A friend on this list brought my attention to this lonely van sadly needing a new home found in northern Minnesota. It came in today and is mostly intact with 4 CCU's for the RCA TK11/31 cameras. No cameras but there are still 3 storage compartments on the outside that haven't been opened yet. The locking handles are rusted shut. So far, I believe this is perhaps one of three known to exist that is mostly intact with all of the 1950's electronics still there. It is a 1952 Dodge Route Van that is also rare.

It was built as a remote van in 1953 and did both radio and TV remotes. As you can see in the pictures it has a Western Electric radio board and it and the TV console have RCA MI-12016 (2 each) aerodynamic microphones. All other mic connections are the earlier cannon connectors. The RCA CCU's total 4. Three studio types in the original console and a TK-31 field version probably added later or installed for space considerations. Two WE spacesaver telephones and a telephone magneto next to the second telephone! What a patchbay it has on board. KDAL is now KDLH for "Duluth".

It needs quite a bit of TLC and plan to get it running when weather warms up a bit perhaps next February. This is called a "pilothouse" Dodge van and any body parts are hard to find. I plan to refinish it with all original lettering and signage. It is mostly sheet metal and should be a straighforward restoration for most bodywork. Fortunately, it being in the middle of nowhere, was not subject to vandalism or kids throwing rocks through the glass. It stayed fairly watertight that preserved the interior and electronics. BTW, odometer shows less than 13,000 miles-could be but hard to tell. To the right of the large call letters it says "Special Events" in script but is so faded you can't see it in the pictures. Did they have many special events up there in the '50's?

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In restoring this van, it will not be that difficult a job as most of it is just sheet metal. As far as it being brought back to some working condition, the new digital changeover this February will not be a problem and will not affect this van. That only affects receiving a TV signal from the station transmitter. I have been looking for these RCA monitors for over 20 years and now have three. I already had the "field" TK-31 version and now have two and can now support my cameras. I think this "Fisher Price Toy" van is a neat unit and you just don't see them anymore and haven't for over 40 years now. Most all of these vans disappeared by the 1960's as the engineers commonly would take them home for next to free and gut them for campers.

I can't wait to see what it drives like!! These vans were rarely upgraded because of their "old" look. Every station wanted to be upbeat and modern looking and these vans were scrapped, donated to schools or given to a station employee if they even wanted them. Thrown away for no other reason than being just "old"! (like me!)

It has three rats nests in it but looks like no other damage other than that insulation looking stuff laying in the panels. The third nest is in the top glove box in the roof over the driver. How they got in there is beyond me. BTW, I found an old business card taped in there that was from the chief engineer that used the back of it for the make, model and VIN number of this truck. John Harrison was the engineer. This unit was a Dodge "Job Rated" truck built from 1948-59. Flathead 6 that is still intact.

Steve McVoy has a nice complete van at his museum with its' history and pictures of the sign change from when it was new. Chuck Pharris has one found in about the same shape but was gutted for a camper. I know of no others.

UPDATE: I talked with John Harrison, now retired who was the engineer for this truck for as long as KDAL had it. It was sent to KDAL as a sister station in 1961 who needed it. It was originally from Chicago Tribune owned WGN and they were already broadcasting color and did not need this van anymore. In the late '60's it was donated to a local college in Duluth and that was the last they ever saw of it. On the front of the van the paint is fading and peeling off to reveal its' original color of a darker yellow like the old trucks. You can see part of a sign starting with "mobile" something or other. I will be researching WGN's archives to see if I can find it and all of the original signage on it.

2nd UPDATE: Through a "paper trail" and original KDAL transfer papers/original registration (never registered again after KDAL) I found and talked with Robert Muhich who was working for a college in Hibbing and it turns out this van was not given to the local college. It was sent out to a convention center for a charity/benefit auction. It was purchased for about $5000 by Robert (his personal property and the actual third owner) and was going to use it for teaching broadcasting at Hibbing College. It was used one time for an event and not used again because it was a cumbersome van to set up but was working in 1976. It was his goal to update it with more modern electronics but never materialized. It was kept indoors during the winter but other times kept at a friends' farm who collected old trucks, tractors etc. The man who kept it for him had MS and about 13 years ago sold out his estate and moved into town. (now deceased) Robert let him keep the proceeds for keeping it so long and it then went into the hands of the gentleman who I bought it from. Apparently Robert kept the cameras (two of them-both TK-11's) and the cables in storage at the college. When he left there, he forgot about them and their whereabouts are unknown or trashed. He said he would nose around and perhaps try to find out what happened to them. They have "footprint" racks on top of the inside engine cover and would be strapped down for travel.

