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When I 1st came back here, I was VERY angry over what had happened to me, & wrote a thread-full of hate , bitterness, & hyperbole It apparently-RIGHTFULLY so-caused many of you to complain to the mod staff. After cooling off a bit I read thru it again & deleted the whole sorry mess. REALLY wouldn't kill anyone, ever over anything-Well, maybe if someone was about to kill my wife, or me..Anyhow, its gone, & I think there is a pretty good chance I may be, too. Yeah, it was THAT bad. What is the overall opinion of you folks ? If y'all say I need to go, I'll say "Sayonara", & we'll part company. I'll never bother this august group again. If you think I deserve a 2nd chance, maybe I'll stay. I haven't made up my mind-Yet. A LOT depends on how you guys feel. This whole thing is rather difficult, I foolishly let my bile & vitriol get the better of me. This apology is not an excuse, but maybe a feeble attempt at an explanation. By the bye, Even my wife gave me a pretty good "Chewing" over what I did/said, & is even madder than normal at me. "You run yr damn mouth AGAIN didn't you ? Told you not to, but you wouldn't listen." Sometimes, it ain't easy/fun being me....
I read your thread , and I did not complain about it because I totally understood where your anger was coming from , you were betrayed by people you tried to help and were rightly angry and hurt over the betrayal . I figure your about the same age roughly as I am (I'm 12 years into retirement now) and to the people of our generation homosexuality was seen as a character flaw and was subject to open ridicule , even if the person wasn't a thief who would take advantage of those trying to help him . Nowadays the culture has changed and things like race , sexual orientation , and religious beliefs are no longer fair game to be used when assessing/assaulting someone's character , the goodness or badness of their actions alone being the yardstick with which to measure a person's moral timber . When angry , it's all too easy to "pull out all the stops" and throw everything different about the object of our ire out there for all the world to see , even though during calm thought we know that flawed characters as well as upstanding characters come in all kinds of races , creeds , and sexual orientations .

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On a positive note Sandy I managed to find and extract that Panasonic TV the other day...I still gotta make sure it still works and find suitable packing material to enable it to reach you intact.
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Interesting. Is the urban decay as widespread as the media would have us believe, or is it isolated to specific parts of the city?
Actually, sort of both. Detroit is laid out using a spoke and wheel system, so I'll go by that to start. Downtown is fine. The Woodward/Cass corridors are fine for the most part. Michigan is fine out to about 12th street. Grand River is fine until just past the casino. Jefferson is fine clear out past Grand Boulevard. Fort Street is rough. Gratiot is rough. Van Dyke between Jefferson and Kercheval is fine, otherwise the whole street is pretty much a war zone.

Going a bit deeper into the neighborhoods, it sort of depends. The Boston-Edison is fine. The Palmer Park area is fine. Indian Village is fine. Mexicantown and Southwest Detroit is fairly stable, though not exactly "nice". Brush Park is fine. East English Village is fine. Islandview is turning around. Jefferson-Chalmers is fine. The Jos. Berry neighborhood is fine. Pingree Park is turning around, very slowly though. Arden Park is fine.

Then there are neighborhoods I wouldn't dare to venture in under police escort, like Brightmoor, St. Jean and Jefferson, almost anything along Van Dyke or Mound, Briggs, Chaldean Town, what's left of Poletown, etc

Then there are the overwhelming, vast majority of the neighborhoods that aren't exactly "bad" per se, you likely won't end up a crime statistic, but there just isn't anything left. Over on the far east side this is extremely common. Entire groupings of city blocks with perhaps one standing home. Some areas literally look like fields with streets running down the center of them; it's wild. Parts of Grixdale Farms remind me of this. The residential sections of Milwaukee Junction are probably the best example of this.

