I was out and about on a beautiful day today and stopped by an Antique shop.

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Do they have any TVs? Yep!
The current owners father had hidden them away in the basement and wouldn't sell them. Now the son has taken over and is eager to get rid of them and 100s of radios. So down we go...

Loads of restoration supplies!

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And loads of TVs !!

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And loads of Radios !!

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Here's the whole gallery of pictures (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70039806@N00/sets/72157621840861871/detail/) that I took. I couldn't identify some of the sets - maybe you guys can?

So what did I drag home ?

A Philco 50T-1402

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A Philco 49-1040

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A Crosley 9-407M

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They're still out in the garage until I can get some help moving them. I'll be going back to search for more goodies, but this stuff ain't cheap. Antique shops in Chicago tend to be pricey.

Bob

OMG... that's the Muther of all jackpots!

I believe you have struck gold... thanks for the pics.

HominaHominaHomina....As his eyes pop out, 'n' chin quivers...

What a find!!! Thanks for the photo tour! Looks like exclusively B&W TVs down there...is that big Dumont a 30"? Sure looked like it. Spotted a couple nice ham rigs, too...what looks like a Hammarlund HQ-129 in photo 63, a National NC-57 in #69...and the jobbie with the electric motor looks like some type of Leslie speaker. Damn cool.

Wow, great photos and story.

The ones you picked up are beautiful.

Congrats. Snade

So, why did you leave that RCA CTC-5 roundie??? That should have been the first one to carry out of there! You ARE going back for it.... right???

I know that store, it is only about a block away from where I live. I was there a few years ago and saw all the radios and TVs in the basement. When I asked about them I was told that the owner was donating them all to a radio museum. I will have to go take a look. I remember looking through the glass in the rooms where this stuff was, and seeing a lot of thing I would like to buy.

Yeah, I got dibs on it - going back tomorrow to take a closer look. This place is only 3 miles from my digs.

I didn't really look closely at any of those roundie console sets because I've focused my collection on pre-1951 so don't even have any color sets. I live in a rather cramped 3-flat built in the 1870s on the top floor too. I'm going to have to start selling lesser sets or rent a storage room.

Also, I never claimed this stuff was cheap - I only have so much $$

Finally, I looked through my photos and I think this may be the backside of that one. It's B&W and busted :tears:

So, why did you leave that RCA CTC-5 roundie??? That should have been the first one to carry out of there! You ARE going back for it.... right???

What a find!!! Thanks for the photo tour! Looks like exclusively B&W TVs down there...is that big Dumont a 30"? Sure looked like it. Spotted a couple nice ham rigs, too...what looks like a Hammarlund HQ-129 in photo 63, a National NC-57 in #69...and the jobbie with the electric motor looks like some type of Leslie speaker. Damn cool.

That Dumont and porthole where hidden in a very dark corner under tarps. I almost missed them. My heart darn near stopped when I uncovered it thinking it was a Royal Soveriegn, but alas a tape measure confirmed it's smaller than 30" - more like 24". I'm going back tomorrow and will take better pictures.

That electric motor really threw me at first until I realized it was an electric organ. The spinning speakers give it that unique 'organ-ey' sound.

The radio price tags I looked at were $100+, but I think those are very negotable. I didn't find any Philco 'Butterflies' or Sparton 'Bluebirds' or 'Nocturnes' - oh well.

That back shot is a blk and wht set. A color set would have a lot more stuff in there.

That back shot is a blk and wht set. A color set would have a lot more stuff in there.

Oh, sure. Another forum member mentioned that there might have been a B&W model in this cabinet ?

Can't tell for sure, but due to the design of that channel number drum, I'd guess that is an RCA... kinda looks like the same drum used in CTC15's... but it's definately a black and white.

Those are all posted on Craigslist, sounds like they're desperate to get rid of them:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/clt/1299159772.html

That's some find. Where's the ctc-5, I didn't see any round color sets in those pics? The big DuMont looks like it has a busted crt. That picture of the tv from behind looks to me like an RCA b/w late 50s or very early 60s.

