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lnx64 01-16-2012, 08:04 PM This is a continuation of what I mentioned in my introduction thread here:
http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=253180
I thought it was just the blue colors, but it does affect red also, but not seemingly green.
(I didn't want to post technical stuff in the introduction forum, as it would be off-topic).
This is the high contrast color blowout issue I was describing there..
Low contrast:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/lowcontrast.jpg
High contrast:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/highcontrast.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/colorblowout.jpg
Convergence or AGC issue? I could be simply overdriving the poor hybrid tube/SS board, but I usually like super bright whites..
rcaman 01-16-2012, 08:12 PM you have a weak crt seen it many thousands of times. it,s like me gettimg old and tired. steve
zenith2134 01-17-2012, 12:38 AM Hi.. Havent seen this posted on VK since it's a commonly diagnosable dying crt.
The infamous Bleeding.
My great grandparents had an old color set that did this. I don't know which because it got thrown away when I was very young.
I believe this happens because the cathode output is getting too weak and is down real close to the cutoff.
jpdylon 01-17-2012, 10:06 AM You see this symptom in solid state sets more than tube. The cathode gets weak, reducing brightness. So the user cranks up the contrast and brightness a little. The smear to the right I believe is actually caused by the driver transistors on the CRT board going into saturation - but I don't remember for sure. More of a tube guy than SS. Never seen this symptom on a tube chassis yet.
old_tv_nut 01-17-2012, 11:08 AM You see this symptom in solid state sets more than tube. The cathode gets weak, reducing brightness. So the user cranks up the contrast and brightness a little. The smear to the right I believe is actually caused by the driver transistors on the CRT board going into saturation - but I don't remember for sure. More of a tube guy than SS. Never seen this symptom on a tube chassis yet.
Yes, output transistor saturated by overdriving it. When a transistor is driven into saturation, it also stores charge that has to be pulled out before it can be turned off again - hence the delayed transition.
Could be weak picture tube or just a design that doesn't limit the drive levels to prevent this. You could try adjusting the cutoff (G2) voltage, may find a compromise of G2 and brightness control. Or just turn the contrast down some.
lnx64 01-17-2012, 12:22 PM Hmm, being a hybrid design, im not too sure what drives the CRT directly.. It looked like it was tubes though, but other parts are solid state also..
I'll need to see what I can adjust or replace.
sampson159 01-17-2012, 06:48 PM we called this "firing up" back in the day.usually a weak crt would cause this.also as mentioned about drivers.customers would turn the contrast up full and watch away,24-7
lnx64 01-17-2012, 07:15 PM I think it has to do with the circuitry, not the CRT, because on the original SS board, it didn't do this.
Unless the hybrid board wasn't designed to be run on this CRT? Which is a possibility actually.
compucat 01-17-2012, 07:55 PM It is a weak CRT. I had a 1989 solid state Zenith console that after about twelve years or so of use as my living room TV the picture got this red smear. The only thing I could do to compensate is turn down the brightness and contrast controls. It is a tired tube, nothing more.
ChrisW6ATV 01-17-2012, 08:46 PM I could be simply overdriving the poor hybrid tube/SS board, but I usually like super bright whites..
You may already know this, but "super bright whites" is a good way to make a CRT die relatively young. ;)
The high-voltage power supply in that set is being overdriven in the high-contrast picture for sure; compare the "TV Guide" logo in the lower right in that picture to the same logo in the low-contrast picture. The distorted logo is the sign of the power supply driven into non-linearity. Another common sign of overdriving is channel logos (those "bugs" in the lower corners of many TV channels) that change position depending on the video content elsewhere on the screen. Crank the contrast down and that problem often goes away.
Geoff Bourquin 01-17-2012, 09:38 PM I often "fixed" that by turning the brightness down to almost minimum then running the screen control up as high as required to get acceptable brightness. Sometimes you get retrace lines before the brightness is good enough. In that case you're "circularly inclined planed". In any case, this is a bandaid approach to a dying CRT and wont last too long. I always suspected pushing the tube that hard I was accelerating the demise of the CRT, but if the alternative is taking it out back and shooting it :uzi:, it was worth a try.
radiotvnut 01-17-2012, 09:50 PM Those horrible '90's Zenith CRT's would do this, among other things that are related to a bad CRT. I've done all sorts of things with the adjustments on those sets in order to squeeze a little extra life out of the tube.
mbates14 01-29-2012, 10:27 PM Ya, well in my experience on 90s zeniths, the colors would go "watercolor" and flash different color rasters as the tube warmed up.
holmesuser01 01-30-2012, 08:43 AM Has the OP tried adjusting the focus slightly? I've seen much worse than this.
mstaton 01-30-2012, 09:52 AM I agree weak CRT. Our '72 maggie had this issue relatively early(about 4 years). It got so bad, it was unwatchable. It smeared several inches to the right. the rebuilt tube lasted much longer.
DavGoodlin 01-30-2012, 11:33 AM My 95 Zenith 25" BPC is going to recycling center has a weak CRT. It also has a recurrent PC board issue that causes vertical shrink that I fixed twice.
I got the brightness up by hitting it with my tester's CRT rejuvenate function and backing off the bias controls, but it did not last long before smear came back. My theory is that the gun, when driven to max, will not cutoff like it should, hence the smear to the right. Funny, I don't ever remember a green or blue smear like that.
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