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Labrat 02-11-2012, 12:51 AM Over the years working as a service tech I have seen a great deal of electronic equipment destroyed/damaged by leaking batteries.
Because of that, I have not used the ordinary carbon/zinc type of battery for years. Instead, I use either Ni-MH batteries, or whenever voltage sensitive items are used, I use Alkaline batteries. Lately, I have found two cases of an Alkaline battery leaking. In all my years of servicing these are the only cases that I have ever heard of. I wonder if the manufacturers of batteries are doing something to lower the cost of production.
When standing in the check-out line at the local $2.00 shop, I frequently see cheap zinc/carbon batteries on the hangers, that are clearly bloated and having an internal hemorrhage. The acidic discharge of these batteries does not have to contact the equipment to do damage, the fumes alone are enough to do great damage.
I advise all collectors, enthusiasts, to not leave batteries in their equipment, unless inspected weekly. Even the precaution of using Alkaline batteries can no longer be considered as fail safe insurance.
Now to further my theory, note, I said theory, not theorem, I am posting photographs of 1. A leaking Alkaline battery, 2. A couple of 80 year old batteries from one of my coffin radios. The C batteries are still providing voltage and current after all this time. (Tested with a 20,000 ohm per volt meter) which is harder on the batteries than a grid circuit of some valves.
Anyway, have a look at the photographs. I welcome your thoughts on this subject.
Wayne End of part 1
Wouldn't you know they'd be Duracells. Those are the only brand of alkalines that I've ever witnessed to leak.
Have seen them corrode up like that and to also leak a green alkaline jelly.
Labrat 02-11-2012, 12:56 AM part 2
ChrisW6ATV 02-11-2012, 01:30 AM I have experienced leaking alkaline batteries for decades. In fact, I think they leak more often than other types. The "heavy duty" ones, they may be leak-resistant, but I never buy them. I have not seen a carbon-zinc battery for sale for years.
Eric H 02-11-2012, 03:12 AM Interesting coincidence that I removed two sets of leaking Duracell Alkalines today, one from a CD player the other from a remote control.
One pair had an expiration date of 2015, Neither device was seriously damaged.
I just checked all my remotes, all Duracell's with 2009, 2014 and 2016 exp dates and they are all fine.
I think the problem occurs when the batteries are dead and remain in the device, dead ones corrode.
I bought a huge pack of AA Enercell Alkalines from Radio Shack a few months ago when they had them on sale for $10, hope they hold up.
I've had my best luck (and life) from Panasonic brand batteries.
jstout66 02-11-2012, 08:44 AM Great.. another thing for me to be paranoid about. LOL!
I've had problems with leaking alkaline batteries the last few years. In my case.. they were all Ray-O-Vac, and figured it was limited to that brand and to never buy them again. I'll have to do better on checking the other brands I have at home.
Ed in Tx 02-11-2012, 08:56 AM Interesting coincidence that I removed two sets of leaking Duracell Alkalines today.... Were they as bad as these? Expired in 2009, picture from 2008. I've seen the same destructive leakage from Energizers too.
Mal Fuller 02-11-2012, 09:35 AM I've found that alkaline cells that have been subjected to a high current drain first use cycle, but which have plenty of remaining punch left are highly susceptible to becoming leakers before very long.
What they will leak is a clear liquid that isn't nearly as corrosive as the magunga which used to leak from zinc carbon cells.
Ed in Tx 02-11-2012, 09:56 AM Vast majority I've seen have been in low current remote controls, just sitting too long usually. What' bad is when they leak in a Mag Lite-type flashlight and corrode the threads so you can't get it apart. Trapped gasses will slowly eat away the aluminum coating on the reflector. A slow agonizing death to a flashlight.
compucat 02-11-2012, 11:04 AM I have found alkalines to leak badly sometimes even before they are run down. I have a calculator that I use at work every day and I noticed a little alkaline battery corrosion on one of the terminals. Check your batteries often and never leave them in anything unused. In fact, maybe I will remove the alkaline batteries from my CCRadio 2 that I run exclusively off of AC. I would hate for anything to happen to that. In my expensive pocket flashlight, I use AA lithium cells. They are expensive but don't seem to leak and they last a while.
dewdude 02-11-2012, 01:17 PM Pinball machines!
Some pinballs use 3 AA batteries for their CMOS ram backup. Operators usually knew about them...homeowners that have machines...don't. Usually when I customer calls us about a problem...chances are the batteries are 10 to 15 years past date and destroyed the board. I mean...I've had boards I've had to throw away because the battery damage was so severe it could not be repaired.