It was also reiterated that it was originally built and owned by WGN Chicago and that it was mostly used for the Cubs' games at Wrigley Field. It also did a broadcast with Dizzy Dean! An engineer with KDAL whose name was Rudy related all this info to Robert. KDAL was a sister station who needed it and WGN was more interested in broadcasting COLOR for the Chicago market.

You have to restore that!

DUDE that is cool beyond belief

Won't you run into TV technology no longer available or viable if you try to bring it back to operation?

But to just even get it to the point of a static display piece would be awesome. You might talk to one of the TV museums for help.

Wow. That is amazing.....all that stuff still in it. I look forward to the whole story on it. And the restoration. It looks like the mice got in there....or is that just old insulation that fell down? Mice are evil. Spray those handles with Kroil! This is more exciting than the Capone safe opening by Geraldo Rivera!

Looks like the bodywork's in good shape, for the most part. I don't know if I've EVER seen one of those vans "in poison", except in pictures. GMCs & Chevys, yeah, Fords, maybe, Internationals, think so, but not a Dodge. Should be a flathead 6 of about 250-280 cubic inches providing the motive power. Don't expect to outrun one of Masterlu's toys w/it...(grin) Glad the glass is intact, or looks like it is from these pics...

Woah, that is truly something else!

Very cool! Thanks for sharing!

Scott

Surprising it isn't rustier being from Minnesota. They must not have used as much salt back then. Good luck with the restoration. It looks like it will be one hell of a project.

This one is sooooo cool it's HOT!

you are waiting for a nice bit of work! Good luck!!!!!

That is an AMAZING find! I've heard of a couple of TV mobile units being found around Southern Cal, but always missing 80% of the equipment. I think you may have just found the oldest "virgin" and most complete specimen!

I hope we hear from one of the other mobile unit owners... I know at least one other enthusiast who has one, and is restoring it. I'd post a link, but it might invoke curmudgeonry from TV collector privacy advocates :(

Charles

What a cool find! Since KDAL signed on in '53, they must've gone whole hog and gotten the remote rig to put to use right away. I'm betting it spent most of its service life in a heated garage...I'm trying to recall if their old building in Duluth had one. Possibly stored at the transmitter site on Observatory Hill? EXTREMELY cool nonetheless!!

Wonderful find! What kind of generator does this unit have on board? Is it present?

That is fricken sweeeet!!!!!
Please do keep us up to speed on it's resto?

Wow Julian, all you need is a transmitter and you will have your own antique television station.

very cool but a flathead is not so easy to restore ,allot of tubes in there too:thmbsp:

Looks like KDAL used every inch of available space for the equipment. Not that they had any choice. You might want to take careful measurements of exactly where the graphics are on the van. Perhaps some tracings of the signage, for reference, before you strip it for body work and re-paint. Anxious to know if the cameras are still in the storage compartment.

-Steve D.

Very awesome find! I have never seen one so complete. Like Steve said, I can't wait to see what is hiding in those compartments! Keep us posted!

When you do restore this, can you get a transmitter and have your own antique TV station?

When you do restore this, can you get a transmitter and have your own antique TV station?

It may have had some sort of over the air studio link. On a microwave frequency?

Anyway, all you'd need is a modulator from rat shack, and set it to channel 3 :D

Nobody's going to be there come February anyways!

Looks like this amazing find found a worthy home. This is a big deal on many different levels: the fact it is a 52 Dodge van; its history; what came with it. The body/paint transformation will be amazing-this is my business and taking something that looks like this and bringing it back is a real night & day venture. The electronics-whoa, boy! Lotsa recapping! And lots of cleaning. All well worth it. It's a wonder this survived recent high scrap prices.

Wow

What a fantastically cool van! :jawdrop:

So far, I believe this is perhaps one of three known to exist that is mostly intact with all of the 1950's electronics still there. It is a 1952 Dodge Route Van that is also rare.

Rare? Shoot, we're still using those at work!

lol, just kidding. That is really, really neat! I'm glad it's fallen into good hands. Most of that gear found it's way into a trash bin in the 70s sometime.

What a cool project. Can't wait to see it when it's done!