Those are all posted on Craigslist, sounds like they're desperate to get rid of them:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/clt/1299159772.html

Sure, I saw that too :)
I was hoping desperate as well, but more like $150-$2,000 a set.

Oh my... looks like I was mistaken. Sorry if I got anyone's blood pumping... Once I started comparing fronts and backs more closely, I realized that was the same set. Didn't realize they made a Blk and white version of that set. My apologies!

I believe this is the Dumont model in my picture.

Fun to see a haul like that. As for radios, I didn't see anything especially desirable (many are hard to spot, of course). One decent Zenith console, maybe a few others. They're whistlin' Dixie if they think that all of the smaller radios are worth $100 and up. The marketplace should educate them on that part.

That little Tele-Tone TV is cute, but kinda rough. I still regret passing on one for about $40 at an ETF auction a few three years ago. Of course, the crating & shipping cost back to where I live would have been three times that amount. A bargain's not such a bargain if you live far enough away.

Phil Nelson

Fun to see a haul like that. As for radios, I didn't see anything especially desirable (many are hard to spot, of course). One decent Zenith console, maybe a few others. They're whistlin' Dixie if they think that all of the smaller radios are worth $100 and up. The marketplace should educate them on that part.

That little Tele-Tone TV is cute, but kinda rough. I still regret passing on one for about $40 at an ETF auction a few three years ago. Of course, the crating & shipping cost back to where I live would have been three times that amount. A bargain's not such a bargain if you live far enough away.

Phil Nelson

Exactly, I didn't see any radios that really interested me either. I almost got the Tele-Tone, but went with the ugly little Philco instead. It's just so dopey looking :) I think it'll be fun to restore.

Looks like they took some short cuts on the tuner. 1-2, 3, 4, 5, 6-7, 8-9, 10-11, 12-13 I think.

Great find! Those old TV and radios look so cool!

I see all these old TVs and radios around Chicago and elsewhere, but hardly anything here in northeastern Ohio near Cleveland. Why is that? Every one of the antique and vintage radios I own are eBay scores from cities and towns hundreds of miles away from Cleveland, and it makes me wonder. Is the Great Lakes region of the US just a poor place to live if you're an antique radio or TV collector, or just what on earth is the problem, if there is one? I would think this area would have just as many antique radios and TVs as any place else in the region. Why it doesn't, I may never know. In the last nine years, I have only seen two (!) older TVs on the curbs in my town; my latest trash find is a recent vintage Sony bookshelf stereo, but no old televisions. The two sets I have seen so far were a 1978 RCA color console about five years ago, and a 12" RCA portable TV the first or second year after I moved here. I can only conclude that folks around here must hold on to their TVs a lot longer than most. I have yet to see a defective flat-panel HD set here, but then again I don't think many people here have FPs yet.

It is probably just the sheer number of people in a city like Chicago, plus the fact that it had a lot of TV stations relatively early. Radios, though, I would expect to see any place.

I like that Crosley 9-407. My first antique TV was one of those, but I sold it within a year or two, long before I knew anything about restoring them. I bought it around Lawrence and California, from an ad in the Tradin' Times, when I still lived in Chicago about 1979. banderson, you should remember that.

I see all these old TVs and radios around Chicago and elsewhere, but hardly anything here in northeastern Ohio near Cleveland. Why is that? Every one of the antique and vintage radios I own are eBay scores from cities and towns hundreds of miles away from Cleveland, and it makes me wonder. Is the Great Lakes region of the US just a poor place to live if you're an antique radio or TV collector, or just what on earth is the problem, if there is one? I would think this area would have just as many antique radios and TVs as any place else in the region. Why it doesn't, I may never know. In the last nine years, I have only seen two (!) older TVs on the curbs in my town; my latest trash find is a recent vintage Sony bookshelf stereo, but no old televisions. The two sets I have seen so far were a 1978 RCA color console about five years ago, and a 12" RCA portable TV the first or second year after I moved here. I can only conclude that folks around here must hold on to their TVs a lot longer than most. I have yet to see a defective flat-panel HD set here, but then again I don't think many people here have FPs yet.