I've seen every brand of alkaline do this...usually long past expiration. Super heavy dutys I've seen split a seam..but rarely ever cause corrosion damage.
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ChrisW6ATV 02-11-2012, 01:37 PM Pinball machines!
Some pinballs use 3 AA batteries for their CMOS ram backup.
Thank you for reminding me. I need to check my Firepower machine.
ctc17 02-11-2012, 01:55 PM This is a huge problem now. I first noticed it when I was doing sound for a show and the duracel 9 volt exploded in the wireless mic. Then I noticed the bottoms were blowing out on duracel batteries while they were in the package.
All of them seem to leak now.
I have a feeling its due to China or the no mercury thing.
I have moved into rechargeables and Li ion where I can.
Electronic M 02-11-2012, 02:05 PM I once for some reason opened a working remotes compartment to find the battery leaking fluid.:yikes: I imediatly pulled the batteries and washed the compartment out before it was damaged too much.
Seen some 80's duracells a couple years back that looked a lot worse than anything posted yet.
It is really impressive that those 80 year old C supply batteries are still good!
Reece 02-11-2012, 03:01 PM Back in ancient times flashlight cells of different sizes didn't have metal jackets, but were in a printed cardboard sleeve that you could push the cell out of! My Dad gave me a black and chrome EverReady penlight when I was 4 years old and of course I left the battery of two AA cells in it and they leaked leaving the flashlight plugged. At that time before 1950 or so RayOVac was I believe the only "sealed in steel" cell and guaranteed leakproof or they'd replace your flashlight. I think Burgess D cells may have been also in steel, when I got into radio in the early fifties. I remember seeing lots of the older carbon zinc cells leaking, but then ran across this no-leak anomaly which sits on my desk.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/wrnewton/1945EvereadyCell004.jpg
Beachboy 02-11-2012, 09:44 PM I've seen the most leakage issues with Energizers, although I've had some Duracells leak too. I've never had any Ray-O-Vac leak, although I don't have as many of that brand in service. In years past, I've had Duracells that were over 20 years old and still showed a full charge, and no leakage. I get the impression that battery makers have cheapened up the product in the last few years.
jstout66 02-11-2012, 10:13 PM I've had AA Ray-O-Vac's leak in (and screw up) my digital home thermostat...smoke detector.. AND DVD remote. Will never ever buy that brand again. (and all batteries leaked before the "best if used by" date)
zenith2134 02-11-2012, 10:26 PM I reckon the battery makers are now at the mercy of the 'green'/environmental advocacy groups.
Brands which I frequently use are Energizer and Everready...I have a few nice mag-lites and one had a bad leak which rotted the spring in the base... I was able to obtain a new part luckily for around 9 bucks in a local junk shop.
The leakiest ones I've encountered have been Duracells too. Starting to see a trend.
And it's ironic since, growing up, we ONLY bought Duracell and yes they were a high-quality product from what I recall.
Geoff Bourquin 02-11-2012, 10:46 PM growing up, we ONLY bought Duracell and yes they were a high-quality product from what I recall.
Back then (well, when I grew up anyway) Duracell was a Mallory product, and I remember them being the best available at the time.
These days I don't see much difference between brands. I see just about all of them leaking, usually when I dig out someones remote control that has been in a drawer since 1995 and it still has the first set of batteries in it. I rarely see good batteries leak, but it seems the chemistry changes when they are dead. (Imagine that!)
OvenMaster 02-12-2012, 09:03 PM Just yesterday, I dug out a Canon T-50 film SLR and my old Bearcat scanner. The alkalines in the Canon and the Ni-Cads in the Bearcat have both leaked, and now I gotta find how to get them out and clean up the mess.
:rant:
Ooh. I can get in touch with Eveready for the Energizers in the camera. Their warranty says they'll repair or replace anything that is damaged by a battery of theirs that leaks. Should be interesting as the T-50 has been out of production since 1989. :smoke:
lnx64 02-12-2012, 09:10 PM Call me crazy, but I use Ultimate Lithium's from Energizer. Not only do they, in my Apple Magic Mouse, last a crap ton longer, but they NEVER seem to leak.
