Was watching Bewitched this afternoon, and was noticing their Zenith console. The TV man came by to do some work on it, and then was put under a spell by Endora. Anyway, they gave a couple of good shots of the set.

Anyone else ever catch any TV shots on TV while watching older shows? Seems I recall someone mentioning before about a color set on the Beverly Hillbillies in which Granny thought there was water in it because it was on and was showing pictures of the ocean.

Here are the vintage shots of Sam & Darrin's Zenith...

TV man working on it. Geeze... it couldn't have been very old yet!

On Archie Bunker, the TV died when we was to be on the Cronkite News. They didn't have a front shot of the set, but Archie did insult the repairman. When they went to Kelsey's, there was an Emerson color set there. After Archie bribed the bar patrons with a round, Kelsey changed the channel just in time for Archie's interview to be preempted by CBS for a Nixon speech.

Later in the series, during the Beverly LaSalle story, Edith dropped her sweeper attachment under the TV and Beverly picked it up. It had the elements of a 60's era Zenith BW set.

I remember seeing a Bewitched episode where Sam and Darrin had a roundie in the first half of the episode and a rectangular in the second half.

As I recall, seems Darrin & Samantha had a new set almost every season.

I recently saw an episode of All in the Family in which Edith was trying to buy a new color TV for their anniversary. She went to archie to borrow the money, but wouldn't tell him what it was for. Of course, you know he didn't like the idea of not knowing what his money was being used for.

I remember a "Mr Ed" b&w episode titled "Ed's Color TV." I think it was a Magnavox set.
Also in the early 60's the NBC show "Hazel" switched to color and the episode had Hazel shopping for a color set (RCA of course) for her room.
Also the "Andy Griffith Show" where Aunt Bea wins a color tv in a contest.

Mr. Ed was sponsered by Studebaker! To put a finer point on it, the dealers actually sponsered it as the corporation put the touch on all of them to chip in!!!!!!! Next time you watch it look for Wilbur's station wagon.

I recently heard that they may be re-making this show, don't know who'll be in it...........the original Mr. Ed has long gone to the big glue factory in the sky.

Anthony

Anthony and other Mr Ed fans...FOX Television has made a pilot of the "Mr Ed" show with Sherman Hemsley as the voice of Ed. Like all pilots, the show may or may not be picked up for the fall season.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who watches shows and tries to figure out what type of set is being shown. I also remember Sam & Durwood having a roundie, but didn't catch the mid-episode switch. I guess if they can switch a main character without explaining it, they can do the same for a TV set!

It's sort of interesting to think, and perhaps I've been seeing too many black helicopters :D, but did you ever notice that every sit-com is filmed from the Television's point of view in the room?

Is anyone else annoyed when the back of a console set is shown, yet it has no vent holes, crt neck or wires?

BTW, I was the person who mentioned the Beverly Hillbillies episode where everybody thought the new TV that Mr. Drysdale gave them for Christmas was a clothes washer. As I recall, this was an early B&W episode.

Anybody else watch "Crime Story" ? I remember one of the main characters had a blonde roundie that they usually showed being on. Kinda unusual, because it looked like the tv really was functioning, not the usual "cut 'n' paste" fake image job. Looked like it was probly a late '50s RCA-the show was set in 1963. -Sandy G.

Good call Sandy. I remember it was in some Mafia kingpin's living room. Of course there's always "American Dreams" which was trashed to death on this forum some time back. The show is into 1965 now and the father character/TV store owner is still selling new 50's era radios and tv's. Where's that store now?

Here's the Beverly Hillbillies show Carmine and Charlie mentioned. I grabbed these images from an MPEG downloaded from liketelevision.com

I also remember a few "Honeymooners" episodes with vintage TV sets in the plot. In the Lost Episodes series "Kramden vs. Norton" they fight over a TV set won at a movie theater, circa 1955 I think.
Jim

That Hillbillies set looks a lot like the RCA roundie I have out back, the one I havn't identified yet.