Take care,

Ed

Very cool! If the engine is not froze up it will probably run. Those old flatheads were durable engines. Even if froze up, it may get loose again via a cocktail.
Dan

Would've been a big loss if it went for scrap value......

And yeah it just hit me; All that re-capping! Well worth it though to get it running well again. I'd camp out in there!!!!

If you guys wanna read a good, sappy love story, check out "Truck" by John Jerome. In it, Jerome buys a worn-out 1951 Dodge B2B pickup & restores it as a work truck for his farm. The book chronicles his experiences, & while it tends to be a bit heavy in the "granola/hippy" idiom, Jerome is a good enuff writer to get you to fall in love w/the old junky truck, too. His truck is a smaller, 1/2 ton pickup version of Julian's big van, which looks to be at least a ton chassis. IIRC, Dodge came out w/the "Pilot House/Job-Rated" series of trucks in 1948, & made few changes on them til 1955.

Wow that van is amazing! Like a blast from the past! It's awesome to see it's in good shape too! Yes, alot of recapping!

Likely the oldest intact TV Remote truck extant. A score for the ages. This truck was originally built for WGN-TV in Chicago and passed down to a sister station when WGN built color facilities. Julian and I had an interesting phone chat about this find.

Did you get those doors open yet?

That is way cool!

:lurk: This will be a fun project to watch for updates! Nice save! Good luck with the restoration! :thmbsp:

Wow, neat find. Your mileage maybe accurate, those are the original headlights. The small bullseye circle in the middle of the lens gives it away.

Did you ever get the doors open to see what's in the storage areas?

so what's up with the kool van ?

I'd also like to know. Thing is insanely neat. :yes:

Incredible find, and once restored, what you can do with it is mind-boggling! What did it run you?

That is a worthy project. Very cool! I have worked on a couple of vintage trailers from the 1940's and know how much work this stuff can take.

find any cameras in it ?

Julian: I was happy to hear the truck is still out there. How is the restoration coming? I worked as an engineer for KDAL in 1967-1968 and worked the truck with John Harrison. The Rudy you mentioned is Rudy Luukinen, He was assistant chief engineer when I was there. Bob Dettman was the chief.

We used the truck every Sunday to broadcast local Church services. We would set up a Church and do three Sundays before moving to the next one.

It also did special events on occasion. We did special editions of the Town and Country show with Dottie Becker from “Goldfine’s by the Bridge” department store. We also televised an American/Russian hockey game from the Duluth arena auditorium.

I drove the truck sometimes. It had a non synchronized transmission. I learned how to double clutch on that truck.

This is the only picture I have of the truck. It was scanned from a 3 X 5 photo. It will be nice to see some pictures when it is done.

I left KDAL in 68 and went on to start an Industrial electronics corporation. I am semi retired from it these days in Northern Illinois.

Al Holecek

Incredible. This has become one of my all-time favorite threads.

yes - a very kool thread

Too bad there are no pictures of the interior when the truck was
young.

Hello Everyone!

First I want to thank you Al, for the picture of this van! Do you know about when this picture was taken?

Here is the update of this Dodge. I haven't done much with it yet and a friend of mine who is a good bodyman said he would get into the sheet metal and help with its' restoration. I need to remove all of the equipment inside and clean-clean-clean!! The cameras and cables were not with it when I received it. I do know where they were last seen. Robert Muhich who purchased it from KDAL used it a few times for his broadcasting class at the local college where he taught. He kept the cameras (RCA TK-11's) in storage at the college along with the cables to keep them out of the weather because of infrequent use as it was a bear to "fire up" and use. When he left the college, he forgot about them and no one knows where they went from there.

I have since found two matching RCA TK-11's that I will use with this van. Sure would be nice to have the originals!

When I talked with John Harrison who picked this van up in Chicago from WGN in 1961, it had the original paint job on it which was a mustard yellow color. The paint is fading and some of that yellow is exposing some of the original sign on it and I am hopeful that when we start sanding it down, we will see the original sign! YES, I'll be taking plenty of pictures of it!!!

My only dilimma now is which paint job to use-the existing one which is nice or the ORIGINAL with WGN which has much history?? It was originally used in the '50's to televise the Cubs games from Wrigley Stadium! Most likely it did other shows as there couldn't have been many of these such vans.