In this mouse, a Alkaline battery is lucky to last a couple weeks. On Ultimate Lithiums, it lasts several months.
maxhifi 02-12-2012, 09:21 PM Back in ancient times flashlight cells of different sizes didn't have metal jackets, but were in a printed cardboard sleeve that you could push the cell out of! My Dad gave me a black and chrome EverReady penlight when I was 4 years old and of course I left the battery of two AA cells in it and they leaked leaving the flashlight plugged. At that time before 1950 or so RayOVac was I believe the only "sealed in steel" cell and guaranteed leakproof or they'd replace your flashlight. I think Burgess D cells may have been also in steel, when I got into radio in the early fifties. I remember seeing lots of the older carbon zinc cells leaking, but then ran across this no-leak anomaly which sits on my desk.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/wrnewton/1945EvereadyCell004.jpg
That's really neat - I didn't know they were called "D" cells so early. How do the top and bottom of the cell look?
bgadow 02-12-2012, 10:29 PM I've noticed a lot more leakage from alkalines compared to a few years ago. Most recently it was with an early 60s GE transistor radio that uses D cells. For some reason I pulled the battery cover and it was a mass of corrosion. They weren't dead and the radio would still work if I jostled the cells. I had ignored the warnings in that case and installed a hodgepodge of cells, I think a mix of Duracell and some Radio Schlocks.
zenith2134 02-12-2012, 11:04 PM around the early 90s my father bought a rechargeable G.E. wallmounted unit with slots for C, AA, AAA, and D cells and the batteries were branded G.E. as well. Black case cells with cursive blue GE symbols. That set-up lasted many years and I just got rid of it all a few years ago. We had to replace the AAs since they got the hardest use. I remember it was a big deal when he bought the system because it wasn't cheap.
Zenith26kc20 02-13-2012, 08:45 AM Ni-cads gas off when they get old too. My IVIE spectrum analyzer was a victim of it's internal batteries! I use Ni MH now for rechargeables.
Ed in Tx 02-13-2012, 09:12 AM I had excellent results from the Energizer "E2 Titanium AA" cells. I put a pair in my HVAC thermostat in 2001 and kinda forgot it has batteries in it until last summer. Expecting to see some leakage I took it off the wall and all was clean. Tested the battery voltage and they still had about 1.4V per battery. They had an expiration date in 2007. I think I got my moneys worth! Seems they quit making those when I tried to find more.
BTW I've had NiMH leak too.
wa2ise 02-13-2012, 09:34 AM Why do the makers insist on putting corrosive crap in batteries anyway? :scratch2: :dammit: :D
Jeffhs 02-13-2012, 11:43 AM Ni-cads gas off when they get old too. My IVIE spectrum analyzer was a victim of it's internal batteries! I use Ni MH now for rechargeables.
I use NiMH batteries in a 2-meter amateur radio transceiver as well. Its first set of batteries was, IIRC, four NiCads, but they never leaked or otherwise made a mess in the battery compartment -- they just got old and to the point where they wouldn't hold a charge any longer. That's when I bought a set of four NiMH cells, and never looked back. Those batteries are much better than NiCads because, among other things, they do not have the "memory" effect NC batteries have, so one can recharge NiMH cells whenever they get weak -- no waiting for the batteries to go almost completely dead, as with NiCads. The memory effect in the latter is the phenomenon by which a NC battery, if charged before it is completely dead, will charge only to a certain point, then will not take any further charging.
I have used NC batteries in my portable ham gear for years, but since discovering NiMH cells and being very pleased with their performance, as I said earlier, I will not go back to the former. A four-cell battery pack I use with another handheld I own also has NiMH cells, but it doesn't get much use for reasons better gone into in the Amateur Radio forum. That NiMH pack, however, to the best of my knowledge, still works, and well.
I wonder if NiCad cells are still being manufactured today, or are all rechargeable batteries sold in the US now NiMH cells or packs? I would think, considering the fact that NiMH cells have no memory effect and can have higher current output than NC batteries, the former have pretty much if not totally replaced the latter in most high-current applications such as two-way radios, TV remotes, flashlights, any motorized device, et al.
Ed in Tx 02-13-2012, 12:20 PM I generally replace old NiCads with NiMH too, but some NiCad chargers won't charge NiMH properly. Maybe not up to a full charge, or the trickle charge current might be too high for NiMH.
Reece 02-13-2012, 06:20 PM MaxHifi asked....Here's the top of the 1945 EverReady. The metal cap on top of the positive carbon has EverReady stamped into the metal around the periphery. The top seal around that is some kind of hard black composition. The bottom of the cell is the actual zinc cylinder and is just a dull gray color. The DVM says it still has about 0.1 volt of potential.