So I think in some sense, the media gets it right as the majority of the city is still rough around the edges, but in the same breath they won't dare show you Downtown, Midtown, Brush Park, Indian Village, the Boston-Edison, etc, because it doesn't fit the blighted narrative.
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Interesting. Is the urban decay as widespread as the media would have us believe, or is it isolated to specific parts of the city?
If you want to see some really insane looking stuff, look up the Heidelberg project. 110% unadulterated nightmare fuel. I won't even drive past the remnants of it.
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We have allowed our society to get in this sorry shape. My Dad was a FIRM believer of "Spare the Rod,& you'll Spoil the child" & trust me, I got at least my share of Arse-whoopins' & dirty looks, up til he died, almost 10 yrs ago. Some of 'em I didn't deserve, a lot of 'em I did. When I'd take Jess w/me, Bethany-his half-sister-& Kim, their great aunt, who was my one time Main Squeeze, he'd be bouncing off the walls, going absolutely WILD. Bethany was "Spirited", but NOT a little hellion that made me regret bringing her. But I think the thing that attracted me to her the most was her Smarts. She was/is almost Scary smart. It was a shame I didn't talk her into trying at least one semester at the local community college-she would have burnt it up. Jess was just an annoying, pesky, ill-behaved little kid. She also kept me from really turning up the heat on him w/the cops-even tho they REALLY wanted me too-as he apparently was/is one of the "Usual suspects"...'Cause he is her brother, & she didn't wanna see him get in trouble, for real. He had apparently used up all his "Brownie Points"/"Get outta jail Free" type breaks.
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Actually, sort of both. Detroit is laid out using a spoke and wheel system, so I'll go by that to start. Downtown is fine. The Woodward/Cass corridors are fine for the most part. Michigan is fine out to about 12th street. Grand River is fine until just past the casino. Jefferson is fine clear out past Grand Boulevard. Fort Street is rough. Gratiot is rough. Van Dyke between Jefferson and Kercheval is fine, otherwise the whole street is pretty much a war zone.

Going a bit deeper into the neighborhoods, it sort of depends. The Boston-Edison is fine. The Palmer Park area is fine. Indian Village is fine. Mexicantown and Southwest Detroit is fairly stable, though not exactly "nice". Brush Park is fine. East English Village is fine. Islandview is turning around. Jefferson-Chalmers is fine. The Jos. Berry neighborhood is fine. Pingree Park is turning around, very slowly though. Arden Park is fine.

Then there are neighborhoods I wouldn't dare to venture in under police escort, like Brightmoor, St. Jean and Jefferson, almost anything along Van Dyke or Mound, Briggs, Chaldean Town, what's left of Poletown, etc

Then there are the overwhelming, vast majority of the neighborhoods that aren't exactly "bad" per se, you likely won't end up a crime statistic, but there just isn't anything left. Over on the far east side this is extremely common. Entire groupings of city blocks with perhaps one standing home. Some areas literally look like fields with streets running down the center of them; it's wild. Parts of Grixdale Farms remind me of this. The residential sections of Milwaukee Junction are probably the best example of this.

So I think in some sense, the media gets it right as the majority of the city is still rough around the edges, but in the same breath they won't dare show you Downtown, Midtown, Brush Park, Indian Village, the Boston-Edison, etc, because it doesn't fit the blighted narrative.
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If you want to see some really insane looking stuff, look up the Heidelberg project. 110% unadulterated nightmare fuel. I won't even drive past the remnants of it.
This is interesting. It always fascinates me how in some American cities you can go around a corner, or travel a few blocks, and the neighborhood completely changes either for the better or the worse. I've been curious for a while how the reality in Detroit compares to the multitude of media reports, and YouTube videos, since it's more or less at the center of the whole urban decay thing. I think nightmare fuel is an accurate description - you must have to do some careful address checking when responding to craigslist ads!

