I thought of other uses for this technology,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0TpLBObBj4

works on cars and old refrigerators too.

This is no solution, this is a big environmental nightmare, and an insult to all
of us trying what we can to preserve historically significant technology.
This shredder should be shredded!

I could only watch a few seconds.... seeing my favorite personal computer being destroyed.. :sigh:
It hurts :tears:

Wow, that was impressive, but I have to agree with electroking-- that's an environmental nightmare and a huge slap in the face.

I don't think it is an environmental nightmare. I think it is part of an environmental solution, if used properly. Some of that gear should be mechanically separated first, but once certain parts have been removed for separate processing, a lot of gear can be turned into more manageable material for recycling, and some things can be separated out in later stages using various magnets and filters, temperature, etc... in a flow process, which might be efficient and effective if set up right. For example, empty plastic cases can be shredded into a more workable size of particle before being further processed for re-use in some other format. Tires can be shredded with that machine for recombination and re-use as playground cushions or road surfaces, etc... The shredder has its use as part of an environmentally-friendly solution to the problem of excessive waste.

But NOT used as they are showing there. :nono:
That was interesting to watch, in the way an automobile accident can be interesting to watch... but equally unsettling, as well.

I also shudder to think about the fine, restorable vintage audio gear and televisions and other types of historical technology that might be destroyed by that thing, and the rate at which it can eat up such things is frightening to contemplate.

Judgement and wisdom should be applied to the CORRECT and suitable use of such "technology". Just as a knife that can be used to carve a work of art can also be mis-used to kill a child, this tool by itself is intrinsically neither good nor bad. It becomes good or bad, according to how it is used by the people controlling it.

What he said.

Yep.. what Arkay said.. Did anyone see this video of the machine being made, and what it is capable of? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aja7gcgRMJU&NR=1

WOW... Imagine eating up all those tires and reclaiming the rubber, or using them to generate electricity.. and not just sitting in land fills...

Seems a lot of people here complain about people throwing out old gear. It is a part of life, and the life cycle of material posessions. Man.. so many people flipping over that concept..

Some stuff breaks and is not fixable.. this is a much better solution than just heaping it on the pile...

Yes, as Arkay says, this kind of crusher can be useful, but feed the plastic, glass,
aluminum separately please!

They have seperators that sort all of that out after it's crushed.. Not sure if you have ever seen a big recycling plant or system, but they have some pretty creative ways to sort everything... Then each type of waste will be shipped of to the correct reclaiming plant.

Yes, and the separators can read the plastic-type codes on the fine particles
of plastic? Don't believe any unreasonable claim just because it is being made
by someone claiming to be using advanced technology! There was a video on
youtube of a German plant recycling computer monitors in the correct way:
they were cutting the CRTs open with a laser to recover the metal from the
shadow masks. That's the way to go, I suppose.

I can agree. The metals in the glass weren't being handled properly. However, as far as the plastic goes.. some floats, some sinks.. they drop it in water, and seperate it that way.. they can also use other ways to sepeate it even further by type... I'm sure the video we saw was more to show what hte machine can do, and not how they would usually handle that type of scrap..

Heh... There are a few people who might have wanted those old MAC's, had they only known where to find them.

I know where there are a couple of those old Mac's.. I was looking at them a couple weeks ago.. had never seen one in person before.. interesting to say the least..

I think that was an early 80's Zenith System three that he threw in at the end. That sucked. I didn't mind watching the Apple II's get smashed, those are useless crap and were when new. We used them in school when I was growing up. This shredder isn't too bad unless someone throws a tube set in there, then I would like to toss in the "thrower"

Ten people wanting something that is obsolete can't make the whole world change the way they get rid of stuff. Eventually the stuff finds it's way to the dump. Either before or after the collectors are done with it. Eventually all the Sing along with Mitch albums that people who "wanted" have to go somewhere.

To some people old Macs are just that "old". Like my wife tells me, "You can't keep everything." Despite my best efforts to the contrary.

Hello again,

Here is the link I mentioned earlier. A more intelligent way to do it, and it provides
work for a number of people. Text in German, but easily understood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8VfcmKDLiw

Very interesting..

This one has a lot of people upset.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQs5hchKCAM

Ahhhhhhh! Noooooooooo!! Not asteroids!!!!!!!! Say it aint so!!!!!!! I could hear the CRT implode.:thumbsdn:

Slightly off topic but related, anyone ever think of making their own arcade cabinet using one of those NAMCO game joysticks they sell in walmart? I'm thinking of making one.

Man, that thing is one bad apple scrapple!

I can see where this could be very useful. There are so many things that just aren't worth the time to properly seperate for recycling. How long would it take to totally disassemble a tv, a vcr, a car...this machine can be part of an automated process that works quite well.

It is sad, but we can't save them all. We always hate to see yet another old tv set thrown in the dumpster or turned into a cat box, or whatever. Well, what are you gonna do about it? Are YOU going to drive 6 hours one way to rescue a '56 RCA bw console with loose veneer and a tired crt? Are YOU going to pay shipping to bring a Curtis Mathes cross country? I don't want Chromacolor II's to meet the shredder-but I don't have the room for a dozen of them.

