View Full Version : Roundie in Philadelphia


JCFitz
03-26-2011, 10:02 AM
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/atq/2286103597.html

Anybody know what chassis this is? it's definitely not from the 50s.:lmao: Me likey.Only problem is where to put it.:D:scratch2: Shame on me considering another roundie when I'm practically out of room.:nono: I think he needs to come down a little before I'd overcrowd myself.:)

But I'd have no problem if someone from here would save it and me from overcrowding.:)

JB5pro
03-26-2011, 10:06 AM
CTC 16 from '66 or '67. It has the wrong tuner knob fro a newer set. For 100 I should hope it has a good fly and crt at the very least based on prices i have seen

JCFitz
03-26-2011, 10:35 AM
Uh-oh a CTC16.:drool:I 've read here that is one of RCAs best chassis.Yeah I wouldn't pay that unless he let me test the crt at least.

miniman82
03-26-2011, 11:07 AM
Why not? $100 seems to be a pretty fair price for a roundie these days, it's what I paid for my CTC-9, and $125 for the CTC-4.

JB5pro
03-26-2011, 11:21 AM
if the cabinet was mint i would think 100 is good even with bad fly and crt but that is such a common set that one can get for not much more working good from what i think i have seen. i bet both the fly and crt are likely good in that since it is obviously a replacement crt because of phospher color.
there is no comparison to that old tired CTC-16 and almost any repairable CTC-9 in terms of value. i am not trying to come across as anything close to an expert. jus reviewin what i think i have seen/read

miniman82
03-26-2011, 02:06 PM
According to my RCA manual, the 21FJP22 is what it's supposed to have, so the green color on the face would be normal. No way to tell it's been replaced till you see the back of the tube.

drh4683
03-26-2011, 06:31 PM
that set looks like it has about a million hours on it. Never seen one with so much wear around the tuning knob that that. First thing you'll do is change the 6GH8's and at the same time, the tube sockets will go right through the pc boards.

bluenorm
03-26-2011, 09:51 PM
picture tube for late ctc 16 is 21fjp22a

JB5pro
03-26-2011, 11:11 PM
It could be the lighting but the screen color looks lighter than the original style greenish 21FJ. Even the color knobs look like someone used Formula 409 to clean them leaving maybe none of those very pretty colors they should have.
What a product name... Formula 409... with such a technical sounding name like that it must be very good. Sooo much better than than the previous four hundred and eight versions.

DaveWM
03-26-2011, 11:45 PM
heck they say or best offer, someone go throw them a 40$ offer, or you could go up some if they let you test the CRT (and you peek at the FLY).

I figure 40$ is fair if for nothing more than parts that "should" be ok, I guess you could get a real heap (bad fly/yoke/vert out, shorted Pwr trans, broken converg assy, in which case you would be down to maybe getting pots, coils, tuner, etc...



I just tell them the truth, if the CRT is bad then it become VERY hard to repair since they are hard to get. And even if its test just OK there is alway the chance of it dropping dead to gas (that is what happened to a zenith I picked up a few months back, it had a weak tube, and after about 30 min of combined run time it just went to air, and the filament burned out before I even knew what happened.

anyway thats my 2 cents on it.

I dont know if they understand that collectors are not getting rich off these old sets, you can drop a lot of coin trying to get one up and running and most likely will never get your money back,much less profit on it.

I think after they get a few calls, you know, I'll be right over, give me directions, I am on the way, etc... and then the caller never shows up, they will begin to understand that money talks.

JB5pro
03-26-2011, 11:55 PM
I agree with Dave on all points.
It is a shame most people can't figure out for themselves what is logical and will most always, no matter how much they smile with "sincere" niceness, believ u are not telling the truth to make a fortune off them. I am sure many great sets ended up in the trash from such typical mindsets. Some people believ such to the point of resenting anybody that offers less than what they want to the point they get angry and enjoy "getting back at you" by trashing the set rather than recognize an honest person and accept a reasonable offer.
However, with this very tired but very worthwhile CTC16 I bet he takes a low offer.

