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Old 01-23-2015, 08:20 PM
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Very Nice
Is the iconoscope still usable ?
I thought I read they all lost
vacuum years ago.
Ed
Here's one that is very much usable http://youtu.be/Bs5l39WsnKo.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:32 PM
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"Ordinary" PMTs, of which the 931 and similar ones like the 1P28
and even the ones with the photocathode on the front glass,
are not permanently damaged by room light, and the 931 and 1P28
won't be by even straight sunlight. That's turned off of course.
Far red multialkali ones might be by the sun, but I've never seen it happen,
and I've used hundreds of these things.

However!! They can "charge up" and take hours, or for the red ones
even a week or two, to fully recover their original low light
dark current performance. Just let them sit in the dark for an hour
before using if you're fussy.
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Old 01-24-2015, 06:42 AM
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Here's the "official" answer: Has anyone ever had a window break in their car? No matter how much you vacuum or clean you almost always find a glass shard that mystically appears! RCA was always big on this prospect and most plumbicons would come shipped with a gimbal to keep the tube UPRIGHT and NOT FACE DOWN for fear that GLASS OR METAL particles (not dust) that may have lodged in the unit could fall down and hit the TARGET. (NO PUN INTENDED) These tubes were all 100% hand made and no matter how hard you clean the assemblies, debris can be present. Iconoscopes usually were never a victim of this unless they were broken or dropped in some way and also were too rugged to be bothered by this phenomenon. Most all image orthicons were labeled to not store or ship face down.
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Re: the 931A being sensitive to fluorescent room light.
The early B&K Analyst flying spot scanner CRT produces lots of blue light and a good amount of ultraviolet as well. The 931A is the photomultiplier tube used in these old B&Ks
because it is most sensitive to blue light.
The B&K was running full tilt to produce the B&W TV test pattern image and even after many years the test signal is still quite contrasty and visually noise free.
Just trying to reconcile the "damage from room light" and the use of the 931A in the B&K Analyst that continues to work well even now.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:32 AM
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Re: the 931A being sensitive to fluorescent room light.
The early B&K Analyst flying spot scanner CRT produces lots of blue light and a good amount of ultraviolet as well. The 931A is the photomultiplier tube used in these old B&Ks
because it is most sensitive to blue light.
The B&K was running full tilt to produce the B&W TV test pattern image and even after many years the test signal is still quite contrasty and visually noise free.
Just trying to reconcile the "damage from room light" and the use of the 931A in the B&K Analyst that continues to work well even now.
The optics were quite different - the video player used the blue/UV phosphor too, but had small lenses to focus the raster on an area of microfilm less than 3 mm x 4 mm, so the 931A may have been running at higher gain. Don't really know.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:58 AM
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However!! They can "charge up" and take hours, or for the red ones
even a week or two, to fully recover their original low light
dark current performance. Just let them sit in the dark for an hour
before using if you're fussy.
This may be what we were seeing. Still it's curious that the two manufacturers were different.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:56 AM
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Very nice display, those tubes look "off the assembly line" brand new! Reading through the replies asking whether the Iconoscope is still any good, I personally think if there's no whiteness around the getters then it's still under vacuum and would likely be good for use, my RCA 1846 Iconoscope tube I recently got working in my homemade camera is outputting a picture. I was advised with vintage tubes that have been doormat for decades to fire up the tube heater at 3V for 2 hours and then 5V for 1 hour to rejuvinate them and so I did that with my 1846 and it's working! Those not aware of my homemade Iconoscope camera here is the link to my thread on it http://videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=263849 .
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