It would make since that an ad man like Darrin would get a new tv every year, right? Probably had a tv company as a customer:) I had been trying to i.d. their set before but never had quite a good enough shot. Other sets I can think of: on Happy Days they have a portable set brought in to the diner for some special event on tv. For some reason my memory from watching this as a kid says the set was color (which would be wrong, of course) but it seems that I've seen it again in recent years & it was bw. The album cover of Huey Lewis & the News "Sports" has a CTC31 (I think). Of course, there was the I Love Lucy episode where she pulls the guts out of the tv.

And if you look closely (using a modern set) you can see the CRT is a obviously a Cardboard cutout! Apparently they thought a real CRT was too dangerous to have on the set. :)

Originally posted by bgadow
there was the I Love Lucy episode where she pulls the guts out of the tv.

There was anotehr _All in the Family_ ep where Edith had the TV set 's chassis and CRT sent out for repairs. All that there was left was the cabinet and 4 speakers on both sides of where the CRT would go. Archie gets home and attempts to turn the TV on with the remote. "Where's the guts to my TV set?" he asks Edith. "Out for repairs" she says. Archie decides it's time for a new TV set. Also it seems a ring or such jewerly Edith had was stolen, but under the household insurance. Archie wants to use the insurance payment towards the new TV. Eventually the ring is recovered and the insurance payment is denied, and Mike offers to make up the difference so Archie's check Archie paid for the TV doesn't bounce.

Must have been a reasonably high end TV with 4 speakers in the cabinet.

Another ep two black burglers are inside the place and they comment that the wallpaper is peeling and the place is a dump except for the fancy new color TV here....

Originally posted by wa2ise
There was anotehr _All in the Family_ ep where Edith had the TV set 's chassis and CRT sent out for repairs.

i saw this episode a couple of months ago. I recall seeing all of those speakers, and was thinking the same thing... being a nicer model. Too bad we only see it from the rear.

Saw this set on the Andy Griffith Show tonight. Not sure what it is, but certainly looks 50's.

One thing to note... early on in this episode, Andy was turning on the television, and had sound immediately after powering it up. I've seen this with other old shows. Even in those days, viewers must have caught on to that.

Sure reminds me of a Truetone-

Cory

Imagine how different a TV show would be if they made the audience view the warmup. Pretty exciting. Especially if its a good old transformerless job. Nice and slow. Just kidding everyone. That set also resembles a Motorola from the early 50s....

I'll bet that was a heavy TV set!

That must be an EARLY version of the Dumont Royal Sovereign with the 30BP4! :eek: :p: :D :lmao:

In case you haven't noticed, I watch Bewitched quite often! :D

Looks like Sam and Darrin have moved up to a color set here. Well, more like Darrin moved INTO a color set! Got zapped in there by some witch that Endora knew from "centuries" ago.

Hard to tell, but I think this one is a Zenith as well as the previous B&W set I posted. Dick York played Darrin till 1969, so I would guess this to be a 68 or 69 model Zenith.

Here's a closer shot...

Looks like that 1968 SC600 I posted a few threads back.

The beverly Hillbillies set looks like a ctc-15 with the 4 small controls under the screen.

Was just thumbin thru tv channels and came across a Predicta floor model on a Sci Fi show called Stargate Atlantis. Was kinda cool looking... they were in some kind of future console room... lots of computers and monitors... and apparently Predicta Pedestal was being used as one of the computer monitors. It certainly stood out in the crowd! I was not able to tell if it was a color or B&W version since I was watching it on a B&W set.

This thread suffers probably more than any other on the forum by its loss of images. :tears:

And if you look closely (using a modern set) you can see the CRT is a obviously a Cardboard cutout! Apparently they thought a real CRT was too dangerous to have on the set.

I've seen similar things done in other shows too, even modern ones. Often times when you see a TV in the room, the screen looks odd, it seems like it's either a piece of cardboard or it's been painted or coated with something. I remember seeing one TV show where the characters were in a kitchen and there was a small set there, and the screen looked like it had been painted gray! I think that they do this so that they don't get reflection of the lights and cameras off the shiny glass of a CRT. Otherwise it would be too easy to goof and have a reflection of a camera crew in the glass :)

-Ian

Don't forget the Farnsworth TV on Adam's family that someone posted a picture of on AK last year.