DaveWM
03-27-2011, 09:01 AM
you know even a 40$ is prob a "great" offer when you put it into perspective (outside our TV collector view point). If not for a handfull of guys (and gals if you are out there) that can actually do something (other than the alledged repurposing of the cabinet which I would bet rarely ever gets done or is kept very long if it does), these things would cost money just to have someone haul them away. I am sure there are exceptions, and I would have no problem buying from another collector where the working status is well know and therefore the set has more value, but with these kinds of sets (CL buys with unknown status) that are not operating its really just a crap shoot.

Sometimes i wonder if non collectors find this site and get all worked up over our at times rabbid like obsession, and think they are really going to score big.

Of couse what they dont know is A) not all old TV's are created equal, B) like real estate location location location, and C) even we have limits on how many can be save due to size and storage.

JCFitz
03-27-2011, 10:50 AM
if the cabinet was mint i would think 100 is good even with bad fly and crt but that is such a common set that one can get for not much more working good from what i think i have seen. i bet both the fly and crt are likely good in that since it is obviously a replacement crt because of phospher color.
there is no comparison to that old tired CTC-16 and almost any repairable CTC-9 in terms of value. i am not trying to come across as anything close to an expert. jus reviewin what i think i have seen/read

It may be a common set in certain parts of the country especially around big cities but this Delmarva.Lots and lots of rural area and most beach and fishing areas.The oldest sets I found even in the mid 80s when I searched out tvs were late 60s Zeniths and early 70s hybrids unless they were being sold by an antique dealer.

Philly is barely within reasonsable driving distance for me.I've driven farther for a jukebox but as you said this is a low value tv of unknown condition that may have a lot of hours on it.I think Bryan Gadow has an impressive collection for being in this area but he gets around more than I do and has been collecting tvs for years. I sold or gave away all I had until recently when I got interested in old sets again.I still don't have any room.

JB5pro
03-27-2011, 11:32 AM
I agree with Dvae that $40. should be top dollar if dealing with fair minded people. I agree that many people skim the pages of this site and see what they want to see and believe they have something worth 100 times more than it is. I agree that if u can't find one anywhere 100 could be a low price but I recommend Daves approach to possibly get a fair price even if no others are around. At any day there could be 2 or 3 to choose from right after u buy it. However, I am sure it is worth going to look at and explain to the buyer all relevant points and most likely they will let u peek inside the cabinet and HV cage at the very least if they are in any way a decent person with half a mind or better. I think the fact that set exists after all the use it apperas to have had indicates a strong likelyhood it could have a new flyback and very good if not newish CRT.
I hope somebody can get to it to help avoid losing a new flyback and or picture tube. Even if you dont have room for the whole cabinet that I think looks pretty nice, you could save the parts and throw the cabinet in the trash (save some wood veneer for repairing other cabinets) which is much better than the whole thing being trashed which is most likely what will happen to it. I wish I could go get it.

Jeffhs
03-27-2011, 11:39 AM
that set looks like it has about a million hours on it. Never seen one with so much wear around the tuning knob that that. First thing you'll do is change the 6GH8's and at the same time, the tube sockets will go right through the pc boards.

I know what you mean. I had a Sears Silvertone 21" color roundie (RCA CTC-12 clone, IIRC) in the early '70s that was instantly ruined when I tried to replace the 6AW8 video output tube. I tried to put in the replacement tube, which had a slightly bent pin, and five seconds later I heard a sickening CRUNCH as the socket broke out of the board and clunked to the bottom of the set. The TV was only about six years old, but who knows how much use it got during that time. If it had been used a lot (I don't really know how much it was actually used, as I got this set from someone in my old neighborhood who had had it in his garage who knows how long), the PC panels became brittle from heat. It doesn't take much to break a socket out when the boards are this fragile; once that happens, you might as well junk the set since this kind of damage is difficult, if not downright impossible, to repair.