Man, that thing is one bad apple scrapple!

I can see where this could be very useful. There are so many things that just aren't worth the time to properly seperate for recycling. How long would it take to totally disassemble a tv, a vcr, a car...this machine can be part of an automated process that works quite well.

It is sad, but we can't save them all. We always hate to see yet another old tv set thrown in the dumpster or turned into a cat box, or whatever. Well, what are you gonna do about it? Are YOU going to drive 6 hours one way to rescue a '56 RCA bw console with loose veneer and a tired crt? Are YOU going to pay shipping to bring a Curtis Mathes cross country? I don't want Chromacolor II's to meet the shredder-but I don't have the room for a dozen of them.

That is a good point. I see stuff all the time that I'd grab in a heartbeat IF I were closer. But, it's just not practical to make a long trip to save something that is in bad shape or not worth much in any condition. It would be memorable if I ever told my Mother "we must drive to St. Louis to save a '69 Zenith and a '76 Porta-Color or they will be destroyed". Heck, it would be hard to convince her to drive that far to save a CT-100!

I know there are many idiots in this world that would destroy something of interest because they know it will irritate us; but, I've met many people that have said "I wish I'd a known you wanted 'xxx' before I threw it out". I've even been guilty of tossing stuff because I couldn't find anyone to take it and I was tired of tripping over it.

All we can do is beat the bushes in our own corners of the world in order to save what we can!

I don't think it is an environmental nightmare. I think it is part of an environmental solution, if used properly. Some of that gear should be mechanically separated first, but once certain parts have been removed for separate processing, a lot of gear can be turned into more manageable material for recycling, and some things can be separated out in later stages using various magnets and filters, temperature, etc... in a flow process, which might be efficient and effective if set up right.

I agree. They should strip down the materials and separate them. But I'm wondering what kind of toxic dust is released into the atmosphere when they do shred things like picture tubes and circuit boards?

I agree. They should strip down the materials and separate them. But I'm wondering what kind of toxic dust is released into the atmosphere when they do shred things like picture tubes and circuit boards?
They do seperate the materials after shredding.
They use a magnetic conveyer belt to pull metal out of the mix, it travels right to a collection box. the plastic goes to another box, the aluminum goes to another.
Depending on who buys a shredder and it's use, some have a fume collection hood over them to collect the dust.
Look at the vid with the whole parking lot filled up with stacks of old refrigerators.
Where is the fridge collectors forum ?

Hello again,

Here is the link I mentioned earlier. A more intelligent way to do it, and it provides
work for a number of people. Text in German, but easily understood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8VfcmKDLiw
That method is not the most effecient.
Shredding can be done 24 hours a day, and handle very large volume of items in a short period of time. The shredders can be mounted on a truck, moved to different locations, so energy is not wasted moving junk around three times. Don't need to build a whole factory for one task, then what do you do with it after all the tubes have been dismantled in the world ? Shred the factory.

That is one dangerous system. Has anyone ever seen what can happen to a crt that implodes. Can be worse than a shotgun.

I dare not show it to Jr. as he will freak if he saw those Macs being destroyed. He has 1 newer unit in his computer room offline but will not give it up and a couple of the same model as in the vid downstairs and refuses to give them up. I think he salvaged him from a pile on a recycling day when we went to the local dump. We dropped of a couple of thinks but I think after he got done we took more home than leaving.

That method is not the most effecient.
Shredding can be done 24 hours a day, and handle very large volume of items in a short period of time. The shredders can be mounted on a truck, moved to different locations, so energy is not wasted moving junk around three times. Don't need to build a whole factory for one task, then what do you do with it after all the tubes have been dismantled in the world ? Shred the factory.

I beg to disagree, of course. The container with used deflection yokes
has maybe 80% pure copper in it. If you feed that to a copper smelter,
you will get very good copper with minimal energy expense and pollution,
whereas if you were to attempt to extract copper from the homogeneous
mixture of junk, all kinds of noxious fumes would have to be processed.

Furthermore, a lot of transportation does take place with all the new
goods and raw materials being carried around, so having some junk
carried on return trips is no big deal. And a dismantling factory like
this will be able to feed itself indefinitely on used small and big appliances,
car radios, etc. Of course if you have shares in the mining industry,
it is in your interest that as much good recyclable metal as possible
be wasted so you can justify continued operation of your industry,
but all in all recycling is a good idea, and efficient recycling a better idea.
Good night.

Electroking has a good point. New products use up a lot of resources. While it is a good idea to continue recycling metals and plastics, it is a shame that so much (maybe even the majority?) of the USA's recyclable waste gets carted away to China for a quick profit during a time when it could be used here. IMO, we desperately need to conserve natural resources as a planet, and cut down on new products. But the western world has set a pretty poor example for the future, unfortunately.

why couldnt they give all the stuff to me first instead of DESTROYING IT FOREVER

those two videos made me cry