My uncle who was in radio in the late twenties and thirties as a kid said he would round up old No. 6 "dead" dry cells, punch holes in the top, and submerge them in a bucket of water overnight. They would come back enough to be useful for a while strung together to light up some 01A's. I have some of his old tubes and equipment.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/wrnewton/1945EvereadyCell002.jpg
AUdubon5425 02-13-2012, 06:59 PM I had the same problem with "new" batteries leaking a little while ago - made a video of it: http://youtu.be/Exv61hUTblA
AndrewM 02-14-2012, 02:39 AM Like everybody else I have seen plenty of leaking alkaline and zinc carbon cells. Since they are normally user accessible, as long as you are careful to not leave batteries in equipment the problem is manageable.
The more serious issue is NiCad cells and batteries. I collect old computer gear and the first thing I do now is open them up and remove the NiCad batteries as they are VERY corrosive when they start gassing. The problem is these batteries were soldered in as they were expected to last the life of the equipment. 1980's TV's, some test equipment and anything else that relies on battery backed up memory is at risk. A lot of 1990's era computer equipment is now scrap due to severe damage caused by gassy NiCads.
So far I haven't seen any problems with old Lithium cells as used in later computers and old Apple Macs. I still pull the cells whenever I can though as a precaution.
Ed in Tx 02-14-2012, 10:30 AM Another one, from a radio controlled clock that just quit working, took off the wall and discovered a mess. Cleaned it up, put in a new battery and all OK.
kvflyer 02-14-2012, 07:31 PM Boy, does this hit close to home. We all now have lots of battery operated equipment. You just can't avoid it. I have a Nikon Speedlight that my daughter gave to me for the Nikon digital camera. I had installed Eveready Energizer batteries in it. It started to act flaky so I checked the batteries. They had leaked all inside of the device. And still, they had over a year left on the expiry date. Now, the expensive flash is ruined and Eveready could care less. I suspect that the batteries are being purchased "Off Shore" and are just junk. I will never use Energizers again...
CoogarXR 02-14-2012, 07:34 PM I have had 4 of my Mag-Lite flashlights ruined by duracell batteries. The Mag-Lite + swelled battery combo has been well griped about all over the 'net. There is such a small gap between the batteries and the side wall, when they swell the least bit, they get stuck. If they swell alot, they get VERY stuck, heh. I have had to drill a hole through the batteries, and make a corkscrew out of a thick coat hanger and thread it through the battery and pull like a slide hammer until it comes out. All of these batteries swelled before they were totally dead. The flashlights still lit, just kinda dim. These weren't just drawer flashlights either, these were flashlights I used daily for work. Something has definitely changed where these batteries swell and leak before they are even dead!
Jeffhs 02-14-2012, 08:46 PM Boy, does this hit close to home. We all now have lots of battery operated equipment. You just can't avoid it. I have a Nikon Speedlight that my daughter gave to me for the Nikon digital camera. I had installed Eveready Energizer batteries in it. It started to act flaky so I checked the batteries. They had leaked all inside of the device. And still, they had over a year left on the expiry date. Now, the expensive flash is ruined and Eveready could care less. I suspect that the batteries are being purchased "Off Shore" and are just junk. I will never use Energizers again...
I seriously doubt that your Speedlight is actually ruined. Have you tried cleaning the battery contacts? My best guess is when the Energizers leaked they just deposited a lot of electrolyte on the terminals. The only way I can imagine your light could be truly ruined or destroyed is if the electrolyte remained on the terminals for an extended length of time; this of course will corrode and eventually eat away the contacts. Get to the terminals in time, however, and you may have a good chance of salvaging the flash unit.
I bought a digital multimeter several years ago; when it arrived here at my apartment (I had bought the meter from Amateur Electronic Supply in Milwaukee and had been delivered here via UPS), it wouldn't work. I took it back to the store (a local branch of AES some 15 miles from me) and was told the internal battery (don't recall what type of cell) was dead; in fact, it had leaked in its compartment.
I picked out another, better meter, signed the warranty forms, and brought it home. Not five minutes worth of trouble with the new meter since; in fact, it still has its original 9-volt battery which is still going strong, but for how much longer is anyone's guess. I am not sure of the make of the battery in that meter (I think it may be Eveready, and maybe an Energizer at that), but if it is an offshore brand I just might replace it on general principles.
There is no telling these days where any kind of battery may have been made. Just because the battery has the Energizer name and logo on it does not necessarily or in fact mean they are true Eveready Energizers; in fact, the chances are good they are offshore garbage with the Eveready name hastily slapped on them.
zenith2134 02-14-2012, 10:08 PM I've had good luck reviving the maglite bottom(neg) spring with light sandpaper and isopropyl.