JB5pro
03-27-2011, 11:43 AM
I agree with Dvae that $40. should be top dollar if dealing with fair minded people. I agree that many people skim the pages of this site and see what they want to see and believe they have something worth 100 times more than it is. I agree that if u can't find one anywhere 100 could be a low price but I recommend Daves approach to possibly get a fair price even if no others are around. At any day there could be 2 or 3 to choose from right after u buy it. However, I am sure it is worth going to look at and explain to the buyer all relevant points and most likely they will let u peek inside the cabinet and HV cage at the very least if they are in any way a decent person with half a mind or better. I think the fact that set exists after all the use it apperas to have had indicates a strong likelyhood it could have a new flyback and very good if not newish CRT.
I hope somebody can get to it to help avoid losing a new flyback and or picture tube. Even if you dont have room for the whole cabinet that I think looks pretty nice, you could save the parts and throw the cabinet in the trash (save some wood veneer for repairing other cabinets) which is much better than the whole thing being trashed which is most likely what will happen to it. I wish I could go get it.

no offense intended jeffs :) i put this here jus hopin my words are seen to get somebody to get the parts at the least cause i got a feeling that set is worth it. jus seems to be a logical likelyhood

JB5pro
03-27-2011, 12:57 PM
More on my logical assuption... There is no way that is the original CRT cause it has no catatracs and the phosphor color is lighter than the original for that set. That fact along with the wrong knob and color controls that have been cleaned wrong erasing the pretty colors indicate the set was used alot and therefore had repairs. It is almost a certanty that the flyback was changed for it to last long enough to need a CRT. So, doesn't matter the circuit boards may be baked. You are likely to get a god CRT, Flyback, Yoke, correct wood veneer to repair cabinets and many other small parts, maybe even a good transformer. Then you are stocked tomaintain or rebuild another and just throw away all you dont want like the cabinet faceplate, etc.

miniman82
03-27-2011, 02:08 PM
More on my logical assuption... There is no way that is the original CRT cause it has no catatracs and the phosphor color is lighter than the original for that set.


All respect due, that is just as you said- an assumption. Just because it's free of PVA deterioration is NOT proof of other chassis parts replacement. I had an original Zenith tube in my closet that had no cats... The lighter color may just be because of the way the photo was taken, and it wasn't a very good shot to begin with. Also remember that not all brands used the same material to attach the lens, and there's no promise they all transmit the same amount of ambient light. Ones with frosted lenses will look different still.

That fact along with the wrong knob and color controls that have been cleaned wrong erasing the pretty colors indicate the set was used alot and therefore had repairs.

Again, conjecture. Proof of use is not proof of repairs. Just because a set has a lot of hours doesn't mean it had repairs, I've seen plenty of sets go all the way on all original parts.


It is almost a certanty that the flyback was changed for it to last long enough to need a CRT.


What do you base this wild claim on? Again, I have seen many sets with a lot of hours and original transformers. My own CTC-4 has a lot of hours on it, and aside from a flyback that RCA themselves changed (apparently due to a manufacture's update part, not failure as evidenced by the hang tags left by the techs), the chassis was all original when I picked it up from the original owner's home in Indiana. The CRT in it had been replaced at least 3 times, which can be seen by the glass welds on the picture tube. So by your logic, it has had at least 2 flybacks replaced right?

So, doesn't matter the circuit boards may be baked. You are likely to get a god CRT, Flyback, Yoke, correct wood veneer to repair cabinets and many other small parts, maybe even a good transformer. Then you are stocked to maintain or rebuild another and just throw away all you dont want like the cabinet faceplate, etc.


High hour sets do tend to have baked PCB's, but again, we can't see the back of the set. Mark's CTC-9 had some good hours on it, ask him what condition the chassis parts were in when he started...


I not saying this to be a jerk or anything, but there are some wild claims being made here. I know I'm not alone when I say that not all of these old sets were 'bad' with respect to maintenance, in fact some of them went a lot of years between servicing and never needed parts. My CTC-7 still has the original flyback, and has had at least one CRT replacement during it's lifetime...

JCFitz
03-27-2011, 04:19 PM
All respect due, that is just as you said- an assumption. Just because it's free of PVA deterioration is NOT proof of other chassis parts replacement. I had an original Zenith tube in my closet that had no cats... The lighter color may just be because of the way the photo was taken, and it wasn't a very good shot to begin with. Also remember that not all brands used the same material to attach the lens, and there's no promise they all transmit the same amount of ambient light. Ones with frosted lenses will look different still.



Again, conjecture. Proof of use is not proof of repairs. Just because a set has a lot of hours doesn't mean it had repairs, I've seen plenty of sets go all the way on all original parts.