Odd. I always thought Ohio was a good place to find stuff because of the massive Dayton hamfest.

I haven't seen an old set on the curb in many years. Most of my sets were scored from individuals posting on craigslist. When I've asked where they got the set, the usual response is that it was their parents and they've just hung on to it for years.

Also, virtually every vintage TV related item I have - sets, antennas, service guides, etc was manufactured in Chicago. A lot of the companies (Admiral, Motorola, Sentinel, etc) were also based here. Chicago was really booming in the 40s and 50s.

Something else to consider. Most dwellings in Chicago are old - like 1920s and earlier. More than one vintage radio and TV I found had been in the same place since it was first purchased. Maybe the communities around you just aren't that old ? I bet a lot of sets got tossed when folks moved.

Anyway, I hope your luck starts to change.

...I like that Crosley 9-407. My first antique TV was one of those, but I sold it within a year or two, long before I knew anything about restoring them. I bought it around Lawrence and California, from an ad in the Tradin' Times, when I still lived in Chicago about 1979. banderson, you should remember that.

Remember what ? Not to sell it prematurely or the Tradin' Times?

Looks like they took some short cuts on the tuner. 1-2, 3, 4, 5, 6-7, 8-9, 10-11, 12-13 I think.
This is like the Motorola VT-71 and others of the time. The FCC allowed only a certain number of stations per city (eight?) and I think there was some rule about adjacency, too. The dealer would set up the TV to receive the local stations. If you moved to a different city, you took the TV to a shop and they reset the channels as needed for those stations.

I think my Motorola tuned 2-3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8-9, 10-11, 12-13.

Phil

I'll have to check this out, thanks for posting! I've been keeping an eye out for a '50s or '60s TV for my mid century pad. This is very close to where my girlfriend lives...I won't take anything somebody has dibs on! I know jack squat about vintage TVs...

actually, I just realized by looking at the pictures that its a BLOCK from my girlfriends apartment, how did I miss this place?

I've been keeping an eye out for a '50s or '60s TV for my mid century pad.

Be careful, John. This is a very slippery slope. :D

Snade

Be careful, John. This is a very slippery slope. :D

Snade

I can imagine...I've seen some cool TVs on CL here. Hopefully this will fall under my interior design hobby and not vintage electronics..because I've been able to resist that more than gear. Since moving to a projector for TV, I've wanted exactly "ONE" vintage Tv for just watching the news or to just have on. Fat chance of that being just 'one', right?

Odd. I always thought Ohio was a good place to find stuff because of the massive Dayton hamfest.

I haven't seen an old set on the curb in many years. Most of my sets were scored from individuals posting on craigslist. When I've asked where they got the set, the usual response is that it was their parents and they've just hung on to it for years.

Also, virtually every vintage TV related item I have - sets, antennas, service guides, etc was manufactured in Chicago. A lot of the companies (Admiral, Motorola, Sentinel, etc) were also based here. Chicago was really booming in the 40s and 50s.

Something else to consider. Most dwellings in Chicago are old - like 1920s and earlier. More than one vintage radio and TV I found had been in the same place since it was first purchased. Maybe the communities around you just aren't that old ? I bet a lot of sets got tossed when folks moved.

Anyway, I hope your luck starts to change.


At least one eastern suburb of Cleveland (Cleveland Heights) has homes that were built in the 1920s. The apartment building in which I live (I am in a village 35 miles east of Cleveland, in Lake County, Ohio) was built in the 1930s. However, the homes in the Cleveland suburb in which I grew up (Wickliffe, Ohio, 16 miles east of the city) were built in the '50s. From this I would conclude that people living in those older homes in Cleveland Heights (if any of the original residents are still there) would probably have more antique and vintage TVs, radios and so forth; the same goes for my old neighborhood in Wickliffe, although since the homes in the latter suburb were built 50-59 years ago (and the original residents of those houses are either long since dead or have moved), I wouldn't expect to find very many old TVs or radios there anymore.

