View Full Version : She's a runner!!!


freakaftr8
11-10-2007, 01:34 PM
Well I recieved all the replacement parts Friday for the ctc-16, got finished with it today, inspected my work, and re installed the chassis, powered up the set and voilla! What a picture!!! I went ahead and swapped out all three 27k 2W R-y B-y g-y grid resistors and x and z demod plate resistors, all were out of tolerance or open. Swapped out all wax caps, and replaced a few orange drops. This set looks better than my Chromacolor II!!! Oh yeah, the 21FJP22 reads great and within 15% between red green and blue! Found a few out of tolerance resistors for the 2nd video IF as well which explaind the video smearing. Vertical was wonky due to a faulty 150k resistor between the vert height and lin pots and the cardboard axial lytic cap on the vertical sweep board. Not enough blue screen caused by a faulty 100k 1W resistor for the blue screen pot. found the same for red screen as well... The raster on this set is exceptionally bright and very well focused, I spent a few hours tweakin the screens and bias to get a great greyscale, then used my B&K on crosshatch and finnesed the convergence to near perfect. I really appreciate all you guys help as I battled this monster! It's deffenatly rewarding! Shoot, it's got such an awesome picture that im using it at the moment to play my XBOX!

andy
11-10-2007, 01:58 PM
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freakaftr8
11-10-2007, 02:01 PM
Good idea! , brb gonna go grab my camera

radiotvnut
11-10-2007, 02:12 PM
Glad you got that set going again! You've certainly got a winner there that I know you'll always be proud of! Can't wait to see the pictures!

MRX37
11-10-2007, 02:16 PM
I'm glad too that you managed to get it working. I had been wondering whether or not you would.

Here's to hoping it runs another 50 years!

freakaftr8
11-10-2007, 02:35 PM
Here's some pics...

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/freakaftr8/P1010004.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/freakaftr8/P1010006.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/freakaftr8/P1010009.jpg

freakaftr8
11-10-2007, 02:37 PM
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/freakaftr8/P1010007.jpg

freakaftr8
11-10-2007, 02:42 PM
That first pic kinda looks like that scene from nightmare on elm street when that dude got sucked into the roundie in that abondened house huh! lol

Dan Starnes
11-10-2007, 05:21 PM
The color sure pops,, nice goin.
Dan

Bill R
11-10-2007, 08:05 PM
I always thought the 16 was one of the best pictures around. Especially the later runs with a good 21fjp22a rare earth crt. Great job.

Bill R

Tony V
11-11-2007, 01:02 AM
Thats awesome! I believe an easy fix isnt as gradifying as one you got to chase down and dig in to fix. You tend to appreciate the set more afterwards, learn a little bit and have a sense of accomplishment when your done. In your case the aggravation was well worth it as you now have a great playing set. Good job and enjoy!
-Tony

jpdylon
11-11-2007, 01:18 AM
man that is schweet!!! :thmbsp:

Got to get mine finished :yes:

Duane
11-11-2007, 09:28 AM
Excellent job :thmbsp:What a nice looking set.

freakaftr8
11-11-2007, 11:20 AM
Thanks guys, you know im suprised to find such rich contrast in this crt, it's only a 21fjp22 not an "a" rare earth crt as far as I can tell. And judging by the cataract that built up on it before removal, I think its original, the crt has no paper tags glued to it, the only thing it has is a white label 1/2"high 1.5"long that says 21FJP22 . Looks really good when I play HALO on it from the XBOX... lol.

My B&K 465 got damaged in shipping, the needle got bugered up from the faceplate coming off and bouncing around the box, it's finicky when adjusting g2 out of cut off. and at the 5-8 heater range, cranked the heater voltage up, it wont reach 6.3. Think ill file a claim and get another tester. I need it for my B&W Maggie combo anyway.

gadget73
11-11-2007, 11:41 AM
Good deal. I was actually thinking the first pic looked like something from one of the old Doctor Who intros.

kx250rider
11-11-2007, 12:20 PM
Nice work!!! That's an inspiration for me to find some time to go through my Zenith roundie... As soon as I catch up on a few things, and as soon as we survive 2 more months of "The Holiday season," (formerly known as Christmas and Hanukkah when those weren't taboo words)

Charles

radiotvnut
11-11-2007, 01:06 PM
Thanks guys, you know im suprised to find such rich contrast in this crt, it's only a 21fjp22 not an "a" rare earth crt as far as I can tell. And judging by the cataract that built up on it before removal, I think its original, the crt has no paper tags glued to it, the only thing it has is a white label 1/2"high 1.5"long that says 21FJP22 . Looks really good when I play HALO on it from the XBOX... lol.