Thats crazy how some can swell inside the shaft and get stuck!
Kevin Kuehn 02-15-2012, 01:56 AM I went and looked at a vacuum tube voltmeter today at the local auction house(pre online auction viewing). One look and I walked away. The poor thing had corrosion seeping out all around the bottom case seam. I don't even want to know what it looks like inside. I also recently was given a TV tuner sub that's all messed up from someone leaving the batteries in it. :sigh:
Seeing that old Eveready reminded me of this old ad a friend once sent me.
http://videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=173336&stc=1&d=1329332049
zenith2134 02-15-2012, 08:31 PM aw,, as someone who has lost a dog, that is a very sad picture. But a great advert for sure. :tresbon:
Eric H 02-15-2012, 10:28 PM My Programmable Thermostat blanked out on me this morning and started flashing "Low Batteries"
I had forgotten it even had batteries in it!
Popped it open and changed them out, they were Duracells but they weren't leaking, just tired.
mrflex65 02-19-2012, 11:05 AM Just dug out my old trusty micronta cat. no. 22-214 multimeter from over 20 years ago!I forgot i even had it and still had the original batteries in it! no signs of leakage that i can tell. The 9v. still has about a volt left on it....:D
zenithfan1 02-21-2012, 11:10 PM Let us not forget about these batteries either.....LOL http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/macbook_inferno_an_apple_macbook_battery_catches_f ire.php
jhalphen 02-22-2012, 04:21 AM Hi Guys,
Let me share my experience.
Having a lot of battery powered equipment in my collection, transistor radios, micro-TVs & test gear, non-leaking power packs have always been a worry for me.
10 years ago, i switched all to Ni-Mh rechargeables. I was very happy, no leakage, but as they loose 80% of the initial charge after 3 months, most demos ended up with swapping batteries at demo time.
Since a couple of years i have swapped 1st generation Ni-Mh batteries for the newer 2nd generation sold as pre-charged and which keep their charge up to 80% of nominal after one year even if unused. These are a Godsend for the collector. Also, more importantly, none have leaked (so far).
I now differentiate according to use:
Collector items: 2nd generation Ni-Mh
Heavy duty frequent use such as LED flashlights: highest A/h rating classic Ni-Mh.
Very long term "forget when changed" items (remote controls, test gear): Lithium.
Best Regards
jhalphen
Paris/France
Ed in Tx 02-22-2012, 06:30 PM Oops.. forgot to take the batteries out of this remote. Found it today on a shelf with the obsolete stand-alone Sears Closed Caption Decoder it goes with.
Good ol' RadioShack "Enercell" alkalines.
http://www.videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=173462&d=1329956934
ChrisW6ATV 02-22-2012, 11:43 PM Ed, I would consider that CC decoder as an interesting collectible item itself. If I remember right, Sears may have been the only seller of stand-alone caption decoders. Their original one had rotary tuning knobs but yours is obviously a newer one with remote control.
Kevin Kuehn 02-23-2012, 11:39 AM I just found this Eveready in a VTVM. Still reading 1.4 volts and powers the meter just fine. When was the last time a D cell sold for 25 cents? Also has the leak damage replacement flashlight guarantee printed on the side. Pretty cool how manufactures -use- to care about the integrity of their product.
NowhereMan 1966 02-25-2012, 12:46 PM aw,, as someone who has lost a dog, that is a very sad picture. But a great advert for sure. :tresbon:
I lost a cat last year, so I do concur but it is a good picture.
Ed in Tx 07-23-2013, 07:49 AM Almost didn't catch these in time. Couple of Maxell-AA leakers in my Fenix LED L2P flashlight! Had to use a piece of wood dowel to force one of these out. Got to check these things occasionally. Flashlight was still working fine, no indication the batteries were failing. (Scratch Maxell off the list, as a good reliable battery.)
http://www.videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=179439&stc=1&d=1374583698
dtvmcdonald 07-23-2013, 10:50 AM Eveready, back in the Zn-Carbon days, used to guarantee that if their
battery leaked and ruined your anything they would replace, repair, or refund.
One seriously damaged an unusual scientific instrument of mine and they
insisted on trying to repair it, though it looked hopeless, and I had expected
them to renege. So I shipped it to them, expecting a renege anytime.
But it came back, untested, looking repaired, cleaned up and several
parts replaced. I turned it on and it worked fine for another 15 years.
(This was not a battery powered device ... the battery was a bias
gizmo floating at some high voltage.) I was amazed.
Doug McDonald
Zenith26kc20 07-23-2013, 12:41 PM Made in China.......
