple pre-1970 TV sets, and live around Jetson's era furniture. I saved one of my chairs from the trash, which the guy responded "I was going to pay someone to haul that off." After shampooing the original green fabric and polishing the brass tipped tapered legs, it looks as good as when it was new in 1960. Here recently I came across an abandoned postwar flat-roofed ranch house, and am hoping to acquire it soon too. The grass is 2 feet high, and it is hidden behind masses of greenery. The original stove and fridge are also inside, complete in all their early 1960s glory.

What bothers me is once the public decides something is "cool", everyone goes crazy. When I got most of my stuff, is was disliked by anyone who cared what others thought. I got plenty of weird looks, but I knew that I was not just saving a piece of history, it was something that would easily last another lifetime. Thanks to TV shows like "Mad Men", this stuff has SKYROCKETED in value. There's a local "mid-century" store that has one chair listed at $700+. It's good in a way, more history is being saved, but disappointing at the same time, people are slaves to society. I've always made it a point to not let anyone else dictate who I am.

I'm sure some people on the forum can relate to some of the things I've said.

Jon A.
07-15-2014, 09:08 PM
I was going to chime in on this thread, so I thought I should reply to this post first.

Whether something is "ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of people who wouldn't touch anything in this thread with a 10 foot pole. I saved most of my furniture like I saved most of my appliances. People look at you funny when you go "I don't use new things."- and I don't. I iron my clothes with a 1961 Sunbeam, watch TV occasionally on multiple pre-1970 TV sets, and live around Jetson's era furniture. I saved one of my chairs from the trash, which the guy responded "I was going to pay someone to haul that off." After shampooing the original green fabric and polishing the brass tipped tapered legs, it looks as good as when it was new in 1960. Here recently I came across an abandoned postwar flat-roofed ranch house, and am hoping to acquire it soon too. The grass is 2 feet high, and it is hidden behind masses of greenery. The original stove and fridge are also inside, complete in all their early 1960s glory.

What bothers me is once the public decides something is "cool", everyone goes crazy. When I got most of my stuff, is was disliked by anyone who cared what others thought. I got plenty of weird looks, but I knew that I was not just saving a piece of history, it was something that would easily last another lifetime. Thanks to TV shows like "Mad Men", this stuff has SKYROCKETED in value. There's a local "mid-century" store that has one chair listed at $700+. It's good in a way, more history is being saved, but disappointing at the same time, people are slaves to society. I've always made it a point to not let anyone else dictate who I am.

I'm sure some people on the forum can relate to some of the things I've said.
I sure can, biggest difference is that I live a couple of decades past that.

zenith2134
07-17-2014, 11:21 AM
The silver-coated drinking glasses they use on "Mad Men" have sure gone up in value, possibly due to the show itself. I have a large collection of them, I forget what their trade name is. But When I go to estate sales and antique shops looking for treasure, I routinely see some of them going for many times what I paid for mine in '04-'05

wa2ise
07-23-2014, 01:26 PM
We had an old freezer in the basement, nameplate here:
http://videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=180604&d=1384013142, yes "RCA". But we turned it in, as our power company, Pubic Service Electric and Gas, has a $50 bounty on old working freezers and fridges. We figured the electric bills from the freezer cancelled out any savings on freezing food that was on sale.

Dude111
07-28-2014, 06:26 PM
There is always an agenda in them giving you $$$ for old things!!

THEY KNOW THEY ARE BETTER!!

dieseljeep
07-29-2014, 08:51 AM
We had an old freezer in the basement, nameplate here:
http://videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=180604&d=1384013142, yes "RCA". But we turned it in, as our power company, Pubic Service Electric and Gas, has a $50 bounty on old working freezers and fridges. We figured the electric bills from the freezer cancelled out any savings on freezing food that was on sale.

I plugged mine into a Watt-Watcher and left it for a month, to check the consumption.
I calculated that it costs around $1.50 a month for the convenience. The freezer is about 15 years old.
BTW, I don't think "Pubic" was a typo. :D

Dude111
07-30-2014, 08:10 PM
YA ..... $1.50 isnt much!! (You'd rather have something reliable :))

Kamakiri
07-31-2014, 08:07 AM
We had an old freezer in the basement, nameplate here:
http://videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=180604&d=1384013142, yes "RCA". But we turned it in, as our power company, Pubic Service Electric and Gas, has a $50 bounty on old working freezers and fridges. We figured the electric bills from the freezer cancelled out any savings on freezing food that was on sale.

I was actually going to do the same with my '48 Westinghouse fridge. Kinda tore my heart out to do so, but ones in much better shape can be had at estate sales around here for next to nothing.