Many if not most people outside our hobby do not appreciate the value of antique and/or vintage electronics and just want it out of their homes as soon as possible, which is why so much vintage equipment shows up at auction on eBay, Craigslist, et al. or else the stuff gets trashed; however, I don't see very many TVs, radios, etc. on treelawns here anymore. When I was growing up in the late '60s through the seventies, I could find any number of 1950s vintage TVs and the occasional vintage radio in my neighbors' trash, but not today. These days, with the push for recycling old electronics, I think more people, worried about possible contamination of the environment by mercury, lead, etc. found in older electronics (and most newer equipment such as DVD players), are having their old televisions, VCRs, DVD players, et al. recycled rather than putting them out by the side of the road or the curb.

I have lived in this small Lake County village nine years; in that time I have only seen two vintage televisions on the curbs. One was a 12" RCA portable, probably late-'70s vintage or thereabouts; the other was a 1978 RCA 25" color console, with the RCA Nipper logo on the front panel near the tuners. I also saw a couple of older stereo consoles almost directly across the street from me about three years ago or so. However, these were the only vintage electronics items I've seen on the curbs here so far. As I said above, I think the residents of my town are really getting the message as to the environmental impact of just indiscriminately throwing newer electronics in the trash; in fact, I'm fairly sure there is a law against simply tossing a cast-off, defective DVD player (for example) into a trash barrel, although I did just that, and somehow got away with it (!) almost a year ago when my first DVD player quit. I do know for certain there are laws against putting burned-out CFLs (compact fluorescent lamp bulbs) in municipal waste streams, but I don't think it's enforced (strictly or otherwise) everywhere, especially in small towns such as this one. Whether this law would or does apply to cast-off TVs and other equipment, however, I don't know. All I am certain of at this point is that there are very few older TVs and other vintage electronic items to be found around here on trash day.

With new environmental protection laws being enacted all the time, however, especially in this age of so much being done in the name of saving the Earth, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there aren't nearly as many old TVs and radios to be found in this area anymore. As I said, people are taking the "reduce, reuse, recycle" message (what I call the "three Rs" of the environmental protection age) quite seriously these days, which will likely mean that antique and vintage TV and radio collectors may find it somewhat more difficult from now on to find such items in trash heaps.

I honestly believe that the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) is unwittingly killing, by degrees, the art of antique electronics collecting, in a very, very major way. I can't help wondering if antique radio/TV collecting as a hobby might eventually be brought to a halt by the EPA's rules. As bullish as the agency seems to be on recycling and so on, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if such a thing eventually happens. When and if it does happen, the only places antique electronics collectors will be able to find what they are after will be at estate, garage, yard sales or hamfests (as I mention below). I think we're close to that point now, and getting closer every day. :no:

BTW, the Dayton Hamfest is probably still a good place to find older electronic gear, but it is well out of the range of folks such as myself who live at the other corner of the state of Ohio, going catty-corner (diagonally) across the state from Dayton. There are local hamfests in other parts of the state, however, where older gear may yet be found, but even these hamfests may have less and less in the way of vintage and/or antique electronics as time goes on.

I hate to say it, but I can see a day coming when it will be downright impossible to find any kind of electronic equipment older than five or ten years old at any hamfest. We are living in a throwaway society where discarding electronics, appliances, etc. when they fail (after the warranty expires, of course) is the norm. To be sure, there will always be collectors looking for older items such as furniture, artwork, etc. but as far as old ('40s-'60s vintage) TVs, radios and electronics are concerned, I honestly believe we are reaching the end of the line. :no:

Great find! :thmbsp: That must have been pretty exciting, to go down those stairs and discover all those sets there. A bit like finding Aladdin's cave! Too bad the prices aren't better, but it is nice that you picked some very good ones to bring home. Congratulations on those! :thbmsp:

There was a time period here in Hong Kong --it peaked in the late 1980s, I think-- when old stuff like that could be found readily, as older buildings were being torn down willy-nilly, to make room for more skyscrapers. A lot of old TVs were scrapped, as people didn't have room for "those old things" in the newer housing, and many radios were rescued and ended up in the hands of collectors, via scavengers who sold them in the flea markets and to antique shops. Those days are gone now, and have been for few years, as there are virtually no more of the old buildings left. You might still find something here or there if you were very lucky, but there cannot be many left, even across the whole city. The pace and scale of redevelopment would have been unthinkable in most places, and even incomprehensible to most people in Europe or the States, as new techniques were pioneered here to erect skyscrapers faster than they ever had been before, but it was a fun time to be a collector in Hong Kong. Unfortunately, I wasn't into old TVs and audio back then... sure wish I had been, with hindsight! Oh, well...

Looking forward to seeing what else gets pulled from that basement cache by AKers!

Great find! :thmbsp: That must have been pretty exciting, to go down those stairs and discover all those sets there. A bit like finding Aladdin's cave! Too bad the prices aren't better, but it is nice that you picked some very good ones to bring home. Congratulations on those! :thbmsp:

There was a time period here in Hong Kong --it peaked in the late 1980s, I think-- when old stuff like that could be found readily, as older buildings were being torn down willy-nilly, to make room for more skyscrapers. A lot of old TVs were scrapped, as people didn't have room for "those old things" in the newer housing, and many radios were rescued and ended up in the hands of collectors, via scavengers who sold them in the flea markets and to antique shops. Those days are gone now, and have been for few years, as there are virtually no more of the old buildings left. You might still find something here or there if you were very lucky, but there cannot be many left, even across the whole city. The pace and scale of redevelopment would have been unthinkable in most places, and even incomprehensible to most people in Europe or the States, as new techniques were pioneered here to erect skyscrapers faster than they ever had been before, but it was a fun time to be a collector in Hong Kong. Unfortunately, I wasn't into old TVs and audio back then... sure wish I had been, with hindsight! Oh, well...

Looking forward to seeing what else gets pulled from that basement cache by AKers!

Thanks. Yes, it was so much fun I went back today for a couple hours :)

Alas, that is not a 1956 RCA CTC 5 Wingate color set - it's B&W. I did find a nice Motorola though. I dig the giant orange knobs

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Here are more pictures (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70039806@N00/sets/72157621840861871/detail/?page=4) - especially of the radios. Nothing spectacular. It's an odd collection. A bunch from the 20s & 40s but very few from the 30s and virtually no Philcos. Also very few Bakelite or Catalin.

This was my favorite of the radios. "The Imperial - Simplex Tire & Rubber Co"

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I expect those prices will start to drop as they don't sell.

I only came back with a dozen cans of Mohawk toner lacquer this trip. Time to get restoring !

That TV may not be an RCA Wingate color set, but I still like the looks of the cabinet; it is one of the few TVs I've seen with doors over the front. The last set I saw in a cabinet with doors was a 1950s-vintage RCA KCS-47, IIRC, which our church had in a back storage room. My dad was in our church choir, and I used to go to rehearsals with him; I'd sit in the back and watch that TV while rehearsals were going on. That set worked amazingly well for being (at the time) some twenty years old. Thinking about it now, I wonder whatever became of it. It's probably long gone by now, as the church has gone through some major renovations over the years, and I really haven't been back there since I moved nine years ago.

Too bad if the set has been trashed, as it was a b&w roundie with a 16GP4 (IIRC) CRT. The only other such TV I've ever seen in my life was a 1951 Majestic, also in a very nice wood cabinet with doors, with three pulls on each door. I inherited the chassis of that set when my aunt moved in the late 1960s, but she got rid of the cabinet in the trash before she left town. :no:

The TV chassis, however, worked very well for its age (twenty years or so), bringing in all three (at the time) Cleveland network television stations beautifully in my area (then a Cleveland suburb some 33 miles from the area's TV transmitters) using only the attic antenna in my house. I kept it in the basement, atop an old (1955, IIRC) Crosley "Super V" 21" console which had been my folks' second TV. The Majestic also had a phono input with the usual switch on the front of the set; I remember having to be very careful when moving that switch so as not to contact the sides of the exposed CRT (I think I did get shocked, once, by that tube, when I forgot myself and my hand innocently [!] strayed to the edge of the CRT. :eek: Believe me, I learned a lesson that day I have never forgotten!)

