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Old 12-16-2013, 05:56 PM
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15 inch Rectangular CRT that used a gun like a 21FJ

Has anyone else ever seen such an animal. Many, many years ago I worked on a Sears table model color that was a 15 inch? rectangular set that had a 70 degree CRT that used the large gun assembly similar to a roundie 21FJ/21FBP22. I believe it was Japanese made and remember thinking it was quite unique. Of course that was at least 25-30 years ago. Repaired it and sent it on it's way and have never seen one like it since. Wonder what model it was, who made it, and are there any still around today. I'd love to get a hold of one of those.
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:13 PM
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One mentioned here:
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:34 PM
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I had a chance to buy one recently but the lady never responded back. Typical Craigslist flakes
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Old 12-16-2013, 09:55 PM
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Has anyone else ever seen such an animal. Many, many years ago I worked on a Sears table model color that was a 15 inch? rectangular set that had a 70 degree CRT that used the large gun assembly similar to a roundie 21FJ/21FBP22. I believe it was Japanese made . . . . Wonder what model it was, who made it, and are there any still around today. I'd love to get a hold of one of those.
I owned one! Bought it new in 1965 to watch the space shots in color. It was a 16 inch and the first low priced set with a rectangular CRT and I hated the round color sets.

http://earlytelevision.org/21_inch_color.html#sears

It is the top two pictures in the 1960 year window.

All hand wired, except for the setup board. This was the most trouble free tube TV that I have ever owned! It was in daily use through the late 1970s and was a backup set through the late 1990s, but when I tested it in about 2002, the sync had grown unstable and I stoopidly thought money would be better invested in a new set and hauled it to the junk yard.

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Old 12-16-2013, 10:21 PM
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As I recall, those were built by Toshiba and sold by Sears. I had one in the late 1960's and it made a great picture. If memory serves me, the chassis was fairly similar to an RCA CTC-10.
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Old 12-16-2013, 11:06 PM
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The jug was reported to be a 400KB22... 400 converts to 15.75 inches. Would that have been the external diagonal dimension of the faceplate panel, or that of the actual picture size?... or perhaps some other dimension?

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Old 12-17-2013, 02:56 AM
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At that time, it should have been the diagonal size of the glass exterior.
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Old 12-17-2013, 08:24 AM
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I owned one! Bought it new in 1965 to watch the space shots in color. It was a 16 inch and the first low priced set with a rectangular CRT and I hated the round color sets.

http://earlytelevision.org/21_inch_color.html#sears

It is the top two pictures in the 1960 year window.
WOW, there's something I never expected to hear from an older member.

Now there's an early tube color set I wouldn't mind having one of.
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Old 12-17-2013, 08:39 AM
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As I recall, those were built by Toshiba and sold by Sears. I had one in the late 1960's and it made a great picture. If memory serves me, the chassis was fairly similar to an RCA CTC-10.
I understand the CRT was also used in some Conrac monitors.
There was a rebuilder in Milwaukee, that used to re-gun those CRT's. They were getting those CRT's shipped in from several surrounding states, as they seemed to be one of the few rebuilders the did them.
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Old 12-17-2013, 11:29 AM
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As I recall, those were built by Toshiba and sold by Sears. I had one in the late 1960's and it made a great picture. If memory serves me, the chassis was fairly similar to an RCA CTC-10.
Yes. I've had a couple of Toshibas with that tube; I think it's a 400EDB22. I've also seen one Sharp portable with that tube in it, IIRC.

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Bought it new in 1965 . . . . I hated the round color sets.
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WOW, there's something I never expected to hear from an older member.
I do not and I don't know of any other photographer/cameraman who likes to see their pictures cropped!

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Before junking the set in 2002, I went to my former parts supplier in Dayton to purchase the sync tube and the horiz osc tube along with capacitors to recap that section and was told that they could not supply the two tubes because they were no longer being made.

I knew nothing of this hobby at the time nor of the non-mainstream parts sources.

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Old 12-17-2013, 01:01 PM
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I do not and I don't know of any other photographer/cameraman who likes to see their pictures cropped!

For the record:
Before junking the set in 2002, I went to my former parts supplier in Dayton to purchase the sync tube and the horiz osc tube along with capacitors to recap that section and was told that they could not supply the two tubes because they were no longer being made.

I knew nothing of this hobby at the time nor of the non-mainstream parts sources.

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You should've tried Sears parts. They might still have some in stock.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:16 PM
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I do not and I don't know of any other photographer/cameraman who likes to see their pictures cropped!...
James
It's been discussed here before - the cropping of the round tubes hid a lot of bad corner effects produced by the early TK-41 cameras. By the mid 60's, improved precision IMOs and yokes were producing much better results as evidenced in the surviving tapes from the New York World's Fair RCA pavilion. But earlier stuff like the Bell Telephone Hour can be pretty ugly.

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Old 12-17-2013, 02:54 PM
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jr_tech hit the nail on the head. That's the exact model that I remember working on. Wish I could find one of those today in or around the Omaha, NE area. Would love to restore one to working condition. I doubt that there are many around anymore though.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:16 PM
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Yes. I've had a couple of Toshibas with that tube; I think it's a 400EDB22. I've also seen one Sharp portable with that tube in it, IIRC.

Charles
Hey Charles,

I recall buying two of those sets from you, table model version. They were stacked one atop the another in your garage in West L.A. This was years & years ago. I kept them for a while and don't remember how I finally disposed of them.

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