I measured the exterior, it fit within their guidelines. Guy comes to pick it up and it's just shy of their interior cubic feet requirement. I thought, well, so they've developed a way to not have to pay out for refrigerators that they figure probably aren't in regular use. Well played.

No matter, I'll just keep it as a backup if I ever need it :)

Jon A.
08-01-2014, 03:25 PM
I'm game for some ice-breaking if it means having the privilege of using an older fridge.

dieseljeep
08-02-2014, 09:09 AM
I'm game for some ice-breaking if it means having the privilege of using an older fridge.

I just had to defrost my Sanyo 1.2 cu ft mini-frig, I have in my workshop. The evaporator had a coating of frost, about half inch thick. It took about 15 mins, with the door open.

Kamakiri
08-02-2014, 04:00 PM
Defrosting isn't bad.....the '53 Norge in my kitchen builds it up fast in the summer due to the humidity, and it creates a huge chunk about 4" thick in the one back corner.

With the fridge emptied, I just get a hammer and thin bladed screwdriver and carefully cleave the ice like the Hope diamond. It comes out in big chunks, and I chuck it on the back grass. After wiping, cleaning, and putting the food back in, the whole process takes about a half an hour 2-3 times per year. Not terrible.

Jon A.
08-02-2014, 08:02 PM
Much faster and easier than the hair dryer method I used most recently. Used it too long, first taking out the power outlets in the store's kitchen, then running extension cords all the way to the UPS that was connected to the pricing machine, eventually crashing it. Hey, it was the closest working outlet. I may have wiped out their numbers for the day, and if I did at least I now know that they deserved it. :D

dieseljeep
08-02-2014, 09:58 PM
Defrosting isn't bad.....the '53 Norge in my kitchen builds it up fast in the summer due to the humidity, and it creates a huge chunk about 4" thick in the one back corner.

With the fridge emptied, I just get a hammer and thin bladed screwdriver and carefully cleave the ice like the Hope diamond. It comes out in big chunks, and I chuck it on the back grass. After wiping, cleaning, and putting the food back in, the whole process takes about a half an hour 2-3 times per year. Not terrible.
I've seen plenty of people that poked holes in the evaporator with that method. Then you might as well scrap the old thing.
I've used hot water in a bowl and changed it every 15 minutes or so. I also have a heater, intended to be used as a defroster. It takes a little longer, but, it's a little safer, then some of the other methods.

Jon A.
08-02-2014, 10:58 PM
I've seen plenty of people that poked holes in the evaporator with that method. Then you might as well scrap the old thing.
I've used hot water in a bowl and changed it every 15 minutes or so. I also have a heater, intended to be used as a defroster. It takes a little longer, but, it's a little safer, then some of the other methods.
Better; I must admit I was concerned about breaking coolant lines when I had to remove the rest of the ice manually. One big chunk had wrapped around a coolant line and I had to hold the chunk with one hand and hit it with a bread knife handle until it broke away.

Kamakiri
08-03-2014, 01:15 AM
I've seen plenty of people that poked holes in the evaporator with that method. Then you might as well scrap the old thing.
I've used hot water in a bowl and changed it every 15 minutes or so. I also have a heater, intended to be used as a defroster. It takes a little longer, but, it's a little safer, then some of the other methods.

This is where "carefully" comes into play, and this can vary by fridge design too. Sure, you can just take a hammer and whack a screwdriver through the ice till it hits bottom, but I take it one fracture at a time....like I said, it's like cleaving the Hope diamond.

I've done it at least a dozen times with ease.

Jon A.
08-03-2014, 02:25 AM
"If he succeeds, he will split one priceless gem into two priceless gems. If he fails, he will shatter the diamond into worthless dust". :D ~Garfield

Seriously though, I guess easy does it, or "Steady as she goes" as Captain Kirk often said.

philcophan
08-07-2014, 09:32 AM
Some of the old ice boxes had a 'defrost' setting on the stat.... kept the food reasonably cold while the evap defrosted... some even had a tray and tube down to the bottom so the water would be evaporated and you didn't need to put a big pan inside. The old designers thought of everything....

Countryford
08-19-2014, 08:14 AM
I'm currently restoring this 1948 Bendix washing machine. I've got the transmission all tore apart and rebuilding it currently.

http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y440/countryford83/09194720BendixWESTYSLANTFRONT_zps03cfc066.jpg (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/countryford83/media/09194720BendixWESTYSLANTFRONT_zps03cfc066.jpg.html )

Dude111
08-24-2014, 01:43 PM
Very nice,g00d luck with it!!!!

jr_tech
09-10-2014, 12:51 PM
Sorta related news item:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0908/GE-sells-appliance-division-to-Electrolux-for-3.3-billion
Wonder if in the future "real" GE items even up to 2014 will be collectable? :scratch2:
jr

Dude111
07-13-2025, 05:49 PM
I have one of those smaller/newer air conditioners in my window and it really sucks!!

