My son and I carried this one up out of a couple’s basement late Saturday afternoon… my back is still hurting. If there's a next one, the chassis is going to come out first. :yes:

I can't quite make out the chassis number.
According to SAM'S, it's a CTC-10-C. Apparently it was made the same year as the CTC-11 we found two weeks ago.

Kevin

A peek inside. The CRT tested good. I'm delighted that this one has the separate safety glass.

Kevin

What year was that made in? Nice quad speaker setup, should sound nice once you get it going.

-J

I'm not sure of the year. SAM'S is dated 2-61.

It has a trio of speakers, one oval woofer and left-right tweeties.

Cabinet is Maple, I think Early American style. Not my favorite, but it is pretty.

Kevin

thats a very nice looking set. look brand new!

Wow! That is one beautiful CTC-10! PLEASE, let me know asap IF you ever decide to sell it. A 10 is on my must have list. I'm trying to obtain at least one excellent example of each chassis up to CTC-16. No pressure though, just sayin'.

Wow Kevin, nice score! That set is in fantastic condition and no cataract!

Now you can reflect on your good fortune while your back heals:)

-Clark

P.S. Great avatar

Nice set Kevin! I have the exact same CTC10 cabinet style, but I have a remote controll version.

How and where did you find this set? Was it a cragislist? Just curious.

Kevin,nice set though I'm not a fan of the early American style either.
That color emblem is interesting,can you post a close up of it?

Is it lenticular to give the illusion of changing colors when you move toward it?,I had a RCA tabletop that did that.

How and where did you find this set? Was it a cragislist? Just curious.

First, we sneak into peoples homes disguised as furniture delivery guys, and then we offer to take dangerous old electronic stuff that normally requires harzardus recycling fee's. :D ;) Well, the first part is sorta true, we do deliver furniture into peoples homes. :)

Kevin

Kevin,nice set though I'm not a fan of the early American style either.
That color emblem is interesting,can you post a close up of it?

Is it lenticular to give the illusion of changing colors when you move toward it?,I had a RCA tabletop that did that.

Yep, it does that. Will try to take a closeup later.

Kevin

Zounds, there's hardly even dust inside. Nice score, and this one should be a piece of cake after you finish the CTC -11.

Phil Nelson

Thanks to everyone for the positive comments, I'm enjoying showing it off, even though the cabinet is not exactly my flavor.

I hope my sarcastic sense of humor doesn't rub anyone the wrong way... I'm not really a mean guy that steals peoples old TV's.

Here are some pictures of that Color emblem. It doesn't like being photographed up close, the colors glow better from a distance.

Kevin

Kevin, a very nice set indeed. And I LIKE the cabinet style.

I am with John on that, the cabinet style looks great!

Furniture style is a pretty interesting study, and not one that usually makes sense. Stuff just happens and ends up being transitional. :scratch2:

Kevin

When I was buying and selling used TV sets the early American cabinet styles were always hard sellers. Most people didn't have that decor.

Kevin,

Nice score there. Your model is the CTC-10 "Montecello." RCA called the finish "orange maple veneer." The remote version is called the "Fairhaven."

-Steve D.

Something tells me that Bob G. is going to enter the furniture delivery business!

Great find; there were some really attractive sets in the CTC-10 lineup, and I think this is one of them.

When I was buying and selling used TV sets the early American cabinet styles were always hard sellers. Most people didn't have that decor.

I didn't say I wouldn't buy it today, as I only collect. I don't buy and sell anymore. That set is in pristine condition.

That set is beautiful!! Guess I'm living on the wrong side of the state!

we saw too many early american cabinets here.it was the most popular style back then.we were economically repressed in this area.not sure this had anything to do with this.sun tv always had the early american items discounted.usually about 10 per cent less.at least 7 out of 10 sets we saw were purchased there.

It probably looks nicer than reality in the pictures. It's generally clean, but it's got some dings and scuffs. Stuff you'd expect after 50 years. It was always stored inside a home. The basement it came out of was a very nice living space.

Kevin

that condition storage seems to be the key, I bet the filter caps will be fine.

that condition storage seems to be the key, I bet the filter caps will be fine.

We'll soon find out. :D

Kevin

Was poking around and noticed that droptop found one of these same sets not too long ago. http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=249411
His also looks to be in excellent condition, possibly even nicer than mine.

I like the swirled maple top on his much better than the one I found. That is one beautiful piece of wood.

Kevin

Kevin,
Great score- and you had help loading. It doesn’t get any better than that. There is quite a difference in the veneer pattern between the two although the color is the same. I’m just glad it found a new home.