I recently went to an area I would not normally set for in to buy a Bell & Howell projector I'd been looking for, for ages. It turned out to be a musician who lived there for cheap rent.. I guess you can't always judge a book by its cover, but I do tend to err on the side of caution.
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Rest assured you didn't pee in my cornflakes since you came back. I grew up around a lot of characters who ran off at the mouth so I guess I just didn't notice what some others considered offensive.
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We have allowed our society to get in this sorry shape. My Dad was a FIRM believer of "Spare the Rod,& you'll Spoil the child" & trust me, I got at least my share of Arse-whoopins' & dirty looks, up til he died, almost 10 yrs ago. Some of 'em I didn't deserve, a lot of 'em I did.
Some take that literally, and overdo it big time. The drunk who was with my mom--who couldn't get rid of him--until he finally drank himself to death in 2003 would cuss out and terrorize me at random. Suffice it to say I didn't have good role models and have been shaking off their influence, especially his for all that time. In my experience, willing oneself to improve has little effect, most of it comes with time. I think the apex of that was when I realized how bad all that negative energy is for my mental health. These days my drama tolerance is extremely low; I even have to steer clear of most dramatic films.

Perhaps you should go cut down some trees with that uzi; seems like a good way to vent, especially if getting laughs out of it.
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Actually, sort of both. Detroit is laid out using a spoke and wheel system, so I'll go by that to start. Downtown is fine. The Woodward/Cass corridors are fine for the most part. Michigan is fine out to about 12th street. Grand River is fine until just past the casino. Jefferson is fine clear out past Grand Boulevard. Fort Street is rough. Gratiot is rough. Van Dyke between Jefferson and Kercheval is fine, otherwise the whole street is pretty much a war zone.

Going a bit deeper into the neighborhoods, it sort of depends. The Boston-Edison is fine. The Palmer Park area is fine. Indian Village is fine. Mexicantown and Southwest Detroit is fairly stable, though not exactly "nice". Brush Park is fine. East English Village is fine. Islandview is turning around. Jefferson-Chalmers is fine. The Jos. Berry neighborhood is fine. Pingree Park is turning around, very slowly though. Arden Park is fine.

Then there are neighborhoods I wouldn't dare to venture in under police escort, like Brightmoor, St. Jean and Jefferson, almost anything along Van Dyke or Mound, Briggs, Chaldean Town, what's left of Poletown, etc

Then there are the overwhelming, vast majority of the neighborhoods that aren't exactly "bad" per se, you likely won't end up a crime statistic, but there just isn't anything left. Over on the far east side this is extremely common. Entire groupings of city blocks with perhaps one standing home. Some areas literally look like fields with streets running down the center of them; it's wild. Parts of Grixdale Farms remind me of this. The residential sections of Milwaukee Junction are probably the best example of this.

So I think in some sense, the media gets it right as the majority of the city is still rough around the edges, but in the same breath they won't dare show you Downtown, Midtown, Brush Park, Indian Village, the Boston-Edison, etc, because it doesn't fit the blighted narrative.
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I've got grandparents in Mt. Olivet as well but only go there with one or more other people. My dad worked at St. Jean and Jeff and we lived on Grixdale. The house is gone now as of a couple of years ago when I went to check it out. Sad to see whats happened.
I picked up the Meck TV for Steve a few years ago at an estate sale in Boston-Edison.

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My Great-Grandparents lived on Cadillac Blvd between Charlevoix and Kercheval prior to buying a farm out in what was then Nankin Township. Great-Grandpa Moyer subdivided the farm over the years and now it's a newer subdivision. The house on Cadillac is long gone.

My Grandparents lived on Chelsea street, close to Conner, before moving out to Warren in the early 60s. He worked for Packard, and later the main Post Office on Fort just south-west of Downtown. Then, my Grandfather moved out to Sterling Heights in the late 60s after my Grandmother passed unexpectedly. The only remnants of the Chelsea Street home are a basement and charred framework. The home in Warren is looking rather rough, but it's there. The southern sides of the inner ring of suburbs are getting nasty...

I currently live in a home in Midtown. Aside from the one break in, and the drunken frat assholes, I don't have any real trouble.

Lately my father has been openly floating the idea of exhuming his parents and moving them to the newer Catholic cemetery out near Rochester but the Archdiocese has been a stumbling block thus far. At least Mt. Olivet is well maintained. Its the neighborhood around it, and simply getting there, that can be downright scary.

