Do "roundie" color sets make a better picture than later sets?

[lnx64]

Call me crazy, but I like using Disneys Bolt. The simulated backdrops, vibrant but balanced colors. Real good.

[etype2]

Folks, post your best roundie screenshots. I will in kind, try to post comparable screenshots from my calibrated Sharp Quatron 70 inch LCD. If you are unbiased, it could be interesting :-)

[Eric H]

Originally Posted by etype2

Folks, post your best roundie screenshots. I will in kind, try to post comparable screenshots from my calibrated Sharp Quatron 70 inch LCD. If you are unbiased, it could be interesting :-)

That's a bit unfair comparing to HD, I think the OP meant later CRT sets?

[etype2]

Originally Posted by Eric H

That's a bit unfair comparing to HD, I think the OP meant later CRT sets?

Okay. That's fine, don't want to create controversey. The tread creator wanted to know why folks liked roundies and went on to say that he didn't think flat panels were that great compared to roundies or that is the impression I got.

I like the latest technology in flat panels and I also appreciate the nostalgia of the roundies. IMHO, the best quality color television that exists today, is produced by 4K OLED flat panel television.

It is possible to demonstrate HD to a certain extent via a digital converter box on a roundie with a screenshot. A roundie then, is displaying a digital HD signal, limited by its technology. A flat panel can better display an HD image. If one says that a flat panel is not great in comparison to a roundie, I question that.

[rca2000]

like I said....there is just somethinhg "different" about roundies--at least Zenith roundies. I can't put my finger on it.....but I N OW I am NOT alone in feeling this way.

[Electronic M]

Originally Posted by etype2

It is possible to demonstrate HD to a certain extent via a digital converter box on a roundie with a screenshot. A roundie then, is displaying a digital HD signal, limited by its technology. A flat panel can better display an HD image. If one says that a flat panel is not great in comparison to a roundie, I question that.

Unless you want to neglect resolution, the only fair comparison of an NTSC set and a HD set is feeding both NTSC a resolution signal.

Ultimately horizontal scanlines and signal bandwidth are nearly as concrete a limit on resolution in the analog domain as pixel count is in the digital domain, and unless we start modifying our sets beyond factory specs (at least that is possible and somewhat more practical for a CRT display) those limits are fixed quantities.

[kvflyer]

I think the movie, "Finding Nemo" would be a great candidate for a vintage TV set. For sure, it would get our sons and grandsons glued to the screen .

But that is just my 2¢ and for sure, there will be those who disagree!

[etype2]

[QUOTE=Electronic M;3131250]Unless you want to neglect resolution, the only fair comparison of an NTSC set and a HD set is feeding both NTSC a resolution signal."

This could be done by taking a screenshot of a standard definition signal still broadcasting on some channels on a flat panel set.

The question posed was "So this may be interesting. Do they actually make a better picture in any kind of way than later sets, or is it all nostalgia? Maybe simply the love and interest in vintage tube type electronics as a lost science as is a bit of the case with me as well. Waddaya think?
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So if you ask to take the HD resolution advantage away from the flat panel in comparison testing screenshots, that would be unfair.

[Jon A.]

I wouldn't turn one down. Besides, I think I got the roundie adapter with my Sencore CR70 (socket 8? It's a big one).

[etype2]

"So this may be interesting. Do they actually make a better picture in any kind of way than later sets, or is it all nostalgia? Maybe simply the love and interest in vintage tube type electronics as a lost science as is a bit of the case with me as well. Waddaya think?
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That was the last part of his question. IMHO, in terms of ultimate picture quality, flat panels are superior to roundies. Yes, LCD flat panels had problems, but most of those problems have been eliminated. With my calibrated Sharp Quatron which has 25% more pixels than a regular LCD, I can't see the pixels unless I put my eyes on top of the screen. I see no scan lines. I get a 16x9 screen format which means I can see 100% of the image content with pixel by pixel image mapping. I get HD and now 4K resolution, not to mention the theater like experience from a 70 inch widescreen. I plan on going larger with the next set. For me, those advantages out weigh the nostalgia of the roundie, but I still like the roundies for the memories of my first color experiences in the 50's and my first color set in 1966.

[Fairlane500skyliner]

Originally Posted by etype2

"So this may be interesting. Do they actually make a better picture in any kind of way than later sets, or is it all nostalgia? Maybe simply the love and interest in vintage tube type electronics as a lost science as is a bit of the case with me as well. Waddaya think?
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That was the last part of his question. IMHO, in terms of ultimate picture quality, flat panels are superior to roundies. Yes, LCD flat panels had problems, but most of those problems have been eliminated. With my calibrated Sharp Quatron which has 25% more pixels than a regular LCD, I can't see the pixels unless I put my eyes on top of the screen. I see no scan lines. I get a 16x9 screen format which means I can see 100% of the image content with pixel by pixel image mapping. I get HD and now 4K resolution, not to mention the theater like experience from a 70 inch widescreen. I plan on going larger with the next set. For me, those advantages out weigh the nostalgia of the roundie, but I still like the roundies for the memories of my first color experiences in the 50's and my first color set in 1966.

I don't understand all the hype about HD, Ultra HD etc. In computer monitors where I'm positioned close to the device and need to read small text, yes. In smartphones where I need to be able to view content clearly on a tiny screen, yes. On televisions where I'm sitting metres away, not really. I've always thought that if you have a problem with the resolution of your television, you're probably sitting too close.

Even with glasses, I can't see any difference between a SD television and a "Super Mega Ultra HD++" television from a good viewing distance, certainly not enough of a difference to make me dump my reliable old 80's Samsung and run out to buy one. The only problems I've ever had were trying to read sports scores on a tiny 14" portable, which has since taken place in the attic.

Just my two cents.

[ChrisW6ATV]

Originally Posted by Fairlane500skyliner

I've always thought that if you have a problem with the resolution of your television, you're probably sitting too close.

The whole point of higher resolutions in newer displays IS to sit closer. Of course, it is all personal preferences. To me, the ideal screen size is where you have to move your eyes to see the whole screen, where the screen takes up the majority of your field of vision. The width of the screen should be nearly the same as the distance from the screen to your eyes, or at least 75% of that distance, for a good movie-type experience. A casual, "the TV set is on in the background of regular life"-type experience may be OK with a smaller screen, or one that is further away, I imagine.

[dtvmcdonald]

I found out why my CT-100 was generating blue water and costumes on LOTR
when my big Sony was generating bluish green. The Sony is simply wrong.

I tried watching numerous OTA TV channels broadcasting movies and
low-key scenes, especially from police dramas. They showed the same effect
at the Warm 2 setting I was using on the Sony to get a low color temperature.
Night scenes outdoors are, by convention on TV, blue, not green. They showed
up green, all of them. Changing the TV to "Neutral" made them blue. It appears
that on my TV calibration is per color temp setting and I only calibrated "neutral".

[Electronic M]

Touchy ain't we?

[Jon A.]

Even though I've never seen a roundie in person, I know I'd rather pay for one of those than a flat panel. Another advantage of roundies is that they're not constantly increasing in size and resolution, so there will be no psychological need to swipe the plastic every few months to replace them.