Also there was a television in the 1928 movie Metropolis. It was used to spy on the workers on the plant floor. I always wandered if they used a movie film for the images on the TV since it was too high resolution for a mechanical TV?

I saw the same thing with the Predictas about a month ago, also in B&W, so I can't say if they were B&W or color either. Most of the time I watch TV I am either looking for old cars or TVs. I too have found alot of both in Bewitched, I've been watching the 2nd year of it in color on DVD on my Philco roundie the past few days.

Remember the 3 Stooges episode where the boys got a new TV & were going to put an antenna for it on the roof of their house? Of course, they make a melluva hess out of the whole deal, & I remember pulling tubes out of Shemp's mouth....-Sandy G.

I too have found alot of both in Bewitched, I've been watching the 2nd year of it in color on DVD on my Philco roundie the past few days.

Yes, I have those same DVD's. Origianlly, they were in B&W. That Zenith in Samantha's living room was a black & white set... not color... yet they colorized the screen. They did a good job when they colorized that season for DVD... but looks like they did the job just a little bit too good!

I laughed when she said she fixed the Zenith with a nail file. Hell... I wish it was that easy!!! It sure did leave the TV repairman with a confused look... considering he was still carrying the horiz. output tube in his hand while the set played perfectly!

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Yes, I have those same DVD's. Origianlly, they were in B&W. That Zenith in Samantha's living room was a black & white set... not color... yet they colorized the screen. They did a good job when they colorized that season for DVD... but looks like they did the job just a little bit too good!

The first year, the second year or both? When I got year one I saw color and B&W, and I got the B&W, but when I went to get year two I saw only color ones. But it looks like they have a B&W TV to me in year two as well (I think there are two different ones).

On one of the American Chopper episodes about the beginnings of the Teutul family, some of the old footage of Paul Sr. at his mother's house has what looks like some sort of console model color roundie with legs. It's really hard to tell what brand or model it is. Maybe Paul Sr. will know? :)

Jonathan

The first year, the second year or both? When I got year one I saw color and B&W, and I got the B&W, but when I went to get year two I saw only color ones. But it looks like they have a B&W TV to me in year two as well (I think there are two different ones).


I just Googled the second season DVD to be sure I understood the meaning of your post. How discouraging: the second season of Bewitched was not filmed in color. The DVD release is all artificially colorized material.

I just Googled the second season DVD to be sure I understood the meaning of your post. How discouraging: the second season of Bewitched was not filmed in color. The DVD release is all artificially colorized material.

The second season is available in the original B&W, I got the colorized version because it can still be viewed in B&W or color if desired.

Did anyone else think the colorizing on the second season was slightly less well done compared to the first?

Yes, the old b&w seasons (1 & 2) have recently been colorized. In those seasons, Sam has a B&W Zenith, but since the show was colorized, they also made her Zenith color... which would be a mistake. In the episode where her father comes to visit for the first time, they show her B&W Zenith apart all over the floor. When it's on again, it's playing color.

Eric, I haven't watched all of them yet, but, I thought the color was okay. Or at least, not bad considering it started out as B&W. I'm sure it must be quite a job to give those shows color. With "old color" episodes, it's just a matter of retouching color... but with black and white, it's like starting from scratch. Can't be an easy job. In any case, I've enjoyed them.

Hope this sort of qualifies as TV on TV. Recently surfed by the film "La Bamba" on TV and hit it just as the Valenzuela family was watching Ritchie, all of them huddled around their Admiral 10" bakelite consolette just like the one I have. It was brief and the set didn't appear again after that.

Not to mention "The Secret Life of Machines - The Television". It has an interview with the curator of the Vintage Wireless Musuem. During the interview, prewar and postwar english sets are shown. It's what first interested me in early and vintage television. I'd love to own that Marconi 707. :)

Jonathan

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On The Six Million Dollar Man, there was a rare Sony LV-1901 console with built-in Betamax in Oscar Goldman's office. And in the episode of The Bionic Woman where the scientist made a weather control machine, there was a whole bank of CTC-46 25" table models.