Watch out for high current NiMH cells (especially AA). They may be counterfeit low current relabels!
Also, had a radio come in for repair the other day. The customer had "Sunbeam" batteries in it. No corrosion but the top of the battery recessed into the cylinder and no longer made contact. Never saw that before...
Jon A. 07-23-2013, 01:00 PM Two of my mom's remotes were ruined by leaking batteries. Both just suddenly quit as I recall. Next thing we know, a lot of extra effort was required to remove the battery covers. No more alkaline batteries in her remotes, or in my remotes that actually use batteries. Lithium only. It's a wonder that the expired-last-year Energizer alkalines that came with my 1982 RCA remote when I got it in May not only hadn't leaked, but still worked. Even so, they have been removed.
AdamAnt316 07-23-2013, 02:28 PM Let us not forget about these batteries either.....LOL http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/macbook_inferno_an_apple_macbook_battery_catches_f ire.php
Oh yes, Lithium Ion as used in laptops and such can be nasty when something goes pear-shaped with them. Apple was the first to experience the combustible aspects of LiIon cells when they chose them for the infamous PowerBook 5300 (they switched to NiMH before it was released), and just about every other laptop manufacturer has had to deal with their flammable nature as well (not to mention Boeing with their infamous 787 Dreamliner!). I got lucky with my own MacBook Pro last year, turned it on, and saw that the battery indicator had a red 'X' over it. Looked at the bottom of the case, and saw that the top of the battery cover had swelled up quite a bit! :yikes: After some online research, I brought it to the Apple Store, and took it to their 'Genius Bar'. The guy took a look at the swollen battery, took a new one off the shelf, installed it in place of the defective one, showed me that the computer still worked, and sent me on my way. Say what you will about Apple, but they offer great customer service! :yes:
As far as other batteries go, I've had to deal with the effects of cells being left in old devices all the time. It's usually fatal to old-fashioned LED wristwatches, as the resulting corrosion eats away the battery terminals, or otherwise damages the circuitry. Got lucky with another Apple computer I have, a Lisa 2 (http://www.electronixandmore.com/adam/temp/lisa2.jpg), where the internal NiCd 5-AA pack corroded a little, but not enough to destroy the board. Haven't been so lucky with my Korg Poly 800 synthesizer, which had a set of batteries left in it at one time, and suffered corrosion on the circuit board. This has led to several lingering issues, including damaged circuit traces, and a myriad of circuitry glitches. To that effect, whenever I come across a battery-powered gizmo at a yard sale/flea market/swapmeet, I always open the battery compartment to look for signs of battery corrosion. If I find any, I often don't buy the thing unless I'm sure it can be repaired.
-Adam
rca2000 07-23-2013, 02:58 PM One VERY good reason NOT to pursue batteries with energy densities exceeding 500w/h. per pound....if something goes wrong....a LOT of instantaneous energy is released...very rapidly...BOOM!!
Ed in Tx 07-23-2013, 03:30 PM ...The customer had "Sunbeam" batteries in it. No corrosion but the top of the battery recessed into the cylinder and no longer made contact. Never saw that before... Only ones I haven't had leak so far (give'em time) are some Sunbeam alkalines I bought at Big Lots maybe 2 years ago. Two in another Fenix flashlight I have I checked last night after finding these Maxells leaking, Sunbeams still look perfect, at least a year older than the Maxells that leaked.
jhalphen 07-23-2013, 05:35 PM Hi to all,
When i mentioned Lithium cells in remote controls, i meant Lithium use-once non rechargeable batteries, AA & AAA sizes.
Rechargeable Li-Ion or Li-Po(lymer) are an entirely different animal.
Also Li-Ion & Li-Po have a nominal 3.7V/cell voltage whereas Lithium non-rechargeables follow the standard 1.5V/cell pattern.
Best Regards
jhalphen
Paris/France
Jon A. 07-23-2013, 05:46 PM That's what I use, non-rechargeables. Good to know that the rechargeables should be avoided though. Oops, just realized, it's not just the chemical composition that's different, they're entirely different.
AdamAnt316 07-23-2013, 10:30 PM Also, had a radio come in for repair the other day. The customer had "Sunbeam" batteries in it. No corrosion but the top of the battery recessed into the cylinder and no longer made contact. Never saw that before...
Had that happen with a Mag-Lite flashlight recently, using cheap "Ultralast" alkalines. The flashlight took a tumble, and became intermittent. Thought I'd broken something within the flashlight, but when I took out the batteries, the tabs on top of the Ultralast D-cells had been pushed in (not all the way, but definitely noticeable). Put in a fresh set of batteries, and the flashlight started working correctly again.