What do you base this wild claim on? Again, I have seen many sets with a lot of hours and original transformers. My own CTC-4 has a lot of hours on it, and aside from a flyback that RCA themselves changed (apparently due to a manufacture's update part, not failure as evidenced by the hang tags left by the techs), the chassis was all original when I picked it up from the original owner's home in Indiana. The CRT in it had been replaced at least 3 times, which can be seen by the glass welds on the picture tube. So by your logic, it has had at least 2 flybacks replaced right?




High hour sets do tend to have baked PCB's, but again, we can't see the back of the set. Mark's CTC-9 had some good hours on it, ask him what condition the chassis parts were in when he started...


I not saying this to be a jerk or anything, but there are some wild claims being made here. I know I'm not alone when I say that not all of these old sets were 'bad' with respect to maintenance, in fact some of them went a lot of years between servicing and never needed parts. My CTC-7 still has the original flyback, and has had at least one CRT replacement during it's lifetime...


I have to agree.He's condemning it to a parts set and hasn't even seen the inside of the set.High hours doesn't necessarily bake circuit boards.

I know I'm comparing a completely different set here but I have a 56 Admiral here that defininitely had high hours on it. only 1 tube was an Admiral tube and it was weak.The crt was missing the base but comparing the label with an RCA Silverama tube I have here which is identical I believe it is a replacement Siverama tube rather than the original further evidence of high hours. it's darkened somewhat around the heater area(I'd say from high hours) and it is even a little weak but has a great picture after about a minute or 2.The flyback and yoke are original though.

Only the area around the audio output tube is baked somewhat since it's a hot running tube that they pc mounted.

JB5pro
03-27-2011, 05:28 PM
hey dudes dr. phil might call u "right fighters" if u keep misinterpreting my words. my point is someone should go check it out whether to save or parts if nobody else wants it .... doii :)

miniman82
03-27-2011, 05:31 PM
I take your words as I see them...

If you're stating your opinion that there are likely bad parts because of your opinion that the CRT is a replacement, I've interpreted your words exactly as they are written.

I you meant that someone should check it out to ascertain it's condition, would it not have been easier to just say so?

Clarity on the internet is important, we're not talking to each other face to face and often times people can be misunderstood.

JB5pro
03-27-2011, 05:42 PM
I take your words as I see them...

If you're stating your opinion that there are likely bad parts because of your opinion that the CRT is a replacement, I've interpreted your words exactly as they are written.

I you meant that someone should check it out to ascertain it's condition, would it not have been easier to just say so?

Clarity on the internet is important, we're not talking to each other face to face and often times people can be misunderstood.

Why are u tryin to say I mean things i dont mean? any reasonably well educated pperson that reads what i wrote will support my claims as fair minded with an obvious intention to save the frikk n TV. why write to me as though i wrote something wrong or innappropriate? U really can't understand what i wrote to obviously try to save a good worthwhile set? u can't see i am on the same team as u? perhaps u dont like my words of jest in other posts and dislike me for having a sense of humor above high school level?
could u do me a flavor? give me a break pleeeas!!!!!!! go fix tv's and respect me as i respect u

Sandy G
03-27-2011, 05:50 PM
OK, guys, let's all back off a notch or 2 here...Yes, the WRITTEN word can, and frequently DOES, get taken the wrong way-'Specially on the Internoot...That's why we ALL have to be a lot more accomodating & give each other the benefit of the doubt.

JB5pro
03-27-2011, 05:57 PM
fair enough :)

miniman82
03-27-2011, 05:58 PM
Why are u tryin to say I mean things i dont mean?


I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you what your statements meant to ME. It was my impression that you were saying the set had obviously bad parts in it because of what you perceived as a replacement tube. That may or may not be the case, but my previous statement stands: you can't sit there and say it has other bad parts simply because the CRT has been replaced. There's no basis in fact for that, none of us have seen it.


any reasonably well educated pperson that reads what i wrote will support my claims as fair minded with an obvious intention to save the frikk n TV.

I never said it should not be saved, I'm simply disagreeing with your assertion that CRT replacements also mean flybacks and other parts must have gone bad. It's simply not true, until proven otherwise.


u can't see i am on the same team as u? perhaps u dont like my words of jest in other posts and dislike me for having a sense of humor above high school level?