The set I have appears to be in similar condition to yours- just light scuffs etc from 50 years of use. We both got lucky in finding the sets in such good shape fresh out of the house. I haven’t powered mine up yet as I like to change out the electrolytics to keep stress off the power transformer.

The CYP in my set checks out great. Hopefully I’ll get time to work on it soon. Is your safety glass clear or tinted? Mine appears tinted the same as on my CTC 7 Grenoble. Did they come both ways?

Keep us posted on your set and progress.

Rick

Hmm, my CTC-7 had tinted glass too. I thought it was just x-rays.

Is your safety glass clear or tinted? Mine appears tinted the same as on my CTC 7 Grenoble. Did they come both ways?


Rick,

I thought it was clear, but it's really hard to say for sure without taking it off. And I'm not even sure how to go about doing that.

Kevin

:)
I did the bad thing and turned the set on without replacing the electrolytic caps. :no: I slowly brought up the mains voltage while monitoring both the AC input and the HOT cathode current. I also have a 3 amp fuse in my variac. All seemed well, and I had a raster, but I couldn't get any video through the tuner. The pictures below are with the B&K 1077B's signal being directly injected into the IF though that phono plug that normally goes into the tuner. And there's no audio either. At least I know the HV and sweep circuits are working pretty decent. And the big filter caps stayed cool after an hour or so of this goofing around.

So now I need to figure out how the HV wire comes off that 21CYP22A. You certainly don’t take the CRT out to disconnect it? The HV wire disappears behind the CRT front clamp/cover. :scratch2:

Kevin

wow, that has great color and lineairity.

They are shockingly colorful. I watched a 60's RCA color set as a child, but I had no recollection of how well these worked until a couple of weeks ago. That was when I fired the CTC11 up.

Kevin

You don't take the wire off the tube, you take the anode wire out of the HV connection on the HV rectifier cup. Rotate the round cover on the cage so you can get a needle nose in there, then give the anode wire a tug and it should just come right out.

You just pull straight out on it, you don't need to pinch it and wiggle it out like on a CRT?

Kevin

Nope, it just sits in the rectifier cup, no clip. Don't try to pull it out from the front of the cage though, it usually takes a little turn from the top of the cage to get to the cup. That's why you have to reach in there and pull it off the cup, but make sure you either discharge first or use an insulated tool!

Thanks for the help. I'll go see if I can hurt myself.

Kevin

It'll hurt if it bites you, but it won't kill you. lol

Kevin,
It looks very promising. Your results now have me wanting to check out my 10. I just might bring it up slowly this weekend to see what happens. The seller told me they had it powered up and got “colored snow” so maybe it will come to life. I’ll let you know.

My CTC 7 sat for nearly two years before I got the chance to restore it. I noticed the glass looked dark but figured it was dust accumulation. Not until I removed it did I realize it was tinted.

My 10 has the same appearance so I’m guessing they were tinted. I saw a mention in an older thread (that I can’t find now) about tinted glass being used to keep room light and glare from the surface of the tube because of the lack of brightness of the CRT IIFC.

By all means discharge the HV cup before reaching in there. I leave it grounded with a clip lead as a smaller charge can build up again in my experience.

It'll hurt if it bites you, but it won't kill you. lol

And it will leave a lasting impression- usually on your elbow or head….

Rick

yea its not the shock so much, but rather what sharp things that you get cut on as you jerk you hand away....

I got the HV wire unplugged last night without any injury. I had a glove on, plus I used the needle nose. I now have the chassis down in my basement shop, but haven't gotten around to looking at it yet. I sure wish there were a small color test CRT a guy could plug into one of these while powering up on the bench.

Kevin

You mean like a Sylvania Check-a-Color? I have one of those. :yes:

You mean like a Sylvania Check-a-Color? I have one of those. :yes:

Nice! That must make life a lot easier. Did RCA make something similar?

Kevin

Yes, these devices are generically called "test jigs". I also have a Sylvania Chek-A-Color, model CK3000. They usually include adapter cables to connect to the yoke, CRT, HV, and ground of the chassis, and you plug in an adapter to replace the convergence yoke onto the chassis. One RCA model is the 10J106. The newer RCAs have a 19" CRT, and the Sylvanias have a 13" CRT that I have seen. With the adapters, you can connect any one of these to any brand of color TV chassis. In fact, the RCA and Sylvania jigs use the same adapters (as newer TVs were sold, both companies made new adapters for them, into at least the late 1980's).