-Adam
holmesuser01 07-25-2013, 10:05 AM I bought a package of DieHard batteries (AAA) at Kmart one day. There were 10 in the pack.
I used 4 of them, and the next time I needed batteries, I found that the other 6 had burst. I looked at the 4 I had used in remotes, and found that even though the remote still worked, they had burst, too.
I'm not too happy about this, as one of the remotes is very old, and loaded with functions that are not on the machine it is controlling!! You know this problem.
KentTeffeteller 07-30-2013, 09:15 PM My One Touch/Animas Ping insulin pump is Energizer Lithium/Duracell/Energizer alkaline AA battery only. This device gets Energizer Lithium AA only.
mbates14 08-02-2013, 11:52 PM I still have an original 1980s radio shack 9v that was in an RC Car remote, the battery was still reading about 8.6v when I found it.
Jon A. 08-16-2013, 09:04 PM My One Touch/Animas Ping insulin pump is Energizer Lithium/Duracell/Energizer alkaline AA battery only. This device gets Energizer Lithium AA only.
No wonder, that would be an expensive loss.
There's a small box of batteries on my bench that are either dead or were old and removed as a precaution, I have been meaning to get rid of them. One of them *just* took a puke. The fizzling sound startled me.
KentTeffeteller 08-25-2013, 04:12 PM It would be a very, very expensive financial hit. Thousands of dollars worth. That is also why it is carried on the station insurance on the technical equipment.
lnx64 08-25-2013, 08:10 PM Speaking of batteries.
Went to pick up my modern tube receivers remote today, and noticed it was dead. It worked last night.
Went to go check the batteries, and nearly dropped it on the table when I saw this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/IMG_2791_zps8256150a.jpg~original
I saw that, and quickly realized, I need to check my remotes before THIS happens now.. The batteries expire next year..
Jon A. 08-25-2013, 08:18 PM It would be a very, very expensive financial hit. Thousands of dollars worth. That is also why it is carried on the station insurance on the technical equipment.
I recall a local fundraiser being held to buy someone an insulin pump. The family wasn't rich, but they weren't exactly poor either. Like seeing eye dogs, they ought to be free of charge to those in need. I don't understand the station insurance on the technical equipment bit.
Speaking of batteries.
Went to pick up my modern tube receivers remote today, and noticed it was dead. It worked last night.
Went to go check the batteries, and nearly dropped it on the table when I saw this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/IMG_2791_zps8256150a.jpg~original
I saw that, and quickly realized, I need to check my remotes before THIS happens now.. The batteries expire next year..
I say ditch alkaline altogether. They can go bust regardless of expiration date, even the "better" ones.
kvflyer 09-08-2013, 12:51 AM I have had exactly the same thing happen to my equipment.
First, we all have many more items that are battery operated. So, we have more opportunity to that corrosion.
I have had every brand of battery exhibit the problem. It started with Eveready batteries. They still had two years on the use by date. They corroded and ruined my Nikon Speed Light, not a cheap item. No real indication that something was going on since it still worked... a little.
Next, I don't see the battery companies even coming close to offering to replace anything caused by corrosion.
Last, one common denominator in all of the battery issues... China. Made cheaper = much higher profit for the battery companies...
Jon A. 09-08-2013, 11:37 AM Last, one common denominator in all of the battery issues... China. Made cheaper = much higher profit for the battery companies...
That makes sense. The common denominator for almost all electronic equipment. I suppose lithium batteries aren't made there. There's one kind of equipment that will probably never be made in China though: medical equipment. Imagine the lawsuits because of crappy Chinese equipment breaking and killing patients whose lives depend on the stuff.
Ed in Tx 09-08-2013, 12:50 PM Last, one common denominator in all of the battery issues... China. Made cheaper = much higher profit for the battery companies...Been using "Made in U.S.A." D and 9V "Duracell Procell" batteries the past few years, and so far no leak problems. Various dealers on Amazon sell these. Pretty impressive life I've noticed with the D cells. I have a Sangean portable radio that uses D cells and they last a long time in that radio, pretty sure longer than any other alkaline D cells I've tried. Have not tried the AA batteries though.
http://www.videokarma.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=180072&stc=1&d=1378662550
Dude111 09-09-2013, 03:37 PM I still have an original 1980s radio shack 9v that was in an RC Car remote, the battery was still reading about 8.6v when I found it.Ah you have one that was STILL MADE GOOD!!