We are all on the same team, what we have here is either a failure to communicate or a misunderstanding. All I'm doing is disagreeing with you, if you don't like it you're free to disagree with me as well.

could u do me a flavor? give me a break pleeeas!!!!!!! go fix tv's and respect me as i respect u


I'm not bagging on you, it helps to have thicker skin on the net though. After all, you don't even know me so it makes no sense to get mad at a computer screen. The people who do know me (banderson, Mark, Wayne, ect) know that I'm pretty easy going, let's just chill a little bit.

JB5pro
03-27-2011, 06:02 PM
coo koo....coo koo

marty59
03-27-2011, 06:08 PM
Okay, I'm going to bring up the CRT in question on this set. When the CTC-Xx series sets were introduced they came from RCA with their new "Hi-Lite" series tube which the safety glass had the blueish tint to it and matched the appearence of the bezel.

The earlier CTC-16 series with the greenish surround on it's bezel had the greenish tint tube that was not a "Hi-Lite" but more along the lines of earlier 21FJP's.

The RCA "Colorama" series rebuilts had the blueish face just like the "Hi-Lites".

Yes, I do believe that this set has some kind of a replacment CRT in it.

Heck, any tube that has no cateract, has vacuum and tests good nowadays is always a keeper! Even if it was some cheap local off brand rebuild!

Parts set or not, someone needs to check it out!

miniman82
03-27-2011, 06:14 PM
coo koo....coo koo

I take it you don't believe 2 people can have a disagreement without also having an arguement, then?


Marty, I didn't know the bezels also changed to match the CRT's. Pretty interesting. If that is so, then it likely does have a replacement tube in it. Funny thing is both my old RCA sets have this sort of beige colored CRT surround, where the 21CYP22 tubes in them are grey or some kinda off-white. Wonder when they started color matching the bezels? Had to be after the CTC-9 series...

jstout66
03-27-2011, 06:17 PM
I like that cabinet style. It's a late 16 or it might even be a CTC-20.

JCFitz
03-27-2011, 06:19 PM
I didn't mean to get you guys riled up at each other over a tv neither of you want and both are probably too far away to save.:no:

I saw this set on craigslist and thought someone here might save it that lives in a big old house or has a shop behind their house might save it:o. I thought I might like an RCA roundie to keep my 29JC20 Zenith company but dammit roundies take up a lot of room and I already have in a single wide mobile home 6 jukeboxes,a1967 Seeburg HSC1 album player(Its like an overgrown console stereo that's a cross between a jukebox and a console stereo holds 50 albums and is 6 feet long to those that never heard of it and don't know what one is:eek:)1 large size Magnavox console stereo,1 Zenith roundie console tv,a 1951 RCA b/w console and the 1956 admiral console soon to go to its new home.

If no one wants to save it rather than fighting with each other maybe I should have just kept it to myself.:nono: It is a 3 to 4 hour trip 1 way though. I only wish someone in the area would check it out first.:sigh:

miniman82
03-27-2011, 06:28 PM
I didn't mean to get you gys riled up at each other over a tv neither of you want and both are probably too far away to save.


There's no arguement being had, only a disagreement. Is the community so touchy-feely that we aren't even OK with disagreeing with each other?

I hope the set gets saved just as much as anyone, and I also hope the CRT, yoke and flyback are good! :thmbsp:

Sandy G
03-27-2011, 06:48 PM
I hope the set gets saved just as much as anyone, and I also hope the CRT, yoke and flyback are good! :thmbsp:[/QUOTE]

RIGHT THERE is the MAIN thing ! SOMEBODY needs to save it, one way or another...The supply of Roundies IS finite, the newest ones are 40+ yrs old, we need to try & save as many as we can, so hopefully future generations can enjoy 'em for the technological marvels they are...Imagine having a WORKING Roundie in 2100 or 2150...Due to the efforts of a bunch of "Mad Monks" way back in 2011..

bgadow
03-27-2011, 10:24 PM
I decided not to read most of the stuff in this thread! All I can say is, if the crt is good, this is a bargain as a parts set. It may someday reach the point when $100 is the going price for a good CTC-16 flyback.

