A few months back I met a fellow, local collector who sold me my Admiral 24A12 (http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=246875). A real nice guy with some cool stuff :yes: Well, I heard from him yesterday and he's moving down to Texas but the collection isn't. So I went over to take a look at what he had left.

That turned out to be a Predicta Siesta, GE 800 "locomotive", a nice Zenth tombstone and a bunch of smaller 40s radios.

Mainly I was interested in the Siesta with original stand. The GE 800 has some damage to the top vent and a crack all along the bottom. The speaker is trashed too and it's a little rough inside. However, I tested the CRT and it's good so I dragged it home too.

Actually, both CRTs tested better than most, if not all, of my other tubes. That's great except now I think I need to revise what I considered to be a "good" CRT. Maybe all my others aren't as good as I though. I guess time will tell.

Here they are in the garage. Both have all their original knobs, but, as usual, the Predicta has no antenna. At least it has a nice plate to cover the hole.
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I was surprised to discover that the stand is mostly wood. I had figured it was metal.
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I'll know more once I bring them inside and take a closer look.

Nice, looking forward to watching the progress on both.

I popped the cover off the back of the Predicta and discovered it's a 10L43 chassis. This version has a power transformer and I think is one of the more reliable versions. It appears to be 100% original - not a single replaced cap that I can see.
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Normally, I wouldn't just power a set up this early in the game, but the previous owner had it running when I picked it up. No picture, but strong sound on local VHF channel 6.

I checked out the HV tube - it's a Philco and still good.
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I carefully powered it up and also got good sound and with a little control fiddling got a horizontal trace.

So I went to check on the 6DR7 vertical oscillator / output tube and the frigging thing shattered as I tried to pull it from it's socket :eek: I carefully used some long nosed pliers and extracted the remains.
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What's really weird is that I wouldn't have any replacement 6DR7s except that I just ordered a few to restore an EICO 369!

So I popped one in and slowly powered the set back up. After a bit more control tweaking, I can't believe it's actually working :banana: :beerchug: :grnbounce I've wanted a working Predicta for so long. Of course, I'm not going to leave it running and will do a proper recap when I find the time.

Here are some clips from an old Jack Nicholson movie I think. There seem to be some vertical linearity issues, but I'm not complaining :D

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wow, that is amazing it it working on the orig caps, great find.

Nice score!

and that chassis looks super clean !

I don't know if these transformer models with the 6DR7 are known to be as picky as the series set models for tubes in the vertical circuits....

I went through a bunch of 10DE7's to get ones that would allow me to set the height and linearity properly. The first tube that I had was a Philco replacement and it streached out the top the worst!

Fortunately I had access to a good stash and kept the best. Some folks will tell you that the Sylvania's work better and that would be "mostly" true. However, don't shy away from either Tung-Sols or RCA's either.

Your tube tester won't know the difference between them!!

Great find! It looks so original and it probably hasn't had much use going by the condition..:)

G.

how does the pcb look around the 6bq5, the damper and the horz out? if low time I bet the pcb still looks nice and brown, not baked looking.

Also how does the fly look? again betting it looks pretty darn nice.

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Is the 6DR7 the one near the front of the set, right side in the picture? near the volume control? Or is that the audio out tube? Looks like the getter at the top was going white, as if the vacuum has leaked out. Probably the tube was cracked before you tried to remove it. If so, you didn't ruin that tube, it was already bad. Only worry if you cut your hand on the busted glass.

Is the 6DR7 the one near the front of the set, right side in the picture? near the volume control? Or is that the audio out tube? Looks like the getter at the top was going white, as if the vacuum has leaked out. Probably the tube was cracked before you tried to remove it. If so, you didn't ruin that tube, it was already bad. Only worry if you cut your hand on the busted glass.

Yes, that's the one - you have sharp eyes :yes: Here's a hi-res picture: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3282/4628614814_db449eeb54_o.jpg

I was lucky and didn't cut myself. I recently picked up an EICO 369 that also had a gassy 6DR7. I wonder if they were prone to failure :scratch2:

I'll pop the back off and take a look at the PCB in the areas asked about sometime soon. The CRT tests like new and the areas I have looked at look much better than the other (dead) Predicta I have. The plastic screen cover is in especially nice condition. The only significant damage is on the top of the cabinet near the antenna. I suppose I'll repaint it someday. Before I do I'll be sure to find a good paint match. I really like this gold finish!
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Here it is after a little cleaning - that includes the stand and old rabbit ears the previous owner gave me. I also tweaked the vert. linearity as best I could. It's still off a little, but the control is fully rotated. I'm sure it would benefit from a recap and perhaps trying a different 6DR7 tube. Occasionally, the horizontal lock freaks out and it's hard to get it to lock again.

The clock is working fine. I'm not quite sure how the alarm works though. There also appears to be a 0-120 minute timer on it. I suppose that turns off the TV when it reaches 0 ?
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Very nice! I had a chance to get that exact predicta last summer at an estate sale but they wanted $300 for it. I ended up leaving with an ultra-rare International Harvester lawnmower,it's built by Lawn-Boy but is yellow and white with the IH name. It's almost done being rebuilt out in the garage.