I've had good luck finding sets in the wealthier areas of town. I found a color roundie in Indian Village, and my current 621TS in the Jos. Berry neighborhood. I also found a Farnsworth in the neighborhood opposite Oakland University off of Adams out in the 'burbs. That one was a bit of a surprise.
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So much for apologizing, this thread reads like an exact continuation of the one that was locked.
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..... I picked up the Meck TV for Steve a few years ago at an estate sale in Boston-Edison.

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Since I'm from the USA's original Boston , Boston Massachusetts , and for years we had an electrical generating plant named "Boston Edison" , I'm curious what this "Boston-Edison" you refer to is ? Is it a neighborhood ? A town ? A nickname for an area ?
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Perhaps you should go cut down some trees with that uzi; seems like a good way to vent, especially if getting laughs out of it.[/QUOTE]

Never shot down a tree, but did mow down a patch of bull-weeds w/Maj. Uzi the day I brought him home after having him converted to full-auto. It was Aug '87, had my bud John w/me. I sez to John-"Hear these thing make wicked lawnmowers. Wanna try & see ?!?" He sez, "Go ahead", so I put a 32 round clip in, pull the trigger & CLICK-I gotta re-cock it. I do that, & Berrrrrrrrrrrp!-One pile of bull weeds mowed down, sir...-Plus a good thirty bucks gone in about 6 seconds. But, Jeez-Oh, Pete, That was FUN !! Gave John a clip & he wasted the few poor bull-weeds that had somehow managed to survive Big Bad Bwana Sandy. We went thru about 10 clips that sat afternoon, so long ago, laughing like 2 little schoolgirls, blasting away at the trees & beer bottles & cans you always find on backroads round here. We shot the Shyte outta this one tree, I came back to that spot in the winter, it was sickly looking, next year, it falled down...Spent a BUNCH of money on ammo that day-Haven't done that much since- but we sure had a Whale of a good time. Women are typically scared of the Uzi, until I coax 'em a little-Then, they see that no, it DON'T bite, yes it IS kinda noisy, & YES, it IS a Lot of fun. Then, I often have trouble getting them to give it back. Its really incredibly safe-You would have to set out to purposely shoot someone, the way its set up. I can't easily explain it, but the Uzi is one of the most favorite &coveted weapons around today And has been since Uziel Gal designed it in the late '60s-early '50s. They almost always will go "Bang !", are pretty accurate, &can be taken apart/re-assembled in low light/darkness situations. They don't kick, the average person can hold one w/o it wanting to shoot holes in the sky too bad, & it will fit under an average sized man's arm. Or in a modified briefcase that you can carry into a bank full of Ay-Rabs, & straighten things out in a jiffy. I DIDN'T get a silencer w/mine, the guy who sold it to me told me not to waste my money on a silencer for it, they didn't really work all that well. He DID have a silenced Ruger 10/22 that I think was also Rawk 'n' Roll, but by then, I had a bad case of Financial Indigestion... BTW, I gave about $1500 for the conversion, that included the bolt, a couple extractors-Which wear out FAST in an Uzi, the $200 tax you gotta pay Uncle Sam to have a machine gun, & maybe another $50 or so to the cop who finger printed me. The whole process took several months, I talked to the ladies at the NFA branch of the ATF-National Firearms Act, they were set up in 1934 when Congress made machine guns illegal, or sorta. They tightened things up in '86, now the only way, really, to get a machine gun is to convince one of the 100K or so current owners to sell you one. After, of course, you have gotten all your ducks in a row, paperwork filled out, etc. I think I could get $12-15K for mine now, IF I wanted to sell it, which I DON'T. But, if any of youse byrds ever drop by here, & wanna go Snap Some Caps, feel free. Just bring plenty of dough, for ammo, & give me a few days notice...(Grin)
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Since I'm from the USA's original Boston , Boston Massachusetts , and for years we had an electrical generating plant named "Boston Edison" , I'm curious what this "Boston-Edison" you refer to is ? Is it a neighborhood ? A town ? A nickname for an area ?
It's a neighborhood in Detroit bounded by Edison and Boston streets just off Woodward. It was built by the wealthy industrialists of the late 19th and early 20th century like Ford, Briggs, Couzens, Fisher, Kresge (K-Mart).