Those b&w roundies, including my Majestic chassis and the KCS-47 I mentioned, had a picture that looked, with the chassis outside of the cabinet, for all the world like today's 16:9 HDTV pictures on a 4:3 analog set. I believe those b&w sets were designed on purpose to produce a picture that only filled the screen partially; the cabinet had a mask that made the resulting picture look normal.

That TV may not be an RCA Wingate color set, but I still like the looks of the cabinet; it is one of the few TVs I've seen with doors over the front...

Yes indeed, it's a nice cabinet :yes: I think that CRT made be good too. At least it didn't look gassy - just needs a new base.

They have 3 or 4 other sets with doors - another RCA, Stromberg-Carlson, Capehart and that Motorola above. It's a very nice and distinctive feature to have for sure.

This is like the Motorola VT-71 and others of the time. The FCC allowed only a certain number of stations per city (eight?) and I think there was some rule about adjacency, too. The dealer would set up the TV to receive the local stations. If you moved to a different city, you took the TV to a shop and they reset the channels as needed for those stations.

I think my Motorola tuned 2-3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8-9, 10-11, 12-13.

Phil

Thanks for the info. I have a couple of those Motorolas and wondered about that tuner. I guess they did it to cut down the cost.

This Philco though is really solidly built though - the chassis is massive. I think it's odd that they would bother.

Maybe the fine-tuning on this set has a wide enough range to cover both adjacent stations ?

Bob

That's some find. Where's the ctc-5, I didn't see any round color sets in those pics? The big DuMont looks like it has a busted crt. That picture of the tv from behind looks to me like an RCA b/w late 50s or very early 60s.

This guy. The cabinet and controls look identical, but it's B&W.

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I'll have to check this out, thanks for posting! I've been keeping an eye out for a '50s or '60s TV for my mid century pad. This is very close to where my girlfriend lives...I won't take anything somebody has dibs on! I know jack squat about vintage TVs...

No more dibs for me - I got what I wanted.

You could grab this Admiral set in Wicker Park for $98

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/atq/1304677454.html

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If you'd like a 2nd opionion on a local set, let me know. I've got a 50s-60s kind of pad too :)

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That isn't a Wingate, but damn, it should be! That set rocks!

As far as the Mototola goes, it kicks a$$ as well! That's something you d0on't see every day!

I hope all those sets find a way to your living roon!!! Good luck!

I went by there today to take a look. There was some small German radios I would like to have if the prices were lower.
The Hammarlund seemed reasonable at $85, but I didn't look at it too closely.

The most interesting TV there to me (since I don't have any early remote sets) is the metal cabinet Motorola remote B&W set you can see in this picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/70039806@N00/3795618175/in/set-72157621840861871/

They want $100 for it, otherwise I would be bringing it home trying to stuff into my basement.

There is also a good amount of vintage bakelite panel type test equipment, resistor boxes, meters, etc. I noticed some of it was marked "IIT Physics Lab", its nice to know that some of the old equipment from my school didn't get thrown out (I've seen it happen to some things).

Somebody may be interested in the Motorola rectangular color set, but I would assume the price is pretty high.

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It is interesting to see the odd assortment of radios there, maybe there were more at one point.

Thanks for the awesome pictures posted on flickr. Hope more collectors can get out and save a few sets.

Remember what ? Not to sell it prematurely or the Tradin' Times?
I meant Tradin' Times. I bought and sold a lot of stuff from that paper in the late 70's and early 80's (until I moved to California). It was the Craig's List of its day, except not free.

I meant Tradin' Times. I bought and sold a lot of stuff from that paper in the late 70's and early 80's (until I moved to California). It was the Craig's List of its day, except not free.

Sure, I remember it. My friends and I would flip through them looking at cool stuff we couldn't afford :)