Well, now I wan't one of these test jigs. Just for fun. :yes:

Kevin

I got one, its an RCA deal, has an impedence selector to match the yoke to the TV, no dynamic convergence (coils there, just not used), a 30kv analog meter. and a bunch of adapters. Never used it as not sure how to figure which adapter to use on different sets. It missing the entire back half of the plastic enclosure, making it somewhat fragile. Seem like it could be useful, but I think I would need to build a shelf to mount it above the bench just to get it out of the way (19' pretty big and heavy).

You service guys that used these back in the day, did you have them on roll around carts or just leave them around on the bench? Did they really get used a lot?

Dave,

Take a look at these items I just spyed on ebay. Maybe something you're needing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vtg-RCA-TV-Industry-Compatible-Test-Jig-Program-Manual-/380058816243?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item587d454ef3

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vtg-RCA-TV-Industry-Compatible-Test-Jig-Program-Manual-/380058816252?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item587d454efc

http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-COLOR-TV-TEST-JIG-ADAPTER-10J107-/370322865844?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5638f67eb4

Kevin

I've got a CTC-10C set, but its got a danish cabinet. I have no idea what model it is because the stickers are all gone from the chassis and CRT, plus the back was gone when I got the set... and the CRT was broken.

My plate safety glass is not tinted. It's clear.

The COLOR logo under the CRT fell apart on my set. I used super-glue to attach it back, and it is discolored now over where the glue was applied. I see it everytime I look at it.

As for durability, my set had several tubes replaced along with the CRT (an FBP... I didnt know about the color differences with the CYP) I've replaced one electrolytic can, and disabled the varistor. The set runs fairly well, and has decent color. I've had mine since 1975.

Probably the CTC-10 "Hathaway" model 211-CD-89 in Walnut. W/O remote. The remote version was "The Longport" model.

-Steve D.

Thanks for that information, Steve.

Hathaway sure doesent sound danish to me...

I have GOT to take some pictures of this set. Somewhere, I have an old Polaroid SX-70 picture of the set with color-bars on the screen.

I've got to say it: The pictures above of this set are sure showing some beautiful colors!! My set has never been that vivid!

Bruce

Bruce,

Go to Ed Reitan's Color TV History site: Ed Reitan's Color Television History
Address:http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/

Scroll down to CTC-10 Models, click on, to find a list that includes the "Longport"/"Hathaway" model.

-Steve D.

Thanks, Steve. That's my set. My knobs are different, as they came from a CTC-11. My 10C has survived 6 moves, and a couple of hauls up and down flights of stairs. I had issues with bad ground tabs at one point, but after I soldered it up, it never happened again.

I've got a CTC-10C set, but its got a danish cabinet. I have no idea what model it is because the stickers are all gone from the chassis and CRT, plus the back was gone when I got the set... and the CRT was broken.


Hi,

I think you have the same cabinet that I found my CTC-11 in. I wish I had the safety glass version, but I'm not complaning.

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=249905

BTW, my camera makes the screen shot colors look a little more vivid than in actuality. You can tell that the color tint in the background is a little goofy. So apparently the camera is somehow adjusting to the bright light of the screen. It’s about impossible for me to get decent screen shots with the room lights on. It’s a pretty cheap camera, plus the guy operating it is not exactly a pro photographer. :no:

Kevin

Tonight, I have renamed my Roundie, "Jane." Kind-of goes with the Hathaway name.

So apparently the camera is somehow adjusting to the bright light of the screen. It’s about impossible for me to get decent screen shots with the room lights on.
Join the club! My digital "auto-everything" camera frequently auto-adjusts in ways that produce wrong screen colors. Black & white screens look blue, the entire screen is too bright because the camera adjusted to brighten the darker surroundings, etc.

Some cameras let you choose settings for different types of light. You can also bring more/different lights into the room, buy photography light bulbs with different color temperatures . . . it's a whole 'nother topic.

Phil Nelson

Phil, I hear ya... I'm just thankful we can all share the pictures as easily as we do these days. This would be a whole nother experience if we had to mail them out. I'm also very thankful that I can load pictures directly to this site, without a host. :thmbsp:

Kevin

How much storage for pics do we have, anyway? I've been posting a lot of pics, and the bar never seems to fill up.

I located nice (looking) Sylvania Test-a-color jig, complete with a pile of adaptors, but it seems the CRT shows bad grid leakage on the green gun. :( It has a MV13VAHP22 CRT in it. I wonder how scarce that tube is to find these days? Will a 13VAHP22 also work it this application? I've no idea what the MV stands for. Thanks for any ideas.

Kevin