Westinghouse 22" rectangular find - caught in Audiokarma limbo!

[moto19]

I just accidentally found a thread using Google with posts today where a new member has or had a Westinghouse with the 22EP22 rectangular crt. I can only access it through Google's cache of the page, a search on either Audiokarma or Videokarma for 22EP22 doesn't find it either. Here's the cached version:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...5Idiv1hoBHGslQ

It's the 6th post down by jr_tech http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/member.php?u=71340

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/att...9&d=1252448393

He's apparently posted a picture of it (link above), but it's not accessible, nor is the link to the thread itself
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...zBcPwV-Z4egRiQ.

I just get the error message below, and my regular AK/VK password doesn't work.

Your administrator has required a password to access this forum. Please enter this password now.
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More strangeness, the beginning of this thread can be found on Videokarma, but it cuts off before his post:
http://videokarma.org/showthread.php...%2C+moon+fans!

Anyhow, I'm sure there are some here (myself included), that see this as the Holy Grail of early color TV. Other than a few ads and articles, I've never seen one of these in the flesh.

Hopefully the administrators of AK/VK can free this up and give the light of day to one of the most exciting finds here in a long time.

Jim

[jr_tech]

That was a bummer, my first TV related posts on Audiokarma were wiped out in the transition to Videokarma.

Here it is again, I will try to get more pictures in the next day or so, I am just getting back into the hobby, and my "TV room" is still piled high with boxes that I need to clear out.

I just took another picture, which includes a Motorola with a 21" round tube, so the difference is quite visible.

jr

[zenithfan1]

I'm in love.........

[Tony V]

Finally the infamous Westinghouse...man! Its nicer than i thought it was going to be. Can we see pictures of the inside? You might want to contact the Early Television Museum so they can at least document this set for their records. This one is beyond rare!
-Tony

[zenithfan1]

Is that set operational?? I'd love to see it in action, or better yet, in person!

[jpdylon]

oh my...

[David Roper]

I too would love a screen shot. I caution anybody against over optimism about its performance though. Charles (KX-250) has posted to the effect that the one he owned wasn't an easy set to watch. From what I understand you can't get the convergence quite right no matter what you do. Aside from that it's a series-strung set with a hot chassis--as in 120V worth of hot, the chassis is connected directly the AC line.

None of that is to say it isn't about the coolest thing to turn up here all year! I might be pleasantly surprised by it's performance; I know I'd love to see it working as much as anybody.

[Charlie]

JR TECH: OMG! You also have a 21CT2 in BLONDE! Holy Smokes! John Folsom and I each have one in the mahogany finish, and neither one of ours look near as good as your blonde set! Does the 21CT2 work? Can you also put up some photos of the Moto?

[ohohyodafarted]

OMG! That Westy is THE RAREST OF THE RARE

I am aware of only one other example of this rare model.

IMHO this set ranks as more valuable than the rarest of preware sets, because to the best of my knowledge, that rare color crt was never used in any other set.

That set is truely the most collectable of all color tv's

PLease show us photos of other sets in your collection.

I hope you have it insured for a lot of bucks!

[akent36]

No offense, but that is a pretty plain set. Any of us could easily walk by one at a flea market or house sale and not realize what it was. At least now I know what to look for; this is the first picture of one I've ever seen. I thought CBS-Hytron built the CRT, but it was Westinghouse-made?

[jr_tech]

Thanks for the comments! Wow !

I got a few more pictures this afternoon...Right now NONE of my sets can be assumed to be in working condition, as I have been away from the hobby for several years, so no screenshots yet!

As you can see from the shot of the corner of the tube, it is not impressively rectangular, but it ain't round either!

According to Peter A. Keller "The Cathode-Ray Tube Technology, History, and Applications":

"The first commercially available rectangular color tube was the 22-inch, all-glass 22EP22 (fig 6.22) developed by Westinghouse Electric Company in their Elmira, New York, plant (1956) A 24-hour-long pump cycle combined with a high-temperature bake (400 degrees) resulted in a very good vacuum and long life. The 22EP22 was used in a television receiver manufactured by Westinghouse, but economics doomed it after only a year of limited production."

As I understand it, when the switch was made to a commercial 21" round tube, the 22" sets were sold off cheap to Westinghouse employees (100-200$) with the understanding that replacement crts would not be available! This one got hauled to Oregon, when the Westinghouse engineer changed jobs... I got it when he moved again in the mid 80s. Free!

jr

[Phil Nelson]

Interesting that they put the controls on top, even though the chassis is on the bottom.

Don't fret about not having it working yet. Sounds like there may be plenty of armchair quarterbacks willing to kibitz & offer advice whenever you find time to work on it

Phil Nelson

[freakaftr8]

Oh my! Very cool... You want to sell it? J/K I never knew there was even a rectangular color CRT before the roundie!

[Eric H]

Thank you for the pictures, I've wanted to see one of these for ages, talk about a Holy Grail of Color TV Collecting!

The tube doesn't appear to be radically different from the 21" roundies other than the screen which looks like Westinghouse kind of just squished into a semi rectangle.

Is the Gun the same as the 21 inch and do you know if yours is good?
At least there's a fighting chance with a glass tube.

And yes, you could easily walk right by it and assume it was a B&W set!
There doesn't appear to be anything like a "Color" logo or a Tri Color flag to mark it.

[zenithfan1]

Thanks for the pics! It looks like there are some newer yellow tubular caps in there. Have you repaired or ever seen this one work? Sorry for all the questions but I've never actually seen one of these on the inside before. Very unique even though it isn't flashy. I like that, some go too far, like they do today with "HD" this and "HD" that on every logo and mentioned every two seconds by news reporters. Being the first and only rectangular tube at the time, it's interesting that they didn't make a bigger deal of it.