What do you people think? Which way should I go here???? Remember, this Dodge van is only one of two vans (all TV vans-not just Dodge) known to exist with all original equipment. It is a 1952 Dodge Route Van and Dodge built very few of such vehicles and finding body parts is very slim. I think it's a neat looking van and it has much promise!

Another thing I found on evilbay was a 1961 book published by WGN of all their history up to that point. With over 200 pages and as many pictures I though surely there would be some reference to this van. There wasn't. To add insult to this injury, I had to pay dearly for this book. Normally they go for well under $20 here and I paid over $50. I just had to know!

Your nut case here, Julian Burke

Tough call. Since it was used at Cubs games, there is a definite draw towards repainting it in the original WGN livery.

Paint one side like KDAL & the other like WGN. Well, you could!

What are the odds to get info from one of the guys that used to broadcast from the van?

That's a tough one which way to go for the restoration. I would probably lean towards WGN since it was the original paint scheme and has the Cubs history to go with it.

Very cool old truck! :thmbsp:

I'd go for WGN. This would keep it as close to 'original' as when it rolled into Chicago for its first day on the job.

Think I'd go back original, because of the rarity of the vehicle. It is, after all, nearly 60 yrs old....

Hello Everyone!

First I want to thank you Al, for the picture of this van! Do you know about when this picture was taken?

I took that picture in the summer of 1967. During the time KDAL had the van it was parked in a rented garage near the TV studios.

I tried to look at the pictures in your original post Juian, but it says that page is not available.

I'm biased of course, but the KDAL paint is what I'd favor. I did work for WGN for a few months after I left KDAL but then took a job with DEC. If that truck could tell stories you would really hear some good ones.

Al

Paint one side like KDAL & the other like WGN. Well, you could!

maybe I'M crazy too, but this doesn't sound like such a bad idea!

I would try to contact WGN for any help. I did try to contact my WGN baseball producer friend and got a "out of office" email saying he is not there anymore. Such is the problem of bankruptcy at the Tribune. I will email him directly to see if he has any ideas.

This truck has to be the beginning of one Arnie Harris, WGN baseball producer/director for as long as I can remember and a long-time friend until his passing.

My vote is WGN. World's Greatest Newspaper.

Dave A

I never thought of doing one side of each but that may not be such a bad idea considering. It would then appeal to all who were associated with it. I want to do the WGN but it has a history of KDAL which is a sister station of the original. I want to do it right and would prefer to do it all on one but since it is an important van, one side of each could possibly do the job and with it on display, I think people would understand. Thank you Bryan for the idea! The other posting telling about radio vans with more than one logo is nothing unusual as well.

Here in Knoxville we have many radio stations and one group owns I think 6 of them and another about 5. Their parking lot (down from my main warehouse) looks like a used car lot for radio vans. Nowadays what is a radio van anyway? Not much more than just a traveling billboard for the station. What can it do besides a good handheld? ---not much! I love this van that I have and besides, it is a 1952 Dodge Route Van! When was the last time you saw one? Or ever saw one? Going into Dodge history reveals that not many were built-some in the 30 or so bracket. Body parts will be hard to find as it is a lonely one. (like us!)

It is interesting and very unusual that I am able to talk to pretty much all of the people who were involved with it on the KDAL side. (so far three, or was it four?) I haven't found anyone yet on the WGN side. In the top of the cab there is a "glove compartment" and hanging in there with a piece of tape was a business card with Harrisons' name on it. (printed, not written!) I was able to contact him and he told me much as well as its' WGN history. I'm sure that this is a first and breaking new ground with old history!! I cannot tell you how disappointed I was when I bought that expensive large book from evilbay on the history of WGN. With over 200 pictures and no reference to this van. I'm sure something will turn up. So far , Al (CCSIAL) is the only one who has come forward with an "original" picture. Thank you again Al!

BTW, my wife had changed all of the picures to a different shell website and I think I got most of them back on the original posting. I didn't know she had done this and I couldn't figure out what happened myself. (clickable URL's)

I was thinking you could do the hood and one side for one station, back and other side for the second.

There is a local radio station group that runs a small remote van painted in 2 schemes, one side is yellow and advertises their country station, the other is black and promotes their oldies outlet. Shows up in all the parades. A few years back we painted a vintage race car for a fellow; he wanted to match the scheme on a car he owned in the 60s, but he never really liked it. So, we painted one side like the old one and the other was done up the way he always wanted it.

That's also a very good idea! I'll keep that one in mind as well.