I think Lucy and Ricky had a Westinghouse 21" blonde console on a few episodes, and other times it was a fake prop TV.

In Happy Days, there was an episode where one of the guys (might have been Potsy?)was trying to pick up girls by telling that he had a TV in his own room... I tried that and it didn't work anymore by the early 80s :scratch2:

In Mr. Ed, there was a 19" Packard-Bell Astronaut that was on a wheeled stand in the barn.

But in all of the cases I tell here, I think just about every show switched TVs periodically. In fact, I remember Oscar Goldman also having a Sony KV-5000 on his desk in some episodes, as well as the LV-1901.

Charles

Was watching Bewitched this afternoon, and was noticing their Zenith console. The TV man came by to do some work on it, and then was put under a spell by Endora. Anyway, they gave a couple of good shots of the set.

Anyone else ever catch any TV shots on TV while watching older shows? Seems I recall someone mentioning before about a color set on the Beverly Hillbillies in which Granny thought there was water in it because it was on and was showing pictures of the ocean.

Here are the vintage shots of Sam & Darrin's Zenith...


I've seen some episodes of Bewitched with an Admiral 19" metal table model color set; maybe same TV that they used in the Brady Bunch...

Charles

This thread suffers probably more than any other on the forum by its loss of images. :tears:

Found these Bewitched pics I had posted before the server crash.

Perhaps she has one of those cheesy screens that you place over a b&w tube to give it color! :yes: :D

==Anybody else watch "Crime Story" ? I remember one of the main characters had a blonde roundie that they usually showed being on. Kinda unusual, because it looked like the tv really was functioning, not the usual "cut 'n' paste" fake image job. Looked like it was probly a late '50s RCA-the show was set in 1963. -Sandy G.===

Yeah that was the "Phil Bartoli" character played by Jon Polito, I remember that blonde roundie, once he was watching some horse race and rooting for a nag that he had money riding on! Was a real working set.

[QUOTE=I also remember a few "Honeymooners" episodes with vintage TV sets in the plot. In the Lost Episodes series "Kramden vs. Norton" they fight over a TV set won at a movie theater, circa 1955 I think.
Jim[/QUOTE]

In the fight, Ralph removes the picture tube and it's laying on his kitchen table, obviously a blown-out tube from the looks of the face! A few episodes in Norton's apartment show he was willing to spend the bucks for a table set.

This thread suffers probably more than any other on the forum by its loss of images. :tears:

:nono: not this thread...i'd say the "show us your vintage B&W sets" thread suffers most of all
frank

And if you look closely (using a modern set) you can see the CRT is a obviously a Cardboard cutout! Apparently they thought a real CRT was too dangerous to have on the set. :)

you'd be surprised at how uneducated some people are about those kind of things. my father (who was born in 41 so he's seen some vintage sets) actually tried to talk me out of buying my Magnavox because he thought it was too dangerous! he said he wouldnt even have one in his house let alone work on it or have someone look at it! :no:
frank

This is slightly off the topic, but I just got the old Outer Limits on DVD and if you pause it at just the right point in the beginning before they start messing with it, you can get a good, useable test pattern. Its not the whole thing, it is a bit cut off on the edges, though. (this is one of those retrace line free dvds too) I was watching it on my 55 Westinghouse and just noticed that it has some serious vert. linearity issues, that aren't fixed with the controls, now I have to pull the chassis again, and this is one of those sets where the crt has to come out along with it :sigh:

I've been watching the 3rd year of Bewitched on DVD, I was hoping to see a roundie, but for the most part they have a Zenith rectangular console, but in one episode (#16 on the dvd) Samantha and Darrin are watching TV, and you see them first watching a Zenith roundie, then they show a closeup of the set, and it's the same rectangular Zenith from before! You get to see alot of the TV in this year, alot of the scenes take place infront of that rectangular Zenith.

The switched TVs again two episodes later, Darrin is watching TV in his office, and they show a closeup up of a Zenith rectangular color console, then they show Darrin and Tate talking with the TV shown from behind, and it is a b/w table top model on a tv stand.