DaveWM
03-27-2011, 10:54 PM
yep thats my point, if you cant test the CRT then 40$ even if its bad and the fly is bad you can still hopefully get some other parts. If the CRT test weak then it maybe gassy and iffy. If the CRT test strong then its a good deal for it alone. Looking at the fly will help to determine if it looks in good shape or toast. So if you cant test the CRT and the Fly looks like toast or you are not permitted to even look, I would stick to around 40$. You can go up based on the results of testing or observation or both.

kinda funny 3 pages on a tv no one has even looked at :) kinda supports the rabbid theory....

Bill R
03-27-2011, 11:01 PM
I wish it was close to me. I would be all over it. If nothing else to see if the CRT was good, since I will need one for my CTC-12.

JB5pro
03-28-2011, 04:16 AM
There's no arguement being had, only a disagreement. Is the community so touchy-feely that we aren't even OK with disagreeing with each other?

I hope the set gets saved just as much as anyone, and I also hope the CRT, yoke and flyback are good! :thmbsp:

i guess i am jus a dingbat. i feel like i am in church being scolded for saying the wrong word and risking being sent to he--
i jus did not want to be misunderstood but if someone says my words somthin other than what they mean seems right to correct
i am not a "right fighter" my best TV friend Dr. Phil taught me no to do that :)
i sincerely apologize to all for being an idiot of sorts. i never intend disrespect and surely do not want to irratate or hurt feelins ever. now i am gonna cry with morris alberts "feelings" yes i really do think that is a beautiful song but the cry part was in jest

TV Engineer
03-28-2011, 10:33 AM
I live in Philadelphia, so this will be easy for me to go see.

Seller has been contacted.

While you guys fight and argue, I'm gonna go check it out, and prolly buy it.

marty59
03-28-2011, 11:30 AM
I live in Philadelphia, so this will be easy for me to go see.

Seller has been contacted.

While you guys fight and argue, I'm gonna go check it out, and prolly buy it.

Good for you! Keep us posted.

JCFitz
03-28-2011, 11:58 AM
I live in Philadelphia, so this will be easy for me to go see.

Seller has been contacted.

While you guys fight and argue, I'm gonna go check it out, and prolly buy it.

Thank you.I was hoping someone in Philly would save it.:thmbsp:That's why I posted it. Not to start an argument.I kinda wanted it:( like I said but I live 4 hours away and have no room.it should be saved at least for parts if its got serious issues or you don't have room to keep it.:)

JCFitz
03-30-2011, 12:24 PM
I live in Philadelphia, so this will be easy for me to go see.

Seller has been contacted.

While you guys fight and argue, I'm gonna go check it out, and prolly buy it.


Any news on this set?
Did you get it? It's down to $50 now.

sampson159
03-30-2011, 02:19 PM
i have a perfect chassis and very good crt for this.i wish it were closer.i like this cabinet!

DaveWM
03-30-2011, 06:43 PM
if it was within driving distance of me it would have been gone by about the second post on this thread...

JCFitz
03-31-2011, 10:28 AM
if it was within driving distance of me it would have been gone by about the second post on this thread...

What's reasonable driving distance for you? This is 4 hours from me 1 way and with only 1 day a week off work (I need 8 hours or more sleep to function) it would have to be on Sunday and with no rain in the forecast (open bed pickup).

DaveWM
03-31-2011, 11:54 AM
that is a bit much for me with out knowing the CRT, last one I got was 2.5 hrs each way, but I could see the CRT working (it did however quickly die).

Turned out to have a pretty rusty chassis, but other than that it worked.

Guess it all depends on how bad you want one. I was expecting TV engineer to get it since he said he was close.


If I was going to drive 4 hrs each way, I make darn sure the seller will be there and will have it. I would even go so far as to pay him a non refundable deposit, that way he knows you are for real, and would be willing to pass on another buyer if someone shows up before you. Just pay pal him 25$ and say if I am not there by an agreed upon time then he keeps the money and sells to next buyer.

I have heard people complain that a seller sold it after they had called and asked him to hold it for them. But from seller point of view, I am sure there are a lot of phone calls that never turn into action, and if they hold it waiting for someone that had called, and pass on a warm body with cash in hand, they can get screwed. By pay pal a deposit every one is safe, unless of course the seller is just a scammer, so the deposit has to be looked at with a bit of a gamble by the buyer.

