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Thanks all, I'll try to demagnetize the relay.
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Sticking relays were kinda common. Also a good spot for cold joints.
You can double check it by measuring the DC where the relay coil connects to the relay driver transistor. Just follow the trace to find it. When on relay coil will be source, usually 12 VDC on one pin & very low on the other. When off both will be the same. Relay driver transistor will be when on C = very low VDC B = .7 > VDC E = 0 VDC When off C - source, usually 12 VDC B = 0 VDC E = 0 VDC Last the diode across the coil everyone wants to know about. Without the diode when you turn off the set the coil field collapses & the relay will chatter as it re energizes itself. The diode will short it out & prevent chatter. 73 Zeno LFOD ! |
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It happened again. The set goes ‘click’ and the menu stops working then when I press the power button again it goes ‘clack’ and comes back as if the set has just turned on. For the time being, can I turn off the set by pulling the plug after the first click?
Can turning the set off like this damage anything? From what I understand, everything except the tube turns off with the first ‘click,’ as seen in the video, so turning off the set like this is ok? https://youtu.be/ke62Pw5Leck Last edited by Outland; 03-27-2018 at 06:52 PM. |
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I was also wondering why there is still a click sound if the relay is broken? The sound turns off also.
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Most sets if the relay sticks when you turn off most of the
micro is turned off & is only waiting for another ON command. Therefor no channels, OSD etc. Other possibility is the relay is only a degauss relay & ON/OFF is done another way. Usually by turning ON/OFF the horz osc. Best test is a new relay. Any with the same coil voltage from almost any TV will work. You may have to extend terminals with wire. Some sets are even drilled to fit 3 different styles...... 73 Zeno LFOD ! |
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Here's the power supply schematic. Looks like there's only one relay, part #TSE1864 which is no longer available. So the replacement relay only needs to match coil voltage? Looks like the relay is also controlled by IC001 in the event of overvoltage. |
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The replacement is TSEH8007 which is carried in some places. Next step is to change out the relay.
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Sounds good.
Its a nice simple PS to work on. T001 / D001 are the STBY a.k.a always on for the micro, relay & remote receiver ( source 2-3-4 & 5 ). Of note is D022 puts a flyback derived voltage on it & takes over after start up. 73 Zeno LFOD ! |
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Aside from that mechanical mount specs can matter...Though usually can be worked around and are less significant than coil and contact specs.
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I picked up a very similar set (CT-20G11U) for free the other day, and will take the relay from that one if this one starts misbehaving again.
I noticed that according to encompass parts, the model I picked up and the TV in question (CT-20S2S) share the same CRT. The CRT in mine is getting tired and has a little CC burn-in (for proper black level brightness has to be boosted to 25% above factory), while in the model I picked up calibration is good at factory on the same tube. In fact, the tube in the new one is in excellent condition. Does this mean I can swap the tube from the new one into mine? What would such an operation entail? |
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If the yoke is the same super easy. 4 bolts, 4 connectors &
maybe a few wire ties. In my prime I could do it & have the back on in <15 mn. Thats if none of the tools are hiding ! If you you need to swap the yoke you have to do the complete CRT set-up. First one takes a while especially on in line jugs. 73 Zeno LFOD ! |
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In my case, the yokes appear to be identical. I look forward to swapping them because the CRT in mine is certainly starting to get tired (though still outputs a very acceptable picture, Panasonic surely made excellent quality).
The one I picked up for free appears to have been dropped because there is some broken plastic on the top and the coaxial connector is partially broken off. Perhaps for this reason, the TV wasn't used much because the picture looks brand new. |
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Before I swap the relays, I think they should be identical even though they have different part numbers. Here's the power supply circuit from the donor TV.
Apologies for the huge images. Are they the same as the relay from the circuit in the target? |
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