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Old 03-02-2017, 12:07 AM
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Jon...more on the use of Umatic in the day on air. Stations ran to it like dogs to a steak. Cheaper than color 16mm film. The problem was on air with a deck that was just above VHS quality running through a TBC of the day. The H scan timing was suspect at best and you would broadcast news stories with black timing stripe errors on either the left or right or both depending on the manufacturer. JVC was junk for air. That resulted in a FCC pink ticket fining you for broadcasting "non program" material. A little black gap was not part of the program.
So that's why I don't see nearly as many JVC broadcast decks on eBay than Sony. Mine's just a consumer-grade deck. I think it's neat though, and I prefer their appearance over that of other consumer decks. A few people asked me what it is on my way home with it. It comes apart unlike any other VCR I've had; figuring out how to take it apart took a few minutes. I can see just about everything, no leaking caps spotted yet. I just took a photo of it as it sits now.

A U-Matic copying service, interesting! Maybe I should offer such a service locally when my machine is up and running, just as a lark. It would be interesting to see if I get any bites. If so, I would finally have a use for the record function on my Panasonic DMR-E20.
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Old 03-02-2017, 01:51 AM
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@ Jon A : you shodda have had pick-up a trolley for carrying that thing.
Man, I don't think I could have had carry that thing in my hands...
In Romania is extremly hard to find U-Matic cassettes. And rubber wheels for U-Matic machines... I think impossible. But they wheren't spread around here. In Bucharest only the state owned television and 1 or 2 private stations had such machines (remember that private television cammed only in the '90's, after the fall of the communism).
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:42 AM
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Indeed, but I was blindsided by the weight and the distance I needed to carry it. I finally realized, no wonder that street on Google Maps was unmarked, it's actually a path. I spent about 20 minutes walking up and down the main road trying to find the street, and perhaps another 10 on the wrong street before continuing up the path. In this case it was a good thing this deck isn't one with a tuner and timer.

I guess it was just sheer determination. Stuff like that isn't seen often around here.

The idler tires aren't impossible to find. They'll cross to other VCRs and tape systems. Here's the data I found on my melted tire:

OD = 18.03 mm.
ID = 8.94 mm.
THK = 4.83 mm.

OD = 0.710".
ID = 0.352".
THK = 0.190".

Replaces PRB part number: ST.707.

Used in JVC models: CP-5000U/CP-5500U/CP-5200U/CP-6000/
CR-6000U/CR-6060U/CR-6100U/CR-6300U.

Used in Bell & Howell Tape Recorder model: 456A.*

*Turns out the Bell & Howell 456A is actually an 8mm/Super 8 film projector.

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Old 03-02-2017, 09:54 AM
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But there where more machines in U.S.A. then in Romania. Heck, I can't find U-Matic cassettes for sale
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Old 03-02-2017, 01:31 PM
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3/4 was not only cheaper than 16mm, it was faster/instant, too. No more running back to the darkroom to process, then edit the film. Push rewind, push play. Plus they had portable recorders that you could carry around (because they included handles). Initial record times were 20/30 minutes. Real editing took a little longer, and was not inherently non-linear like film is, but it was still fast, and therefore a huge competitive advantage for the early-adopter news operation.

And yeah, 950 is a good one. BVU-800s use an external TBC.

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Old 03-02-2017, 03:14 PM
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The format that killed the phrase "film @ 11".
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Old 03-02-2017, 03:19 PM
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The format that killed the phrase "film @ 11".
... and brought us "This just in..."

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Old 03-04-2017, 07:13 AM
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Let see, I have a BVU-950sp, a JVC 800cr (JVC's only front loader I think), and a Sony 9800. They're more or less working, although I think the JVC needs a recap. Overall it was an ok format. Certainly ended up with a lot of stuff on it. The tapes can get a bit sticky after 40 years or so. Otherwise pretty good shelf life.

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Old 03-23-2017, 05:13 PM
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:52 PM
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Sony VO-5850 from the mid-80's. Industrial grade machine with frame editing. It's little brother the 5800 did not have the editor. Very visible head switch at the bottom of the frame. I forget if they could input advanced sync from a TBC of the day to make it useable for air. The 9800/9850 series replaced this one and added the SP designation. Still not real broadcast. BVU series was meant for broadcast.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:20 PM
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And if they where not intended for broadcast, then for what they where used?
I don't know how to use the editig. Anyway, I've bought it as a player.
Does the equyvalent 46-48 U.S. Dollars was a good price for such machine (in Romania the minimal wage (sallary) is about 285 U.S. Dollars)
Mid '80's? That's old. But still in working condition.
Umatic S.P. offfered a better image then low-band and high band?
Oh, the sound recording/playback is very good!
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:33 PM
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I don't have a 5850 any more, but I don't think it would do machine-to-machine editing using its own controller. I think it required an external editor, either an RM-440 or the lower-numbered one. RM-440s would work on serial RS422 machines as well as the parallel control machines.

The non-broadcast decks were used for educational/school use, desktop screening of 3/4" footage for logging, transcribing, off-line video edits using Visible Time Code (VTC) burn-ins, chase tapes for audio-for-video production, etc. There was also a later, smaller 7000 series, too.

BVU machines had internal edit controllers, and could be controlled by either external RM-440 type edit controllers, or higher-end CMX-style editors.

The internal editor was pretty capable, and would allow you to assemble or insert edit using the controller in the machine, as well as allow you to do 2-machine cuts-only assemble or insert edits with another 422-controlled machine as the source. Even would control 1", probably D2, BetaSP, and DigiBeta also, as the basic machine control protocol was pretty standard.

Watch the movie Broadcast News for in-use examples. Pretty funny movie, too. "I say it here, and it comes out there."

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Old 03-23-2017, 07:53 PM
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Chip is right. The RM-440 was needed in between...and I still have mine. You could do "flying" edits on the 5850 from the faceplate controls to that deck only. Say a graphic card to be inserted over a scene saving the audio. See the editing buttons on the faceplate. They were toggle on-toggle off. Real machine to machine editing needed the 440.

And do you know what CMX stands for?

Telecolor...if you got it for USD $48 and it is working...you did well and have fun learning this system. PM me so I can send you a NOS 60min tape to play with...if it is still good. I always wanted to send something to Romania and you are good to have around here.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:03 AM
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I don't know what CMX stands for.
I hope will get a manual for this machine.
I will p.m. you.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:23 AM
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By the way, 3/4" rewind is slow. s. l... o..... w......

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