JCFitz
03-31-2011, 06:59 PM
I was expecting him to get it too but I found it still there with the price reduced and was wondering if he had checked it out or not.I am thinking about contacting the seller myself if he doesn't save it. Just dreading the trip and if it ever stops raining here in the northeast I really need to do the first mow of the season.The grass is getting really tall in spots.

Why can't nice roundie color tvs show up closer? :sigh: Some people are surrounded by them. It really depends where you live when people are calling these sets common.Big City=Good. rural area= not so good.


I was expecting TV engineer to get it since he said he was close.


If I was going to drive 4 hrs each way, I make darn sure the seller will be there and will have it. I would even go so far as to pay him a non refundable deposit, that way he knows you are for real, and would be willing to pass on another buyer if someone shows up before you. Just pay pal him 25$ and say if I am not there by an agreed upon time then he keeps the money and sells to next buyer.

I have heard people complain that a seller sold it after they had called and asked him to hold it for them. But from seller point of view, I am sure there are a lot of phone calls that never turn into action, and if they hold it waiting for someone that had called, and pass on a warm body with cash in hand, they can get screwed. By pay pal a deposit every one is safe, unless of course the seller is just a scammer, so the deposit has to be looked at with a bit of a gamble by the buyer.

DaveWM
03-31-2011, 07:13 PM
yea I know, big city mid west seems the best. good luck with it.

JCFitz
03-31-2011, 09:45 PM
I finally emailed this guy. He says a couple of people are interested. If they don't pan out he's gonna contact me. Let's hope TV engineer or one of us is on it and not a fishtanker:no: if I don't hear back from him.

bgadow
03-31-2011, 11:16 PM
I've driven to Philly for a roundie before, but right now no time, no space, no money...other than that, I don't know why I haven't bought it yet! :)

JCFitz
04-01-2011, 07:58 AM
I've driven to Philly for a roundie before, but right now no time, no space, no money...other than that, I don't know why I haven't bought it yet! :)

Got the money...lol. No space but I can make space:) and no time but I can make time:)

TV Engineer
04-03-2011, 01:20 PM
I was told I'm second in line last week...

I have the seller's address and phone number and he has mine, and I will hear from him if the first interested party doesn't follow through.

JCFitz
04-03-2011, 05:06 PM
I was told I'm second in line last week...

I have the seller's address and phone number and he has mine, and I will hear from him if the first interested party doesn't follow through.

I sure hope the 1st in line is one of us and not a fishtanker or flat screen inserter.:no:

JCFitz
04-05-2011, 04:08 PM
It's gone. Did you get it tvengineer or did the other guy get it? I guess I'll delete this guys email now. I don't need his email address for anything now.

TV Engineer
04-08-2011, 08:24 AM
I received an e-mail from the seller this morning.

The first interested party never contacted the seller, so, since I am next in line, he is offering it to me. I have indicated that I want it, and will be making arrangements to retrieve it from him later today.

Incidentally, FYI: The seller indicated to me in our previous correspondence that he was taking the ad down since he had two interested parties. He did as he said.

So, consider it sold, to me. You are correct JC Fitz. You don't need his e-mail for anything now.

Electronic M
04-08-2011, 02:47 PM
Gald to hear a VKer got it! Good going.

Tom C.

TV Engineer
04-19-2011, 11:01 AM
I picked the set up from the seller last week. After removing the back cover to check the CRT, which is an RCA service company replacement installed in the early 80s that tests as new, I discovered that it is in fact a CTC16X chassis. The cabinet is also in very nice condition.

I have done nothing with the set other than store it safely on my porch, as I have no idea when I will begin restoration.

But, just so ya'll know, the set is saved!

Sandy G
04-19-2011, 11:06 AM
Awrite !! Another one saved by The Good Guys...(grin)

bgadow
04-19-2011, 10:44 PM
The RCA Service Co couldn't have installed too many more round tubes after that! How late did that progam run, anyway?

TV Engineer
04-20-2011, 04:41 AM
The RCA Service Co couldn't have installed too many more round tubes after that! How late did that progam run, anyway?

The RCA Service Company was in operation until approximately 1994. After the sale of RCA to GE, they became combined service centers for both brands. Around the mid 90s they began shutting down the owned and operated factory service centers, and began shifting over to a network of independent authorized service centers.