Adam,

It's not unusual for companies to provide their products to shows (now known as product placement) for a consideration. In the case of Bewitched, Zenith supplied sets and got their brand name seen by millions of viewers everytime there was a closeup of the front of a tv. Sometimes different sets were used for insert shots, where the picture on the screen was inserted as a special effect. And later edited into the scene. in post production. This may be done days after the actors completed the principal shooting, and on a separate insert stage. Also two different sets may be used in the same scene because it fits the framing or camera angle of the scene. Ie: a console is in the wide shot and you then see the back of a portable, to suggest the previously seen console, in a tight reverse shot in the same scene. Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.

-Steve .

...but in one episode (#16 on the dvd) Samantha and Darrin are watching TV, and you see them first watching a Zenith roundie, then they show a closeup of the set, and it's the same rectangular Zenith from before!


I saw the same one tonight... I bought season 3 this weekend. I think this is the only time I've seen a roundie on this show. Funny... I guess they didn't think we'd notice that they changed the set from one scene to the next.

A little while ago, an ad on TV for Mass Mutual was discussing 401k planning... and in the ad, they show the rear of what I think was this General Electric set. They didn't show the front, just the back. I recognized it because of the huge oval speaker, and, you could tell the television slid into the wooden cabinet as this one does.

Aha, I haven't seen the ad in question, but it was described to me yesterday by a (non-expert) friend. Right away I could tell from his description that it was one of those GEs.

Just saw an interesting set on the Twilight Zone tonight. The pic is off the air and ch 56 isn't comming in too good tonight, so it's not that clear. At first they were showing a repair man behing the set with the chassis, I wasn't fast enough with the camera to get a pic of that though.

A little off-topic - since this thread is "TV on TV" but in the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" all radios and TV sets are made by Zenith.

That is interesting...when I saw the thumbnail I first thought "color roundie" but then I realized it is, I guess, a 10" in a very fancy cabinet.

At the beginning of the episode Sam and darrin have a strange tv set. It seems it has a small screen despite the cabinet and knobs seem similar to the usual b/w tv. It then reverts to the normal screen size tv and then it's blown out by queen Victoria. Isn't the chassis rather peculiar?

Indeed. That chassis is a 1930s radio. See the perforated shield can with the grid cap hole? I also question the pressboard back cover...

Charles

Not quite a TV but interesting premise. An alien planet sells OBIT monitors to the US government. No one knows who ordered them or why. The machines arrive at military installations with instructions to watch everyone to find subersive individuals. Each channel tunes to an individual. The guy watching thinks his wife is having an affair but cann't see the guy on the machine. It breaks the rules and adjusts the machine to tune in the guys frequency and see who it is. He sees an alien on the screen. Watching is addictive to encourage the watching and monitors are scheduled to be delivered to schools and libraries.

Can be seen on YouTube. Divided in two parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLzKgp2lzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7oOw1yB5iM

I wasn't able to identify the TV. Does anyone have any clue?

Can be seen on YouTube. Divided in two parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLzKgp2lzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7oOw1yB5iM

I wasn't able to identify the TV. Does anyone have any clue?

Can't tell, might be a mock up made of bits and pieces or a real set.

He pulls out a 12" round tube that has already had the vacuum let out, i.e. the phosphor's blown off the screen, the neck's intact though so they must have poked a hole through the base.

Yeah, the TV has a round CRT, but the front of the set appear to be of a rectangular model.

That's really confusing.

What I found really funny is that one of them is assembling the rooftop antena inside the house.

round color console on Kojak...

At first they were showing a repair man behind the set with the chassis, I wasn't fast enough with the camera to get a pic of that though.

Twilight Zone: "What's in the Box?"
A very "special" TV.
Joan Blondell, William Demarest, Sterling Holloway as the TV Repairman
The comment from W.D. was "It's a racket that's what it is"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIiCFj26fDM
Note the "blacked out" GE tube box on the top of the set.

What the???? I just watched it all the way to the end. Somebody edited in the "Beaver" dancing to "I like big buts" Way to much time on their hands.