The clock is working fine. I'm not quite sure how the alarm works though. There also appears to be a 0-120 minute timer on it. I suppose that turns off the TV when it reaches 0 ?

The Siesta has an always-on electric clock, wired between the outside cord and the set. Based on playing with my own set, the Siesta clock controls works like this:

To use TV normally....set clock to "ON" and turn TV on using main TV controls.

To allow TV to shut itself off....set clock to "OFF" while watching TV, then dial up to 120 mins on dial.

To allow TV to turn itself on....set clock to "AUTO", set to desired channel, set time with alarm hand on clock, and be sure to turn TV on with main control.

To awake to alarm only.....set to "ALARM", set time with alarm hand on clock, and leave main TV control off.

The Siesta has an always-on electric clock, wired between the outside cord and the set. Based on playing with my own set, the Siesta clock controls works like this:

To use TV normally....set clock to "ON" and turn TV on using main TV controls.

To allow TV to shut itself off....set clock to "OFF" while watching TV, then dial up to 120 mins on dial.

To allow TV to turn itself on....set clock to "AUTO", set to desired channel, set time with alarm hand on clock, and be sure to turn TV on with main control.

To awake to alarm only.....set to "ALARM", set time with alarm hand on clock, and leave main TV control off.


Thanks! It never occurred to me that you could turn the set on with the alarm. Do you know what the 'alarm only' mode sounds like when it goes off ?

Very nice! I had a chance to get that exact predicta last summer at an estate sale but they wanted $300 for it. I ended up leaving with an ultra-rare International Harvester lawnmower,it's built by Lawn-Boy but is yellow and white with the IH name. It's almost done being rebuilt out in the garage.

I've seen a crazy range of prices for these sets. Something like $25 - $2,500. I'm sure you'll find another at a decent price.

P.S. My dad swears by Lawn-Boy :D

You really lucked out. Nice score!

how does the pcb look around the 6bq5, the damper and the horz out? if low time I bet the pcb still looks nice and brown, not baked looking.

Also how does the fly look? again betting it looks pretty darn nice.

Here's the best I could do without pulling the chassis. I did a little cleaning with a soft brush and compressed air. It looks nice except for that hairline crack in a 390 ohm power resistor near the HOT. It doesn't smell so nice though. The previous owner smoked had several dogs and burned a lot of incense. It's really noticeable after the sets been running for a few minutes and heats up. I hope a good cleaning will get rid of the funk.

http://www.bobandersen.com/images/siesta/siestaflyback.jpg

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You really lucked out. Nice score!

Thanks! A little bittersweet though. The reason the previous owner unloaded them to me was because he's moving to Texas to take care of his sick brother. We had a good laugh about how his thick Chicago accent would go over in west TX. That cheered him up a little :)

looks low time, yea that resistor takes a beating, mine was cooked. I replaced it with a sand resistor, and moved it to avoid heating up that network. Its amazing so many of those back beauties and other caps have not failed, maybe all the tar has kept then sealed well. One thing about cig smoke is it preserves metal well.

Thanks! It never occurred to me that you could turn the set on with the alarm. Do you know what the 'alarm only' mode sounds like when it goes off ?

Its just a generic "buzzzzzz" sound.....pretty annoying actually!

How are the front clock adjustment rods? They are forked at the end to grab the knobs, and seem to always be broken off. Are the knobs ok? Do the seem original? Post pics please! thx

The knobs appear to be the originals. The one on the right seems to engage properly but not the one on the left.

I really hope it's repairable because I recently sold a Siesta clock assembly. I'd had it for a long time and didn't think I'd ever have a use for it!

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Famous last words, but those look like pretty generic clock radio type knobs. Back in Ye Olde Dayes, when there were actual thrift stores, I would have recommended hitting the thrifts and looking for a $1 clock radio with the right knobs.

Phil

that has got to be the nicest looking predicta flyback I have ever seen.

that has got to be the nicest looking predicta flyback I have ever seen.

Here's one from a junker chassis. I bet this is more typical.
http://www.bobandersen.com/images/siesta/junker03.jpg

more like it but that one is not too bad either, not like some on my magnavoxes.....

The knobs appear to be the originals. The one on the right seems to engage properly but not the one on the left.

I really hope it's repairable because I recently sold a Siesta clock assembly. I'd had it for a long time and didn't think I'd ever have a use for it!



I'm not 100% sure as mine didnt have any but I think they aren't the original knobs. Based on old ads of the Siesta and checking out ones for sell on Ebay the original knobs had long wings which would sweep the window markings accordingly. I found very suitable replacements from a radio repo site which grab the shaft well and work fine though!

Does your clock run? Do the shafts still have a forked tip? Remove the knobs and take a pic!

Yes, the clock runs. Nope, no forked tips, but I know what you mean. That clock I sold off had one forked and one broken tip.
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It looks like these have been clipped or maybe the forks are filled with goo ?
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The knobs appear to have been glued on :tears:
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The tips have broken off....this is very common with these sets, the split tips just didnt take the abuse from users it seems. :(

Oh well. Could anyone post pics or links to examples of the correct knobs ?

Here's a pic of the correct knobs, sent to me from another Siesta owner...