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Lots of common places with my family. My mom was the secretary to the chief engine/chassis engineer at Packard.

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I ought to print this.. people always make fun of me and accuse me of being xenophobic for locking the doors and putting the windows up whenever I venture into a "sketchy" area.
I have three cars that the doors lock automatically when the car is put in drive. I generally have the windows shut, as I always use the air conditioner or heater. That's no matter where go.
Right now, I live in" God's country" where the crime rate is in the negative numbers.
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Never shot down a tree, but did mow down a patch of bull-weeds w/Maj. Uzi the day I brought him home after having him converted to full-auto. It was Aug '87, had my bud John w/me. I sez to John-"Hear these thing make wicked lawnmowers. Wanna try & see ?!?" He sez, "Go ahead", so I put a 32 round clip in, pull the trigger & CLICK-I gotta re-cock it. I do that, & Berrrrrrrrrrrp!-One pile of bull weeds mowed down, sir...-Plus a good thirty bucks gone in about 6 seconds. But, Jeez-Oh, Pete, That was FUN !! Gave John a clip & he wasted the few poor bull-weeds that had somehow managed to survive Big Bad Bwana Sandy. We went thru about 10 clips that sat afternoon, so long ago, laughing like 2 little schoolgirls, blasting away at the trees & beer bottles & cans you always find on backroads round here. We shot the Shyte outta this one tree, I came back to that spot in the winter, it was sickly looking, next year, it falled down...Spent a BUNCH of money on ammo that day-Haven't done that much since- but we sure had a Whale of a good time. Women are typically scared of the Uzi, until I coax 'em a little-Then, they see that no, it DON'T bite, yes it IS kinda noisy, & YES, it IS a Lot of fun. Then, I often have trouble getting them to give it back. Its really incredibly safe-You would have to set out to purposely shoot someone, the way its set up. I can't easily explain it, but the Uzi is one of the most favorite &coveted weapons around today And has been since Uziel Gal designed it in the late '60s-early '50s. They almost always will go "Bang !", are pretty accurate, &can be taken apart/re-assembled in low light/darkness situations. They don't kick, the average person can hold one w/o it wanting to shoot holes in the sky too bad, & it will fit under an average sized man's arm. Or in a modified briefcase that you can carry into a bank full of Ay-Rabs, & straighten things out in a jiffy. I DIDN'T get a silencer w/mine, the guy who sold it to me told me not to waste my money on a silencer for it, they didn't really work all that well. He DID have a silenced Ruger 10/22 that I think was also Rawk 'n' Roll, but by then, I had a bad case of Financial Indigestion... BTW, I gave about $1500 for the conversion, that included the bolt, a couple extractors-Which wear out FAST in an Uzi, the $200 tax you gotta pay Uncle Sam to have a machine gun, & maybe another $50 or so to the cop who finger printed me. The whole process took several months, I talked to the ladies at the NFA branch of the ATF-National Firearms Act, they were set up in 1934 when Congress made machine guns illegal, or sorta. They tightened things up in '86, now the only way, really, to get a machine gun is to convince one of the 100K or so current owners to sell you one. After, of course, you have gotten all your ducks in a row, paperwork filled out, etc. I think I could get $12-15K for mine now, IF I wanted to sell it, which I DON'T. But, if any of youse byrds ever drop by here, & wanna go Snap Some Caps, feel free. Just bring plenty of dough, for ammo, & give me a few days notice...(Grin)
An uzi probably wouldn't do very well at taking down trees anyway, a job like that is better suited to a Dillon Minigun.

Man, if ammo cost that much back then, I shudder to think of what it is today. Furthermore, 32 bucks US would convert to about 42 up here, it's as crazy as cross-border shipping costs. On the flip-flop, I could at least end up being the only left-handed Canadian civilian to ever fire one. I doubt that would be an advantage as it is in baseball though.

I almost forgot to ask, can legal owners of machine guns carry them around as well?

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