My B&K 465 got damaged in shipping, the needle got bugered up from the faceplate coming off and bouncing around the box, it's finicky when adjusting g2 out of cut off. and at the 5-8 heater range, cranked the heater voltage up, it wont reach 6.3. Think ill file a claim and get another tester. I need it for my B&W Maggie combo anyway.

I hope the 465 was insured. I've heard of a lot of buyers paying for insurance but the seller still does not add it and they keep the extra money. When you get another tester; may I recommend something like a B&K 467, 470, 480, or 490. The 470 and 480 have a single meter. The 467 and 490 have three seperate meters. My first tester was a 465; and, they were not bad testers for their day. The main problem I have with them is with the harsh rejuvenate function and the fact that it won't test newer inline tubes without adapter modifications. The newer B&K's have a better rejuventate function and adapters are available for all the older B&W tubes through modern CRT's. I have rejuved several B&W tubes with the 465. Some held and some didn't. I didn't have near the luck with color tubes. I've rejuved many types of tubes with my 480 with mostly good results. Those newer B&K's cost several hundred $$ or more when new; but, can often be found on ebay for a very reasonable price. There's not much demand for CRT testers anymore since everything modern is either "throw away" or uses some other type of display other than a CRT. The shop here in town does not own a CRT tester. He borrows mine when he wants to test one. I think the last time he borrowed it was about 3 years ago.

freakaftr8
11-11-2007, 01:22 PM
Yeah, I hear that, I read up on the testing equipment threads. Dont think mine was insured, and im not to hip on the rejuv function on the 465, did a Maggie color console from 68 a few years back and it turned out bad, hence having to purchase a new tube.. I'll look for the newer B&K's, thanks for that info!

freakaftr8
11-13-2007, 10:58 AM
Here's something that makes since for a good screenshot..

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/freakaftr8/tv21.jpg

mr_fixer
11-13-2007, 11:48 AM
Very, Very Nice ! I'd love to see some Halo screen shots. It would make a excellent avatar pic on a gamer site!

freakaftr8
11-13-2007, 12:32 PM
cool, this is all I got but...

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/freakaftr8/tv2.jpg

fsjonsey
11-13-2007, 01:01 PM
cool, this is all I got but...

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/freakaftr8/tv2.jpg

NICE.

sampson159
11-13-2007, 01:14 PM
judy garland never looked so good! that is a great looking roundie. i am happy you got it going. looks great! another one saved!

mr_fixer
11-13-2007, 02:40 PM
Nice! I just thought that the combo of old and new, would make a cool effect, and it does!

compucat
11-13-2007, 03:57 PM
That's a beautiful set, congratulations. I really love the cabinet style. Nothing quite beats a roundie for color quality. I have a '65 Zenith (the one in my avatar) and the reds are so deep and rich. Mine also has the regular 21FJP22 (recently rebuilt) and the contrast is quite surprising. I've found the secret is using lower brightness settings. If the set is adjusted right the picture is amazing as you know from your own set. I hope that RCA keeps going for another five decades. Let's all keep those roundies glowing.

freakaftr8
11-13-2007, 04:17 PM
Oh I deffinatly agree with you, the reds and blues on these roundie sets are rich and ruby like. This is my first roundie and it takes my breath away to see amazing rich colors like this! My CRT is as far as I can tell an original 21FJP22 as well..

That's a beautiful set, congratulations. I really love the cabinet style. Nothing quite beats a roundie for color quality. I have a '65 Zenith (the one in my avatar) and the reds are so deep and rich. Mine also has the regular 21FJP22 (recently rebuilt) and the contrast is quite surprising. I've found the secret is using lower brightness settings. If the set is adjusted right the picture is amazing as you know from your own set. I hope that RCA keeps going for another five decades. Let's all keep those roundies glowing.

compucat
11-14-2007, 01:03 PM
Oh I definitely agree with you, the reds and blues on these roundie sets are rich and ruby like. This is my first roundie and it takes my breath away to see amazing rich colors like this! My CRT is as far as I can tell an original 21FJP22 as well..

The Zenith is my first and so far only roundie. It is a little tougher doing your first one as you have nothing to compare it to. That's why I had to ask questions on the forum regarding performance and reliability. It's not as though I know anyone else nearby who has one. It actually seems as though the quality of color reproduction has diminished with the more recent sets. Most modern TVs make the reds look orange and have poor focus and convergence.

frenchy
11-16-2007, 09:29 PM
Shoot, it's got such an awesome picture that im using it at the moment to play my XBOX!

I got a few kicks with my ctc-16 by playing my old Fairchild "Channel F" video game system on it. (Even older than the Atari 2600.) Figured as far as video games go, that's as close as I was going to get to the age of the TV : )

ChrisW6ATV
11-16-2007, 10:47 PM
I remember the Fairchild... That controller was a pain to use. The tough thing was twisting it without pushing the stick left or right at the same time, in the baseball game.