I put it on 65 and close my door and go out and hours later I come back and it really isnt that cool in my room!

There is a button on this for "POWER SAVE" but it still runs much more than my older AC..... I should have had that one put in when I could! (That one is too heavy for my dad to lift)

MOST NEVER STUFF IS GARBAGE!!!!!!!

Telecolor 3007
07-25-2025, 07:24 AM
In Romania we had a program called "Marea debarasare" ("The big rid of"). Destroying hunderds of vintage electronics. Not so many house apliances, but probably some very old referigerators (pre 1963) ended up at scap. And some intresting washing machines. Didn't had an intrest on them back in those days.
But this power compusion thing is getting ridicoulous. Yes, big refrigerators from the '60-'80's do eat a lot of energy, but otherwise, old refrigerators are not so greedy as they portrait them.
Not even washing machines.
Only non-invertor a.c. units are really energy greedy.

DavGoodlin
08-07-2025, 02:02 PM
I recall a Pre-whirlpool RCA AC window unit when I rented in 84, never quite got my BR below 80, just not muggy. The compressor starting dropped the line voltage at the other end of the 1940s house

The room had corner-wrapping casement window, I had aluminum foil all over it on inside. A brick house in TX, this place was a hot box with a silly old gas wall waffle-looking job for heat, never used it, just smelled the pilot:thumbsdn:

Electronic M
08-07-2025, 02:26 PM
I recall a Pre-whirlpool RCA AC window unit when I rented in 84, never quite got my BR below 80, just not muggy. The compressor starting dropped the line voltage at the other end of the 1940s house

The room had corner-wrapping casement window, I had aluminum foil all over it on inside. A brick house in TX, this place was a hot box with a silly old gas wall waffle-looking job for heat, never used it, just smelled the pilot:thumbsdn:

I think at some point RCA ACs were made by Fedders before Whirlpool.

Dude111
08-15-2025, 02:00 AM
Yes, big refrigerators from the '60-'80's do eat a lot of energy, but otherwise, old refrigerators are not so greedy as they portrait themNope they arent.. They know the gullible people will buy the lies and give up tiher GOOD STUFF for crap!!!

Telecolor 3007
08-17-2025, 02:49 AM
The big one "ate" 1,500 - 2,000 k.W.h./year.

ARC Tech-109
09-16-2025, 02:06 AM
I go out of my way for the vintage appliances. Not the post-war or mid-century moderns but from the 70's thru the early 80's when things were made in the USA with pride. AC units are a 1987 vintage Whirlpool 18,500 240V sleeve and a 1971 Signature 6500 made by Harrison running a Techumseh AJ series piston compressor. Neither are a model of energy efficiency but as I see it they're both more efficient in the long run as they don't need to run the compressor 100% of the time unlike the last Denali 10,000 that couldn't keep up.
My freezer is a 1986 vintage WARDS made by Samsung and it's about the size of a larger dorm refrigerator, running R12 it maintains an interior temp of -15F, dehumidifier is a late 60's vintage Whirlpool and my gas range is a Magic Chef from the 1980's I traded a "modern" Whirlpool for and my toaster is a 60's vintage Toastmaster I paid a whole dollar for at a garage sale some decades back. Newest window fan is a mid-70's Eskimo with square corners, metal guards and blade, oldest is an Emerson made pedestal from the 1940's. I have a Whirlpool stacked washer/gas dryer combo from the late 80's as well that uses the 1st generation direct drive, they call it the "Thin-Twin" but has full size tubs.
Personally I don't like modern anything. Yuppie styling with uninspiring white plastics and cheap electronics that masquerade as "energy efficient. Being a child of the 70's & 80's I honestly feel uncomfortable with the modern world as it's very unfamiliar to me and sometimes this becomes very stressful. Not afraid to admit I'm on "the spectrum" and keeping the familiar old around for me is almost a necessity. In my world that's the way it is and I will keep living in the past not because I want to but because I have to.

Dude111
09-20-2025, 09:44 PM
A good reply to read my friend :)

Captain Video
09-23-2025, 11:59 PM
Important thread!!!

zeno
10-11-2025, 06:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz21ZF9eQOk

Telecolor 3007
02-22-2026, 07:12 AM
Ha, I wante to put that one. But you arleady post it.
The problem is that today you have cheap(er) machines and expensive machines, allmost nothing in between.
This is mostly like A.I., but it's true? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqyeZ5EfXGk