In mid 2009, with the sale of RCA to a Chinese company, the RCA service organization ceased to exist entirely.

TV Engineer
04-20-2011, 04:53 AM
I finally emailed this guy. He says a couple of people are interested. If they don't pan out he's gonna contact me. Let's hope TV engineer or one of us is on it and not a fishtanker:no: if I don't hear back from him.

I must say that I truly don't appreciate this.

I had already indicated here that I had contacted the seller. Attempting to do an end run around me is rather underhanded and is certainly unethical.

Nuff said.

Kamakiri
04-20-2011, 09:27 AM
I disagree. That's like saying if I bid on a set on eBay, I call dibs and nobody else can bid. It's all about who wants it more.

At the moment, I have no sets of this kind, and I really want one. If I wanted it bad enough, I'd have driven to Philly to get it and offered the guy $100 more than you paid. But I don't, so you got it.

If it wasn't for this post, chances are you would have never known about it.

miniman82
04-20-2011, 09:39 AM
I had already indicated here that I had contacted the seller. Attempting to do an end run around me is rather underhanded and is certainly unethical.



You are preaching to the choir, I've missed many sets in my own backyard by a matter of minutes. Be faster next time.

TV Engineer
04-20-2011, 11:11 AM
I disagree. That's like saying if I bid on a set on eBay, I call dibs and nobody else can bid. It's all about who wants it more.

At the moment, I have no sets of this kind, and I really want one. If I wanted it bad enough, I'd have driven to Philly to get it and offered the guy $100 more than you paid. But I don't, so you got it.

If it wasn't for this post, chances are you would have never known about it.

I thought, apparently mistakenly, that once someone here indicated that they were going after a particular set, it was a courtesy we all paid each other to not take it out from under them, and in the case of e-bay, to not drive the bid up on them. That is how it works in the circles I travel in. Since I am aware that all bets are off with the folks here, I will keep that in mind next time I see a set I want.

As far as me not knowing about it if it wasn't posted here:

I live in Philadelphia, check all of the usual places for sale ads, and have a few spots to look for stuff that I check in at that none of you know about. I do come up with some pretty fantastic stuff too, I just don't post it here. In fact, I don't post much here at all. So, please don't have such an inflated view of this site and delude yourself into believeing that I "wouldn't have known about it otherwise." How very smug of you.

To miniman82...

I couldn't have acted any faster. I had made contact with the seller, and was waiting for his first offer to either follow through our duck out. He ducked out. While I was waiting in line, someone tried to cut me out. I got the set anyhow. Fortunately, the seller has a higher ethical standard than many on this board.

Maybe this is why I mostly lurk around here.

David Roper
04-20-2011, 11:16 AM
We're mostly better off for it.

Kamakiri
04-20-2011, 11:28 AM
I thought, apparently mistakenly, that once someone here indicated that they were going after a particular set, it was a courtesy we all paid each other to not take it out from under them, and in the case of e-bay, to not drive the bid up on them. That is how it works in the circles I travel in. Since I am aware that all bets are off with the folks here, I will keep that in mind next time I see a set I want.

As far as me not knowing about it if it wasn't posted here:

I live in Philadelphia, check all of the usual places for sale ads, and have a few spots to look for stuff that I check in at that none of you know about. I do come up with some pretty fantastic stuff too, I just don't post it here. In fact, I don't post much here at all. So, please don't have such an inflated view of this site and delude yourself into believeing that I "wouldn't have known about it otherwise." How very smug of you.

I had assumed a simple redirection of the topic interjecting a little reality would suffice, thereby leading to some constructive thought, but I assumed incorrectly. Instead, I should have simply deleted your comment or edited your post, followed by a PM explaining that any bashing of any member isn't tolerated in public forum here. Mea culpa, I'm a bit rusty at moderating rude comments of one member versus another that are simply in bad taste. But I will not tolerate you disrespecting me personally, as I have not fired a shot at you.

Now, my point was simply that the internet is capitalism at its best, and worst. There's no official site policy on this. If one bids on a set that he likes, but another has been looking for that exact set for a long time and it appears, you can't expect the other person to gnash their teeth and not bid just to be a nice guy.