Ya I have had some batteries leak,what a mess they make in the battery compartment!!
Jon A. 09-09-2013, 04:03 PM I find that 9 volt batteries rarely leak. I saw a remote with corrosion on the battery terminals, but other than that, nothing.
VintagePC 09-10-2013, 01:33 PM I find that 9 volt batteries rarely leak. I saw a remote with corrosion on the battery terminals, but other than that, nothing.
That might well arise from the inner construction - many 9v batteries contain 6 AAAA cells within, so if those leak, there's still the outer "shell" to contain the mess.
Jon A. 09-10-2013, 04:23 PM That might well arise from the inner construction - many 9v batteries contain 6 AAAA cells within, so if those leak, there's still the outer "shell" to contain the mess.
Good enough for me. I had an alkaline 9-volt backup battery go dead in an alarm clock earlier this year, but no mess. The 9-volt lithiums I see would probably be overkill. I have some remotes that use 9-volt batteries. One theory of mine is that they could be made to more stringent standards (the outer shell) because of their use in smoke detectors.
VintagePC 09-11-2013, 08:19 PM Good enough for me. I had an alkaline 9-volt backup battery go dead in an alarm clock earlier this year, but no mess. The 9-volt lithiums I see would probably be overkill. I have some remotes that use 9-volt batteries. One theory of mine is that they could be made to more stringent standards (the outer shell) because of their use in smoke detectors.
Conveniently on-topic episode of EEVBlog today for those interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9JGfoLxVCo
Jon A. 09-12-2013, 01:10 AM The off-brand batteries that came with my and my mom's DVD players, I threw them out without even removing the plastic wrapping. Wouldn't even trust them for testing. My '87 Trinitron remote came with off-brand batteries, and my '82 RCA remote came with Energizer alkalines that had technically expired the year before. Fortunately, they hadn't leaked, and actually still worked. Tossed them anyway.
Conveniently on-topic episode of EEVBlog today for those interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9JGfoLxVCo
Looks like I'll be using Duracell 9-volt batteries from now on.
lnx64 09-30-2013, 05:17 PM Speaking of leaky newer batteries again. My bluetooth keyboard for my Mac, it's got exploded AAA's in it. These are the same batteries it came with, a year and a half ago (Logitech brand, and OEM Duracell's).
:( Damn.
Jon A. 09-30-2013, 08:54 PM While stocking shelves at the thrift shop today, I discovered a remote with a single battery left in it that had leaked somewhat. Of course I turned it back in rather than putting it out on the floor.
Jeffhs 10-01-2013, 12:27 AM I had a bad experience with a sealed nickel-metal-hydride (NiMH) battery pack recently. The pack is used with my 2-meter FM hand held transceiver (Yaesu FT-207R); recently I found corrosion around the battery terminals in the radio as well as what appears to be electrolyte leakage around the terminals of the battery pack itself. The battery had not been used for quite a while (months or even a year or more). I'm afraid to try to charge it for fear of the thing exploding and wrecking the radio, or worse. :eek:
Jeffhs 10-01-2013, 12:33 AM Speaking of leaky newer batteries again. My bluetooth keyboard for my Mac, it's got exploded AAA's in it. These are the same batteries it came with, a year and a half ago (Logitech brand, and OEM Duracell's).
:( Damn.
Does your keyboard work with new batteries, or did the old ones leak electrolyte on the battery terminals? If the latter, I'm afraid your keyboard may be ruined, as the electrolyte in all alkaline batteries is extremely corrosive and will eat through the terminals in short order.
lnx64 10-01-2013, 03:13 AM Cleaned up it works fine with new ones. Scary though even though the old ones were leaky, they still were working with 70% charge. I was surprised.
dieseljeep 10-01-2013, 08:47 AM The off-brand batteries that came with my and my mom's DVD players, I threw them out without even removing the plastic wrapping. Wouldn't even trust them for testing. My '87 Trinitron remote came with off-brand batteries, and my '82 RCA remote came with Energizer alkalines that had technically expired the year before. Fortunately, they hadn't leaked, and actually still worked. Tossed them anyway.
Looks like I'll be using Duracell 9-volt batteries from now on.
My sister always throws the included cells away, unless they're Energizer or Duracell.
I, myself, use them, but keep an eye on them. I always remove the cells from remotes, I'm not using for a while.
KentTeffeteller 10-06-2013, 09:33 AM Reason why the insulin pump is carried on the station insurance under technical support equipment, it would be $6500 to replace it. The station insurance agent recommended this.
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