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It appears to me the RCA Engineers discovered that there was insufficient DC restoration in the CTC5 luma path. In the CTC7 they made minor modifications to increase the DC coupling on the 0.1uF DC block.
The CTC5 thru CTC11 video amplifiers are similar. CTC5 and CTC7 are almost identical. My first experiment will be to replicate the CTC7 design in the CTC5. It will entail removing two capacitors and changing only two resistors. Note below I have included three attachments below: the first is the original CTC5 design, the second is the CTC7 and the third the modifications I plan to make to the CTC5. Note that the brightness control provides in each case a percentage of DC coupling bypassing the 0.1uF capacitor. The CTC5 only has a lower DC coupling percentage and the plan is to increase it. In the CTC5, I will simply remove the two 0.01uF capacitors which appear to be unnecessary decoupling and reduce R407 from 180K to 82K and R409 from 680K to 270K. This will reduce the effective resistance across the 0.1uF coupling capacitor to deliver the black level reference straight from the video detector (through the first stage cathode follower). I may lift R182 4700 (underlined) to see if it makes any appreciable difference to the DC coupling. Before and after the modification I will take some photos of the vertical blanking bar with test video with a high contrast ratio (which would normally crush the blacks) compared against a black scene to see the effective change in displayed luminance of the blanking bar. I will post the photos here so you too can be the judge. Note the brightness control bottom leg in both CTC5 and CTC7 receives its negatve potential tapped from the negative grid leak action from the Horizontal output tube grid. The circuits are essentially identical and since apart from the change in resistor values between CTC5 and CTC7 which was carried thru to CTC12 and beyond, I hope this will do the trick! Last edited by Penthode; 11-03-2020 at 04:57 PM. |
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Note that there was a service bulletin from RCA suggesting rewiring the CTC-5 contrast control ala the CT7 also. I rewired mine and unfortunately got it backwards, so max contrast is CCW, but it's too much hassle to fix unless there's some other reason to pull the chassis.
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Perhaps if there is sufficient improvement with the DC coupling it may justify your pulling the chassis again? |
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No need to be sorry, I laughed at myself when I did it.
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Pulled the chassis tonight. Plugged in my extension cables and powered it up. A billow of smoke rose.
Hmmm. nothing appeared wrong apart from a 1k 1W resistor on the tuner went to cinders very quickly. could find no short. Tested C9 the 0.01uF ceramic decoupling capacitor. Tested fine with an ohmmeter. Replaced the resistor powered up and carefully watched. The short appeared again. Replaced C9 and all was okay. The little cretin C9 will short when voltage is applied but tests fine with an ohmmeter. |
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Performed my first DC Restoration test. I haven't modified the video amplifier yet. I adjusted the vertical hold to roll the picture to use as reference the vertical sync bar. The percentage of DC restoration is inversely proportional to changes in the brightness of the bar. This in addition to studying the blacks in the picture. Eg: no change in the brightness level of of the sync bar = 100% DC restored.
Below are two photos: First photo is a 10 step greyscale. This is the high contrast ratio image. Notice the blacks are crushed and the vertical sync bar is black. Second photo is a black background with convergence dots. Note the elevated brightness of the black and the grey sync bar. This suggests that the DC Restoration is virtually non existent in the Y path. Curious if you see the same with your CTC5. Tomorrow evening I shall endeavour to make the modification to compare results. Last edited by Penthode; 11-03-2020 at 11:17 PM. |
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I made the modifications indicated. That means changing the two resistors, removing the 2 x 0.01uF ceramic capacitor and the 4700 ohm resistor. (The ceramic capacitor and 4700 ohm resistor are located underneath the circuit board).
There is a noticeable improvement in the DC restoration. |
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I want to add that I attempting to "calibrate" my photos. I used as the reference luma step video from a Sencore VA62 and set contrast and brightness to match the convergence dots on black video. The convergence dot video was obtained by simply switching to it as a source on VA62 without touching the brightness. Note how the convergence dots video black level was higher before modification because very little DC level was permitted through. The after modification photo shows that the black level is held sown as it should.
Thinking about this through the day, the CTC5 was unique as it was really in many ways, the precursor of the the design of all the remaining color roundies to follow. Certainly the video ampliefier was essentiall unchanged in basic concept fro CTC5 through CTC12: cathode follower driving the delay line which inturn fed the penthode video out. The most obvious changes from CTC5 to CTC7 onward was both the contrast control and the brightness control. The reduction of the two "bridging" resistors. The 0.1uF coupling capacitor is the sole DC block from video detector to CRT cathode. Following the CTC7 design, the resistors were reduced in value to make the total briging resistance less influenced by the 250kohm brightness control. The brightness control function is to add a negative potential derived from the horizontal drive. I watched various video sources today with varying contrast ratios and I did find viewing more satisfactory. Whilst the DC restoration is not 100%, it appears a better compromise and certainly no longer suffers from the regular crushing to black. I believe RCA engineers at the time must have recognized the flaw and make the revision to the next series. One caveat: the 21AXP22 even when healthy does not yield a bright picture. No DC restoration benefits weak/dim CRTs when a bright highlight is to be reproduced. the lack of the DC component allows the blacks to be crushed before the whites in the display "bloom". So if the modifcation is made when using a dim CRT, you may find the picture blooming on some scenes. |
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I may try this on my CTC5 specials. I've already adopted the CTC7 adjustible HV reg circuit.
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I spent the last few days working on the CTC5. The CRT is the original 21AXP22A with a date code of 56-30 ( 30th week of 1956). The emission on the three guns is good but the red gunntakes about a minute longer than the blue-greento come up.
The change made to the video amplifier to improve black DC level maintenance appears worthwhile. I ended up removing the 4700 ohm load and the ceramic 0.01uF capacitors as they appeared to do nothing. I followed the RCA supplement procedure for greyscale. The CTC5 does not have The convenient setup switch. But the process from the manual works well. I will summarize it below. For the Super chassis (without background control). This assumes the recommended contrast control modification has been done. 1. Set the three screen controls fully counter clockwise and the green and blue background controls backed off about 30% from full clockwise. 2. Unplug the tuner IF connector to provide a no video raster. 3. Set the brightness control so the the red gun grid bias is -70v. 4. Advance first the red screen control until a red raster becomes just barely visable. 5. Advance the green and blue screen controls so that the raster is dark grey/ black. 6. Advance the brightness control until the raster is bright without blooming. The touch up the blue and green background controls until the raster is white. 7. Reduce the brightness to the point the raster is about to disappear and touch up the blue green screen controls only for dark grey/ black. 8. Advance the brightness and touch up the blue green screen controls for white. 9. Re insert the IF link connector and reduce the color control to check the black and white video. You may wish to lightly adjust the green blue background controls for white highlights. The deluxe chassis has a red background control. It's initial set up is as follows: 1. Set the brightness control to minimum. 2. Set the red background control for red gun grid bias of -90v. 3. Continue with the Super chassis instructions Step 1 above. After some effort, the CTC5 is looking pretty good. The HV is 21.5kV and holding steady. (I earlier inserted a solid state HV rectifier which suffers less voltage drop and eliminates the filament load on the high voltage transformer. Here are,a couple of snapshots tonight. Last edited by Penthode; 11-08-2020 at 08:52 PM. |
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